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Santa Clara County Bans All Gatherings of 1000+ People After Coronavirus Death
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I agree.
The flu in the US this flu season has killed over 20K people yet the media never mentions it.
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but not sensationalize it.
When they start leading off the news discussing two Covid-19 deaths in FL, it's for ratings.
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"The ban takes effect at 12:00 a.m. Pacific Time on March 11 and for now, will last for three weeks."
...and that's the problem. It's an uncertain time limit in the hope it will get better, when it clearly won't
The only reason to time-limit the ban is because they are uncertain and can control the extension "better" when it happens.
There is no point in getting false hopes, going to a meeting and then everyone gets sick. lol
...and that's the problem. It's an uncertain time limit in the hope it will get better, when it clearly won't
The only reason to time-limit the ban is because they are uncertain and can control the extension "better" when it happens.
There is no point in getting false hopes, going to a meeting and then everyone gets sick. lol
You've gone so far on the other side of anti panic that you're totally wrong. Coronavirus is far more potent than flu and has a 20% mortality rate in the over 70s. If you're happy for anyone over 70 in your area to only have an 80% chance of living if they get then sure, pretend it's just the same as flu. But you can at least wash your hands more regularly and try to prevent the spread of it.
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The flu only has a 0.1% mortality rate that's why - Corona is heading for 3% and 20% in the over 70s, it's far more dangerous than seasonal flu it just hasn't spread as far YET.
I get the feeling there must be a lot of internal debate at Apple among the leadership regarding canceling, as many suspect this virus will die down considerably by late Spring long before June - otherwise they would have already announced cancellation.
This ^^^.
Seems a lot of people here believe they're now medical doctors or epidemiologists because they have access to google, are technically inclined and qualified because they know how to compute percentages, and can pretend to speak authoritatively on the matter of infectious diseases.
Remember that the doctor who first tried to report the disease, who later died, was 34. So your use of “only” is clumsy and incorrect.
And you managed to follow up your first uniformed statement with one even worse. You can’t catch HIV by standing a couple of feet from someone but never touching. Second, in the early days when it wasn’t clear how contagious the disease was, there was actually a lot of “crying” at the thought of being in casual contact with homosexuals. It’s a fear that seems ridiculous now... but if mosquitoes had been able to spread the disease, the 1980s would have seen a pogrom that makes the current quarantines seem like a joke.
I've seen a lot of this, people comparing COVID-19 to the seasonal flu. But those comparisons typically overlook the important difference which makes COVID-19 something which we should be concerned about to an even greater degree than we are typically concerned about the seasonal flu. (We should also be, and many are, pretty concerned about the seasonal flu itself.)
That difference is the disparate degrees to which humans have acquired immunity to SARS-CoV-2 and various influenza viruses.
The reader's digest version is this. The typical seasonal flu is, to some degree, self-containing. Plus we're able to offer flu shots which help to contain it further. Many humans have had various versions of the seasonal flu and thus have acquired immunity to those versions - i.e., their bodies recognize the antigens of the various influenza viruses and can produce the antibodies needed to fight them. Those influenza viruses mutate, but the antigenic changes typically only amount to what is referred to as drift. The antigens change only a little and are thus often still recognized by the bodies of people who have acquired immunity to that strain of influenza virus.
Over time the mutations can accumulate such that the changes to the antigens of the influenza viruses make them unrecognized even to the bodies of people who have immunity to that strain. It depends on a number of factors, to include how long it's been since someone had that version of the flu and how long it's been since they had a flu vaccine and what viruses were in that vaccine.
But the big picture point is, a lot of humans have some degree of immunity to some of the strains of influenza viruses. This effectively reduces the R0 of those viruses and slows or constrains their spread. Acquired immunity throws up roadblocks to its retransmission. So we see outbreaks of the seasonal flu, but we typically don't see it spread to the majority of the population of the planet. Because of previous infections and vaccines it isn't able to. There's also the effects of warmer weather which effectively arrests its spread every year. We don't know whether that will happen with SARS-CoV-2.
Sometimes an influenza virus mutates dramatically, by means I won't get lost in here, such that it experiences what is referred to as antigenic shift rather than antigenic drift. When that happens, the acquired immunity that people have isn't really helpful. The antigens have changed so much that people's bodies can't recognize them and produce the antibodies needed to fight them. When this happens the seasonal flu becomes something different, something that's able to spread further and - if it's virulent enough - kill many millions of people. The Spanish Flu may have killed a hundred million people in the years following WWI, at a time when there were only 2 billion people on the planet.
COVID-19 is more like the Spanish Flu than the typical seasonal flu. Very few humans have acquired immunity to SARS-CoV-2. So, unlike the influenza strains which cause the typical seasonal flu, it could spread like wildfire to most all humans on the planet. It may also, as it appears now, cause mortality at a higher rate than the typical seasonal flu.
We aren't concerned about COVID-19 and taking drastic actions in response to it because we know for certain that it will spread around the world and cause tens of millions of deaths. Rather, we should be concerned about it because there's a real chance that it could do those things. Maybe it won't, but unlike the typical seasonal flu it could. If it were to spread to half the population of the planet (which is quite plausible), and even if its mortality rate only ends up being 1%, that would mean 40 million deaths caused by it.
On one hand we could take the position... Let's not make these significant changes in the way we go about our daily lives because this virus is already on the loose and we aren't going to be able to contain it anyway. So let's just let it run its course and get on with our lives. But there are a number of problems with that tack. For one, who wants to be among the 10 or 100 million who die? Or among the 100 million or billion who are close to those who die? And what happens to health care systems? We just don't have the infrastructure to deal with the kinds of numbers of sick people which the virus could cause. How many hosptial beds are there in the U.S., about a million?
Or we could take the position... We should significantly alter the way we go about our daily lives for a while so that we can slow its spread and buy ourselves time to develop a vaccine. That way we might save a large portion of the planet from getting it and save 5 or 20 or 100 million lives.
At any rate, COVID-19 is different from the seasonal flu in important ways - i.e., the lack of widespread acquired immunity, the potentially higher mortality rate, the unknowns to include whether summer will suppress its spread. Those differences make it reasonable to be concerned about COVID-19 to a greater degree than, and take actions in response to it which go above and beyond, that which we are and do for the seasonal flu.
Should ban all gatherings forever! I mean the seasonal flu has killed more than 12K Americans since October of last year but I don’t see the crazed attention on that. Coronarumors.com.
All FUD aside (fear, uncertainty and doubt), Santa Clara County simply cannot do this. "The right of the people peaceably to assemble" is a Constitutionally guaranteed right.
I'm not debating whether or not it is a good idea in light of a virus like this. I'm simply saying that legally they cannot issue such a declaration.
I'm not debating whether or not it is a good idea in light of a virus like this. I'm simply saying that legally they cannot issue such a declaration.
Yes they can. Just like they can require permits for marches, can require permits for parties at parks, etc. The Supreme Court has upheld the rights of states to quarantine people, and such quarantine power was part of the state’s inherent police power as early as the late 1600s.
So many things aren't inherently a competition. Too bad so many people try to make it a competition.
It only takes 2 people to spread the virus, so what's the difference between a gathering with less than 1000 people and another one with more than 1000 people?
It's better to avoid all gatherings and put everyone under quarantine if necessary, until it's determined who has it and who doesn't. After enough time has passed, the risk of spreading it could disappear.
It's better to avoid all gatherings and put everyone under quarantine if necessary, until it's determined who has it and who doesn't. After enough time has passed, the risk of spreading it could disappear.
so what if there is a ban, it is not permanent. chill watch Netflix
younger segments of the population might see a 1% fatality rate. Older may see 10-30%.
so the common flu takes out 1% of the population and Coronavirus does another 3% that makes 4% dead. in total could be someone you know. maybe your self. So there. Have you ever seen someone on a hospital respirator you know? Maybe your self?
younger segments of the population might see a 1% fatality rate. Older may see 10-30%.
so the common flu takes out 1% of the population and Coronavirus does another 3% that makes 4% dead. in total could be someone you know. maybe your self. So there. Have you ever seen someone on a hospital respirator you know? Maybe your self?
Basic math. Google the networking effect.
bigger gatherings exponentially increase transmission
"It only kills old or ill people. What's the big deal?"
The big deal is that your grand parents aren't 30 and you probably know someone with health issues, they just don't mention it.
I'm actually stunned for f**king dim people are and need this explained. It isn't about the perfectly healthy. It's about us healthy people being responsible so we don't accidentally kill those less fortunate. Does it really need further explanation?
The big deal is that your grand parents aren't 30 and you probably know someone with health issues, they just don't mention it.
I'm actually stunned for f**king dim people are and need this explained. It isn't about the perfectly healthy. It's about us healthy people being responsible so we don't accidentally kill those less fortunate. Does it really need further explanation?
Plus it does actually kill healthy people. Just less frequently.