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A lot more than a 1000 gather at the Apple campus.

Not any more, they don't. All the Bay Area tech companies have told their employees to Work from Home for the foreseeable future.

HIV is worse and you don’t see anyone crying about it.

If you could give HIV to everyone near you when you sneeze, it'd be a different matter.
 
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It is weird how WHO/CDC/Gates/etc. had a pandemic simulation called Event 201 in November 2019 and then just a few weeks later the a real pandemic breaks out following almost the exact same script/predictions.
 
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It is weird how WHO/CDC/Gates/etc. had a pandemic simulation called Event 201 in November 2019 and then just a few weeks later the a real pandemic breaks out following almost the exact same script/predictions.
That’s not that weird. He’s had many events and presentations and such about pandemics for years. The chance that one would happen within a few months of one of those is not low, given how often he does them.
 
Well every single expert agrees it's about 10x worse than flu - but Baymowe on Macrumors says "more likely the mortality rate will be much lower" apropos of nothing. We have 100,000+ cases worldwide now, they almost very accurately know what's going to happen.

By the way it's not MY analysis - it's every expert in the worlds analysis.
He’s worried about stock prices.
 
Until Covid19 reaches flu deaths, it’s factually not as bad.

Despite fewer infections than flu, Covid is causing Italy's hospital system to run out of resources.

Your response to this can only be one of two things.

1. Further denial. "That's not true".
2. Acknowledging that Covid is worse. Even if you don't believe death rates are worse. Italy is evidence that hospitaztions and ICU frequency is much worse, resulting in more people dying because of simply running out of resources. And if that is true, it's worthy of containment.

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Despite fewer infections than flu, Covid is causing Italy's hospital system to run out of resources.

Your response to this can only be one of two things.

1. Further denial. "That's not true".
2. Acknowledging that Covid is worse. Even if you don't believe death rates are worse. Italy is evidence that hospitaztions and ICU frequency is much worse, resulting in more people dying because of simply running out of resources. And if that is true, it's worthy of containment.

arn
The bolded I agree with and what I think the real problem is. The rate of infections and the apparent ease of which this thing spreads.
 
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Despite fewer infections than flu, Covid is causing Italy's hospital system to run out of resources.

Your response to this can only be one of two things.

1. Further denial. "That's not true".
2. Acknowledging that Covid is worse. Even if you don't believe death rates are worse. Italy is evidence that hospitaztions and ICU frequency is much worse, resulting in more people dying because of simply running out of resources. And if that is true, it's worthy of containment.

arn
I’m talking about the virus itself. Overwhelming the hospitals is definitely a problem, no arguing that. I agree.

I’m directly responding to people saying the actual virus is dramatically different than the flu, which has far more deaths, infections, etc.
 
I’m directly responding to people saying the actual virus is dramatically different than the flu, which has far more deaths, infections, etc.

... but far more hospitalizations and ICU hospitalizations ...

How is that not "worse"?
 
I’m talking about the virus itself. Overwhelming the hospitals is definitely a problem, no arguing that. I agree.

I’m directly responding to people saying the actual virus is dramatically different than the flu, which has far more deaths, infections, etc.

The SARS-CoV-2 is dramatically different than the various strains of influenza viruses in at least one way, that way being one of the most important ways that a virus can be different: Its antigens have different characteristics than the antigens of the various influenza viruses.

Humans don‘t have any meaningful degree of immunity to this virus. Our bodies don’t recognize its antigens. With the various strains of influenza viruses, even with ongoing antigenic drift, humans have a considerable amount of acquired immunity. A lot of our bodies recognize the antigens of those influenza viruses and already know how to make the antibodies needed to fight them. That means that the typical seasonal flu can only spread so fast and so far.

That isn’t true when it comes to SARS-CoV-2. There isn’t really a limit to how fast and far it can spread, other than the steps we take to isolate ourselves from each other and mitigate the risk of transmission when we do interact (or interact with surfaces which others have interacted with).

COVID-19 hasn’t yet spread to as many people as the typical seasonal flu does because (1) it’s new (in humans, at least) and (2) we’re taking extraordinary measures to slow its spread.
 
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The SARS-CoV-2 is dramatically different than the various strains of influenza viruses in at least one way, that way being one of the most important ways that a virus can be different: Its antigens have different characteristics than the antigens of the various influenza viruses.

Humans don‘t have any meaningful degree of immunity to this virus. Our bodies don’t recognize its antigens. With the various strains of influenza viruses, even with ongoing antigenic drift, humans have a considerable amount of acquired immunity. A lot of our bodies recognize the antigens of those influenza viruses and already know how to make the antibodies needed to fight them. That means that the typical seasonal flu can only spread so fast and so far.

That isn’t true when it comes to SARS-CoV-2. There isn’t really a limit to how fast and far it can spread, other than the steps we take to isolate ourselves from each other and mitigate the risk of transmission when we do interact (or interact with surfaces which others have interacted with).

COVID-19 hasn’t yet spread to as many people as the typical seasonal flu does because (1) it’s new (in humans, at least) and (2) we’re taking extraordinary measures to slow its spread.
That’s ultimately fair and I hope it works. I do agree with the experts that mortality rates will likely decrease as we get more positive diagnoses...that’s where all this started.

The fact we don’t recognize the virus like the flu does not automatically mean it’s worse, will have a greater mortality rate, or infect more people. I mean, let’s be serious. Everyone talking about “built up immunity” and vaccines for the flu seem to conveniently ignore the hard numbers, which are staggeringly large. It’s still a massive problem that we don’t shut down commerce to address. Not saying we shouldn’t take reasonable measures now, but flu virus is already out of control and it’s a part of daily life now. This will likely become that, sadly.
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... but far more hospitalizations and ICU hospitalizations ...

How is that not "worse"?
I don’t think with 500,000 deaths that we know that for sure. And yes, a virus responsible for 500,000 annual deaths is still worse, to me.
 
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