Santa Clara County Bans All Gatherings of 1000+ People After Coronavirus Death

[iGeneo]

This is what the media does in 2020, this has been completely overblown by the media and people are in a panic now buying toilet paper and bottled water. Just relax and listen to the CDC. I’m not sure I understand the run on bottled water, is the water supply at risk now?

 

[Mw0103]

She’s right...coronavirus isn’t the flu...it’s not nearly as bad.*

*In raw numbers

Yet.

That post might not age well. Let’s re-visit this opinion in 2021.

Let’s also remember that just because one might not get seriously I’ll doesn’t mean one can’t spread it to others in the community who aren’t as healthy.

Also—this currently isn’t like the flu in that we don’t have tamiflu etc to—you know—treat it. Or vaccines to prevent/lessen the effects of it. So slowing the spread so the medical community can get as much time to prepare as possible is about all we can do.

Or we can wait to do anything until the raw number of deaths exceeds the flu. That might be a good plan too. (This last paragraph is sarcasm).

 

[Baymowe335]

*In raw numbers

Yet.

That post might not age well. Let’s re-visit this opinion in 2021.

Let’s also remember that just because one might not get seriously I’ll doesn’t mean one can’t spread it to others in the community who aren’t as healthy.

Also—this currently isn’t like the flu in that we don’t have tamiflu etc to—you know—treat it. Or vaccines to prevent/lessen the effects of it. So slowing the spread so the medical community can get as much time to prepare as possible is about all we can do.

Or we can wait to do anything until the raw number of deaths exceeds the flu. That might be a good plan too. (This last paragraph is sarcasm).

It might age poorly, but even if it’s the flu and starts killing 500,000 people per year, we deal with that and life goes on. It’s got a long way to go to get there and the media coverage right now is far more damaging than the virus. Facts.
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*In raw numbers

Yet.

That post might not age well. Let’s re-visit this opinion in 2021.

Let’s also remember that just because one might not get seriously I’ll doesn’t mean one can’t spread it to others in the community who aren’t as healthy.

Also—this currently isn’t like the flu in that we don’t have tamiflu etc to—you know—treat it. Or vaccines to prevent/lessen the effects of it. So slowing the spread so the medical community can get as much time to prepare as possible is about all we can do.

Or we can wait to do anything until the raw number of deaths exceeds the flu. That might be a good plan too. (This last paragraph is sarcasm).

You also have to weigh the cost benefit. Closing down entire countries to try to contain something that has probably already broken out has diminishing returns. That ship may have sailed and we have to deal with reality.

Tamiflu doesn’t work very well, just FYI. If it did, 500,000 people wouldn’t die yearly. Same with the flu vaccine. Viruses evolve too quickly and have too many strains.

 

[Mw0103]

It might age poorly, but even if it’s the flu and starts killing 500,000 people per year, we deal with that and life goes on. It’s got a long way to go to get there and the media coverage right now is far more damaging than the virus. Facts.

Nope. Opinion.

We deal with the flu with vaccines and medications. Once such measures are developed for this virus, we can do that for this too. For now, slowing the spread is all we’ve got. And the only information we’ve got right now suggests this is conservatively 10x more deadly than the flu. Those are facts.

How exactly is “the media” more damaging? Because the stock markets are being affected? Are people dying because of the coverage? Seems like it would be more damaging to stick our heads in the sand or to engage in some sort of coverup. I’d hate to think I spread a deadly virus to people in my community because I didn’t know I could be exposed to said virus at an event or somewhere I was traveling.

Distrust of information (and vetting of said information) is healthy and necessary. Dismissal of information outright without any analysis is dangerous and far more damaging.

 

[arn]

Closing down entire countries to try to contain something that has probably already broken out has diminishing returns.

If only people had taken it more seriously. We should really tell more people to take it seriously.

arn

 

[Mw0103]

You also have to weigh the cost benefit. Closing down entire countries to try to contain something that has probably already broken out has diminishing returns. That ship may have sailed and we have to deal with reality.

Those darned dying people… getting in the way of making money and other people living their best lives. The nerve.

 

[tCdemon]

...and there goes Apple sending out 999 invites with no plus 1's.

 

[44267547]

This is what the media does in 2020, this has been completely overblown by the media and people are in a panic now buying toilet paper and bottled water. Just relax and listen to the CDC. I’m not sure I understand the run on bottled water, is the water supply at risk now?

Bottled water/toiletry items/cleaning supplies are all in stock in my area for the most part. But what I am seeing, is local advisories being put into place by (Gyms, public buildings such as the DMV/library’s, ect)

The reality is, consumers can use any resources they want in terms of ‘germ combatants’, but it comes down to proper measures with quality hygiene consciousness, which doesn’t shock me that a large majority of consumers have no idea how to self protect themself in terms of the most basic measures.

 

[Professor Rucy]

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Huh... he toned it down, as we all should...

 

[Mw0103]

The minimization of this by certain people is likely more to blame for the spread and panic. See Exhibit A:

Daughter returns from study abroad in Italy.
Becomes ill.
Tested for COVID-19.
Family, through ignorance or disregard, fails to self-quarantine all members of the household.
Father and younger daughter attend daddy-daughter dance.
Positive test results disclosed to family during dance.
Community potentially exposed. And outraged.

St. Louis coronavirus: Family breaks quarantine attending Villa father-daughter dance, prompting school closures

The family of the St. Louis County woman who tested positive for COVID-19 broke quarantine and attended a father-daughter school dance Saturday evening at Villa Duchesne, County Executive Sam Page

www.kmov.com

People don’t need more encouragement to act selfishly or ignorantly (which is exactly what “it’s just the flu” or “get on with your lives” or “it only kills the old or weak” or “this is an overreaction” does). They do that all on their own. We need a unified message that this is serious.

 

[arkmannj]

We have confirmed cases in the city I’m in, and I’ve got a 2 month premature (3 weeks old) who’s immuno-compromised (and let’s face it, 2 adults on very little sleep so we likely are slightly compromised)

I’m not a coronavirus panic induced person. But right now I’m every darn bug panic induced. We legit (as is Doctor told us to get some) need face masks, not for us but for anyone who might stop by so they don’t share. We’ve literally had to buy surgical scrubbers and scrub solution because that’s what is available to buy instead of hand sanitizer, etc.

Since getting supplies we need are hard to come by, the best I can hope is that people do treat illnesses seriously and avoid spreading it. I don’t want my kid back in the NICU because someone didn’t follow good hygiene and common sense.

I think Governments are cracking down because they feel they need to (not because they’re intentionally over reacting) Because people are kinda terrible at self managing. We’ve got a bug that’s only a few months old really, we think we know about it, but do we? I’m not interested in my daughter being part of the learning process so for now I’m good with reasonable precautions to try and halt further spread. Sadly, even if that means cancelling WWDC in person this year. People’s lives aren’t worth it, even if it’s “just the immune-Compromised” for something that can be held virtually.

 

[SeattleMoose]

1000? Didn't know the CV19 bug could count

 

[Akrapovic]

In this thread: People who think they're smarter than doctors and people who don't understand that even low percentage mortality rates are a massive f**king deal.

 

[eulslix]

She’s right...coronavirus isn’t the flu...it’s not nearly as bad.

Please stop spreading misinformation, read the official research data provided by the WHO and so on. The virus has an estimated lethality rate of roughly 2% and spreads aggressively. Nothing to be greatly worried about if contained properly, but definitely not less harmful then the flu, that's just being ignorant and irresponsible towards the elderly in our society.

 

[Kierkegaarden]

This is going to get much, much worse before it starts to get better.

People are going to get much, much dumber before they get smarter.
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I was going to make this comment. We had a pandemic in 2009 that people seem to forget, H1N1. Here in the US 12,000 people died, 265,000 were hospitalized, and 59 Million were infected. It was damn scary because it hit hard and was killing indiscriminately, including young people. Let’s hope this won’t be as bad as it was in 2009.

The CDC info I see has 18k dying in the US from H1N1, and between 151k and 575k deaths worldwide. We aren’t even close to this number and yet by the hysteria you would think we were.

 

[arn]

The CDC info I see has 18k dying in the US from H1N1, and between 151k and 575k deaths worldwide. We aren’t even close to this number and yet by the hysteria you would think we were.

Because it's not apples to apples. I don't see how this is hard to understand. No one is saying to irrationally freak out, but it makes sense to understand that circumstances are different.

H1N1 had a death rate of 0.01-0.08%

People are worried that Coronavirus has a death rate 25x to 200x higher. Maybe it's not quite that high but it seems higher. So that means if it infects the same number of people as H1N1 in the US alone that means 450,000 to 3,600,000 deaths.

the entire country of Italy is on quarantine because of this possibility (and that their health care resources are stretched as is). Is that irrational? Or is it a reasonable precaution to try to prevent a ton of deaths?

arn

 

[Spectrum]

I'm sure my opinion won't be popular....but I think we all need some perspective and recognise that there is only one certainty in life...

 

[mikethemartian]

A virus that only fatally affects the old and health compromised public is blow way out of proportion. HIV is worse and you don’t see anyone crying about it.

Were you alive in the 80s? There was a great deal of fear and hysteria surrounding AIDS back then before any treatments were developed.

 

[eulslix]

You also have to weigh the cost benefit. Closing down entire countries to try to contain something that has probably already broken out has diminishing returns. That ship may have sailed and we have to deal with reality.

It's not about avoiding a pandemic anymore, that ship has sailed. It's about slowing the spread, so that the respective health systems can deal with these challenges. In Europe, it pretty much brings each countries capacities to its limits, and that's why people take drastic measures. It's not necessarily about Corona even, its also about all the people that have other conditions which require treatment.

The US will soon have the same problem, just delayed, because they did the same mistake as we did... ignore it for too long

 

[mixel]

The talk of “people are overblowing this, it only affects the elderly, infirm and immune compromised.” - is terrible, to put it mildly.

There are a *lot* of us immune compromised people. To act like spreading currently incurable conditions is acceptable is diabolically selfish. Also old and infirm people are just as important as you or I. Acting like vulnerable groups are an acceptable price to pay to maintain business as usual is not a good look.

I’m on immunosuppressive medication and will be for my entire life. Acting like this is just like the flu, or saying things like “hiv is worse” just shows how wilfully ignorant people choose to be if something’s an inconvenience to them. I have yearly flu and pneumonia jabs to minimise chances of having to deal with those. We don’t even know if those will even be possible with this Coronavirus strain yet.

Comparing virus spreads and death tolls is nonsense, they’re cumulative, it’s not a freaking knock out tournament. Next winter we may be dealing with another bad flu strain + this + who knows what else. Containment And slowing down spread is important. Jeez.

Saying that, it’s not a reason to panic, but you should be way more worried by your authorities not doing enough than you should be bothered by them doing “too much.”

 

[Kierkegaarden]

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Because it's not apples to apples. I don't see how this is hard to understand. No one is saying to irrationally freak out, but it makes sense to understand that circumstances are different.

H1N1 had a death rate of 0.01-0.08%

People are worried that Coronavirus has a death rate 25x to 200x higher. Maybe it's not quite that high but it seems higher. So that means if it infects the same number of people as H1N1 in the US alone that means 450,000 to 3,600,000 deaths.

the entire country of Italy is on quarantine because of this possibility (and that their health care resources are stretched as is). Is that irrational? Or is it a reasonable precaution to try to prevent a ton of deaths?

arn

Quarantines can be perfectly rational, and in fact they were used on a mass scale to contain H1N1. I would assume the current quarantines are on a much larger scale to simply find out if it makes a difference.

Panic and hysteria, on the other hand, are completely irrational. It is akin to experiencing something bad in advance. Why put yourself through this? And if you are trying to spread panic and hysteria, you need to stop.

This is your quote:

“People are worried that Coronavirus has a death rate 25x to 200x higher. Maybe it's not quite that high but it seems higher. So that means if it infects the same number of people as H1N1 in the US alone that means 450,000 to 3,600,000 deaths.”

What people? Where do you get these numbers? It “seems” higher? You then go on to calculate a death total based on loose assumptions. Do you not think that by doing this you are causing some level of panic and hysteria in some?

Arn, I’m not saying that we should pretend this is a minor thing — I’m saying that the panic and hysteria has to stop. Fear can serve us — it can help us prepare and make smart decisions to lessen our chances of becoming a victim. But this needs to happen at a reasonable level. And we need leaders to help others through this — to calm their fears, and to offer help where we can. Our words matter — they can either inspire or destroy confidence in others during periods of uncertainty.

Do not confuse my confidence for apathy. I am changing my habits to better protect myself and others, but I am confident we will get through this just fine. In periods like this, it becomes clear what people put their trust in. So along with the tragedy, there will be an opportunity to learn more about ourselves and see room for improvement.

Be smart. Be calm. Be a good leader.

 

[GadgetBen]

Thoughts on the next Apple Event being streamed behind closed doors and fake applause?

 

[arn]

“People are worried that Coronavirus has a death rate 25x to 200x higher. Maybe it's not quite that high but it seems higher. So that means if it infects the same number of people as H1N1 in the US alone that means 450,000 to 3,600,000 deaths.”

What people? Where do you get these numbers? It “seems” higher? You then go on to calculate a death total based on loose assumptions. Do you not think that by doing this you are causing some level of panic and hysteria in some?

The World Health Organization says it's 3.4% death rate globally.

But I feel like you arguing the exact number is just de-railing the conversation. The number is thought to be higher than the flu. I gave a rough number (I used 2%) because arguing the exact % is silly. Hence, summarizing that health authorities believe it that knowledgeable people think it's "higher". If you don't believe "higher", then I don't think you are willing to listen to anything else I have to say. And we should just stop.

I'm not causing any panic or hysteria with it. The World Health Organization is reporting it.

Arn, I’m not saying that we should pretend this is a minor thing — I’m saying that the panic and hysteria has to stop.

I guess I disagree that there's panic/hysteria. I assume you think canceling conferences is panic/hysteria? How many people should die before cities/countries start taking those measures? Or what other measure? There's no crystal ball... it may burn out, or a ton of people might die. You just gotta make a reasonable plan with the data you have.

arn
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in rereading, you might have been genuinely asking how I arrived at that number

H1N1 death rate = 0.01-0.08%
Coronavirus death rate = assuming 2% (low compared to WHO figure)

2%/0.01% = 200
2%/0.08% = 25

25-200x

 

[recoil80]

I'm from Milan and I can tell you many people in Italy thought the virus wasn't that serious. School have been closed for weeks, and students instead of staying at home spent time together, like there were on vacation. Ski resorts were full of people, so were pubs and disco.
Many people tried to minimise, it is not going to kill me, you die only if you are old, etc.
Now the entire country is in a partial lockdown, you can still go to work but if the situation doesn't improve we'll face even worse restrictions. No more weddings, no more funerals. A friend of mine lost her father and wasn't even able to see him at the hospital, she said goodbye on the phone and now he is buried, that's it. Think about that, I'm sure everyone has a grandfather, an old uncle or a family member with some medical conditions. If you get the virus, they will.

The first known patient is finally starting to recover, after 2 weeks in hospital, and he is 38. The majority of death are in elderly people, but just yesterday a 18 old guy was taken to the hospital in serious conditions.
Hospitals are full of people, they opened a military one to civilians and they're going to use hotels to put people in quarantine.
The problem is you have corona virus, but you have other patients. There are going to be less car accidents as people stay at home, but strokes still happen, so you have the usual casualties plus the corona virus. Doctors and paramedics are working around the clock, some of them haven't seen their families since the beginning of the crisis, the government just hired hundreds of new nurses to face the crisis.
Experts called for restricting measures in February and people laughed at them, but they were right.
The economic loss will be huge for us, but the more we wait for a lockdown the worst will be.

Other EU countries and the USA can learn from our mistakes. Place be considerate, avoid crowded places, clean your hands and if you're sick don't leave home. Some people need to go to work, but who can do his job from home should be fully remote for a few weeks.

Sorry for the long post, but I read comments of people who haven't understood how serious the situation is and they reminded me of people in Italy a couple of weeks ago.

 

[Kabeyun]

A lot of people are complaining about “panic“ and “hysteria.” Have the definitions of these words changed while I was sleeping a couple weeks ago? Does anyone know a single instance of actual panic or hysteria by someone concerned about the spread of a novel virus? The news’ job it to inform, the health agencies’ jobs are to track & recommend, our job is to be aware and exercise precautions. All together, these are called “taking it seriously.” These things are being redefined as “panic” and “hysteria” by those who choose not to be concerned, perhaps to make themselves feel better. Like climate change denial, geocentrism, and the afterlife, it’s human nature to shield itself from the disturbing.

This is so stupid. And overblown.

The case fatality rate of the flu this season is about 0.05%. The case fatality rate of Covid-19 is about 3.2%. And it’s just getting started in the West.

WOW !

But surprised the threshold is 1K, & NOT MUCH, MUCH Lower !

Yes. 1000 is a silly, arbitrary number. People are transmitting it in small churches and social gatherings of <50