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Santa Clara County Bans All Gatherings of 1000+ People After Coronavirus Death
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I agree that it's who we have to protect.
I just don't understand why it was not an issue when 20K people (mostly older) have died of the flu this season.
Following the same protocols as the fight against Covid-19 for the flu would also save lives.
The news media never talks about the flu because it's not sensational enough.
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I have allergies and usually cough this time of year from post nasal drip.
Actually taxes you could just choose to go to prison. Or somehow live off the land somewhere.
*cough* no it’s not *cough*
Article (Amendment 1 - Freedom of expression and religion)
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Yes it is. I bolded the relevant text to make it easier for you.
Read post #60 for some perspective. And, every year around flu season, the news media does talk about the flu and the importance of getting vaccinated. There is no vaccination (yet) for covid19.
Also, as an aside, understand in the US alone around 650K people die from heart disease (mostly older) each year.
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Yep, and the Corona has varied (depending on source) from under 1% to as high as 4%. What it doesn't take in account is all the folks that ride it out, never report it, and just think its a flu or cold. The majority of the people that get it, don't need hospitalization and recover like any other flu. Regardless, I won't let it change my life and how I go about my day to day. I'm actually sick right now, but I won't let hysteria get over me and run to get tested for something that -currently- I would have a better chance of getting struck with lightning in Florida than contracting it. Not to say reasonable precautions shouldn't be made, but going down to your local Walmart or Costco and buying out the water and hand sanitizer is absurd.
Now go read the case law that interprets the First Amendment and get back to us. You can’t be a constitutional scholar without analyzing the case law. Just bolding the text of the amendment shows a fourth-grade understanding at best.
Analysis of the data from China shows that the "lots of people had it in china and nobody knew" thing is a myth.
Case law doesn't mean that the decision was proper.
I can read the constitution and understand its intent, especially when taken in context of the views of the founding fathers.
PS I was once an Aircraft mechanic, I read and interpreted more complex text of a different topic and now work in cyber security. I've very good at reading and interpreting.
You ABSOLUTELY can be a constitutional scholar [which I am not] without reading case law and your statement shows ignorance in that regard. But I am intelligent enough to comprehend the most important document our country has and recognize how it has been bastardized by political judges and ignorant people that say "let the professionals tell you what it means."
EDIT: If you read the list of amendments, only the 18th amendment restricted what the people could do, the rest restrict government. Of course the 18th amendment was repealed because it was stupid and nothing more than moral grandstanding by people trying to take rights away from others, thus controlling their lives.
Feel free to educate and read for yourself: https://constitutionus.com/
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And if you’re going to add in people who supposedly had it and recovered without knowing it, you also have to add in people who died and weren’t identified as having it (or who were mis-categorized as having died from the ordinary flu). It’s illogical to believe that one set of stats will go up but the other will not.
It only takes 1 person to spread the virus. The R0 factor is 2.x+ meaning one person spreads it to 2. That’s double. Not good.
That's not how it works.
Take a look at the 10th amendment, for example, which reserves to the states their traditional police powers, which included the power to quarantine and isolate, dating all the way back to at least the late 1600s. The Supreme Court determined that states can quarantine people in 1824 (Gibbons v. Ogden, 22 U.S. 9 Wheat. 11). They can even force vaccinations and take whatever other measures they deem necessary to prevent the spread of communicable diseases. Jacobsen v. Massachusetts 197 US 11, 24-27 (1905)
So the Supreme Court of the United States disagrees with your analysis-by-bolding.
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The law of the land, which must be followed by all courts, is whatever the Supreme Court says it is through its opinions. I don't know what you mean by "proper," but if the Supreme Court says something is constitutional, then, by definition, it is.
No you cannot.
Well, like it or not, that’s how the US legal system (which includes the constitution) works. I guess you’re entitled to believe that quarantines are unconstitutional, but if the system that’s in place to enforce those protections doesn’t agree with you, then your interpretation doesn’t get you much.
I’m pretty good at reading and interpreting too. But I wouldn’t trust myself to competently work on an airplane.
As an aside—taking the views of the founding fathers into consideration—I guess quarantines should be ok so long as they make an exception for political protest since that’s clearly what the right to peaceable assembly was addressing.
Read the 9th amendment.
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I think people have a moral responsibility to do the right thing and self quarantine. Nothing requires them to, but of course it doesn't mean that other citizens wouldn't react possibly violently to somebody intentionally spreading a deadly contagion.
The ninth amendment doesn't help you. The states already had the right to quarantine people before they formed the union, and nothing in the constitution abrogated that right. The Supreme Court has considered the issue multiple times and agrees that states can do this. Your armchair constitutional scholarship, which does not extend to actually reading supreme court opinions, is irrelevant.
If you read my post, I never claimed to be a scholar. You however attempt to be making the case that you are. What are you, a lawyer?
If you aren't a scholar, and you aren't informed about what the constitution actually means, then perhaps you shouldn't keep declaring that you are right and that Santa Clara can't do what it clearly can do.
The percentage of deaths from COVID-19 is significantly higher and we have no vaccine.
If you don't understand, then no offence - you aren't reading enough about it.
If you are alone, who can you spread it too? That's why I said it takes two people: 1 is infected, the other becomes infected.
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Even if you put it in paper, many may not understand, and just repeat what they hear from others without thinking.
They are sort of "Human Spam". Perhaps, if they get sick, may later understand it
Yes, but they are not seated next to each other like a typical theater or sports venue. Moreover, Apple has already asked its employees to work from home (provided they have a role that is conducive for it).
The County of Santa Clara's public health officer's mandate does not include companies, airports, and a handful of other situations.
The ban applies to sports events: Stanford, SJ State, Santa Clara University basketball (mens and womens), San Jose Sharks hockey (or anything else at SAP Center), anything at Avaya Stadium (MLS soccer), anything at Levi's Stadium (including concerts, monster truck rallies), anything at Shoreline Amphitheater, SJ Giants baseball (Single A), maybe Stanford baseball.
Additionally, many school districts are instituting their own guidelines and stopping larger functions. I believe one district has cancelled all dances (including the high school prom), field trips, etc.
There are likely other city sanctioned events (St. Patrick's Day parades, Arbor Day celebrations) that will be suspended.
San Jose Civic, SJ Center for Performing Arts and California Theater all seat more than 1000. The Steve Jobs Theater also seats 1000.
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Check back when we have infection numbers anything close to the flu and see if your extrapolated mortality rates hold up. More likely, the mortality rate is far lower than reported due to unreported mild cases and nearly 100% reporting rates on deaths from Covid19.
This is a huge error in your analysis and we simply have to wait and see, taking reasonable precautions along the way.
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If you think 500,000 deaths is not as serious because we have some ineffective vaccines and meds for flu, OK.
Until Covid19 reaches flu deaths, it’s factually not as bad.
The current overreaction stems from a misrepresentation of the facts and an extrapolation of small numbers. Containment might likely be impossible, so we have to take precautions without being unreasonable.
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I think people have taken it more than seriously...it’s very hard to execute, unfortunately. At some point, you have to go back to work and let people buy stuff.
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Well every single expert agrees it's about 10x worse than flu - but Baymowe on Macrumors says "more likely the mortality rate will be much lower" apropos of nothing. We have 100,000+ cases worldwide now, they almost very accurately know what's going to happen.
By the way it's not MY analysis - it's every expert in the worlds analysis.
I’m quoting an article in the New England Journal of Medicine by one of the foremost virologists in the world, Dr. Fauci.
Experts certainly don’t agree that when this ages, it will be 10X as bad as the flu.
But you know, keep watching CNN.
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