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Schiller to Demo Snow Leopard at Macworld?

XSlimmer?

Hey Guys,
I used XSlimmer to rip out a bunch of the PPC code from my Mac. It actually gave me a couple gigs back. Is this something similar to what Snow Leopard will be doing? Sorry... I'm more of a Mac user and Lover than a Mac Geek or Genius.

I'm looking forward to some new software than anything. I don't think I can afford anything in the hardware department. I'm getting married and it's cutting into my Mac budget!!!! ARGGHHHH!!!!

iWork '09 and iLife '09. Maybe a new Aperture at some point. Pages could do with a few Scrivener features. iCal needs some work; the alerts window is kinda ugly and 3rd party looking. iChat could use a little MSN in it... sorry.. in Canada. Everyone outside the US uses something other than AOL.

Finder could use a path bar that I can copy/paste. On Windows I can send someone the location of my file on a network (then they can paste somewhere). eg. "Hey.. you can find my file here: P://ProjectFolder/Graphics/PSD/Framework)... they can just paste that into their address bar and they're there.

Gonna miss Steve Jobs. I wanted to see a MacNote before he retires. I might never get the chance.
 
kaiwai said:
Why is it Apple's fault that third parties can't get their act together and properly support their hardware? you really are as bad as those who complain that their windows computer keeps crashing after installing a new driver. If the company who produces the driver can't produce a decent driver - then the abuse should be directed at that said company - not at the operating system vendor.

Maybe instead of wasting your time here - you started to complain to the hardware vendors for putting out shoddy drivers.
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I agree with your comment about third party drivers. It's no fault of either Apple or Microsoft when third party developers do not update drivers to work with the latest versions of either Mac OS X or Windows. In the case of both Leopard and Vista, many real problems occurred due to the lack of either drivers or, with drivers that were available, they were buggy.
 
MisterK said:
Hey Guys,
I used XSlimmer to rip out a bunch of the PPC code from my Mac. It actually gave me a couple gigs back. Is this something similar to what Snow Leopard will be doing? Sorry... I'm more of a Mac user and Lover than a Mac Geek or Genius.

I'm looking forward to some new software than anything. I don't think I can afford anything in the hardware department. I'm getting married and it's cutting into my Mac budget!!!! ARGGHHHH!!!!

iWork '09 and iLife '09. Maybe a new Aperture at some point. Pages could do with a few Scrivener features. iCal needs some work; the alerts window is kinda ugly and 3rd party looking. iChat could use a little MSN in it... sorry.. in Canada. Everyone outside the US uses something other than AOL.

Finder could use a path bar that I can copy/paste. On Windows I can send someone the location of my file on a network (then they can paste somewhere). eg. "Hey.. you can find my file here: P://ProjectFolder/Graphics/PSD/Framework)... they can just paste that into their address bar and they're there.

Gonna miss Steve Jobs. I wanted to see a MacNote before he retires. I might never get the chance.
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He's the only speaker you can watch for 3 hours and walk away feeling more energized and disappointed the speech is over.
 
funkyp56 said:
OpenCL and Grand Central better support every Intel Mac with a discrete video car or else I will be really really pissed!!!:mad:
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funkyp56 said:
That I would be ok with....but come on with all the different Apple models from late 07 and 08 to just not be able to use those things would really suck.
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Amdahl said:
When Snow Leopard ships, Tiger will lose security update support, according to Apple's own policy.
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Welcome to Apple's planned obsolescence model, dumping technologies long before there are actual technical reasons to do so.

maxp1 said:
Anyone notice how we're only up to 10.5.6 this time? Previously by the time a new version was ready to be released we'd be up to .10 or .11.

I wonder if there have been less updates because they weren't needed (less things to fix) or if Apple is being more cautious.
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Not really:
10.0.4
10.1.5
10.2.8
10.3.9
10.4.11

Tiger got a couple extra updates because iPhone development delayed Leopard for upwards of six months. I expect we'll see at least 10.5.8 before 10.6. And remember that at Leopard's unveiling, they said that in the future they wanted to reduce the time between major OS upgrades.
 
kaiwai said:
You call turning Mac OS X to 64bit a 'minor upgrade' - stop lying and bashing Apple simply to justify your cheapskate nature. If you don't like it - don't bloody buy it! dear god, what a whiner you are.
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Gee, I thought we paid for 64-bit when we bought 10.4. And then I thought we paid for it again when we bought 10.5. Now you're saying we're finally going to get it IF we pay for 10.6?

Well, gee, I sure don't want to sound ungrateful or cheap!
 
jmadlena said:
Apparently we are okay with that.

While I would like to see Apple keep older purchases up to date, at the same time, I wouldn't want Apple have to keep up with working on things from the past. I think Microsoft would be in a better position to innovate if they didn't have to keep supporting something that is 10 years old. It really takes manpower away from developing new features.
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There is a difference between 'working on the past,' such as keeping Classic OS 9 in your OS, and taking responsibility for the crap you make. Apple clearly has no problem obsoleting their APIs and 3rd party software. OK, fine. But, it is CRIMINAL that they appear to be getting away with something even worse; which is not even making a commitment to the current product. They will sell you a product today, and then abandon you 17 months later.

And Apple is in the business of getting people to upgrade, to buy new machines. So they are going to strike the right balance between supporting older stuff and getting rid of it. They are bound to upset some people.
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It used to be that Mac users were proud of how long their machines lasted, as a balance to the fact that they cost more. Now, anyone who tries to make a purchase last more than two years is considered a 'cheapskate' (not your words) and not worthy of a second thought.
 
k2spitfire88 said:
XP is to Vista what Tiger is to Leopard or as Leopard is to Snow Leopard. Your point is?
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No, XP is to Puma.

And just to make the point even harder, Windows 2000 still gets updates. It would be like OS 9 in these analogies. Now, what excuse have you got for Apple?
 
Tallest Skil said:
Uh... if this WASN'T going to happen, we could safely assume that Apple has completely given up on their computers...

I still say WWDC release, though. I'd rather they not rush the darn thing.
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The Mac is HALF of Apple's revenue - why would they give up on that? Chump change?
 
Reduced price for Snow Leopard?

Am I the only one who thinks Snow Leopard will be a lot cheaper than the usual 129USD? For fun, I'll say 69.00USD. Anyone?:):apple:
 
Amdahl said:
No, XP is to Puma.

And just to make the point even harder, Windows 2000 still gets updates. It would be like OS 9 in these analogies. Now, what excuse have you got for Apple?
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I guess it depends on how you look at it. If you want to say in terms of when it was released, I guess you are right. The way I look at it is XP was the last os released before Vista, so in my eyes, Tiger to Leopard. I guess it's all in the way you approach it. Anyways, since Apple makes most of their money through their hardware sales, it makes sense to me for them to release new OS's that require new hardware...annoying maybe, but it is good business on their part.
 
Tallest Skil said:
Have you forgotten that the only Nehalem chips out right now are desktop enthusiast chips?

The Nehalem Mac Pro won't even come out at MacWorld because its chips aren't out yet.
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The i7 chips (for desktops) shipped last month. Mac Pro will probably have them 1Q 2009. But who knows? Yeah - just dreaming to have that in a MBP. Drool.:p
 
8CoreWhore said:
The i7 chips (for desktops) shipped last month. Mac Pro will probably have them 1Q 2009. But who knows? Yeah - just dreaming to have that in a MBP. Drool.:p
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The Mac Pro uses server processors, not desktop processors. Intel is expected to announce the Core i7 Xeons in "early 2009"; if it's early enough, it's possible that the new Mac Pros could be announced (but almost certainly not shipping) at MacWorld, especially given Apple's good relationship with Intel, but don't count on it. It's just as likely that they won't be out until March.
 
support for tiger?

"If I was in that precise position, I would file a lawsuit against them in small claims court against them for failing to meet the 'general fitness' test for merchantability. At the time of sale, they provided security updates, and they did not disclose that they were going to yank them from you in 17 months when they had another product to sell you. And 17 months is not a reasonable time for them to provide updates, which is necessary to use the product for one of its primary purposes: accessing the Internet."

That's an interesting thought. Apple is making a big deal that their software is licensed, not sold. Is it was sold, then they would be off the hook about not providing updates. (First sale doctrine.) But since they license it, what are they required to supply for that license fee? Not much, according to the EULA.

This has ben a big issue for businesses. Say what you will about MS, they have a roadmap of what software is supported for how long. Apple has always refused to do that. And that has hurt them. At work we just recently retired the last of the Windows 2000 boxes. Vista is nowhere to be seen, so XP's support package is of great interest to the IS dept.
 
It's pretty bad, man. I actually had to suffer through Entourage today, since Seattle was snowed in. Some of the most basic things about business emailing, like pasting table data, indenting bullets, and setting calendar invites with conference room info, are either pretty frustrating, or just absent.

The whole office 2008 suite(which doesn't seem much different than office 2004) is not all that useful in a corporate setting, to me at least.

I should make you a time lapse movie of me trying to update an excel doc that has macros and filtered data :)

shervieux said:
What is your problem with Entourage. I have been using it for a couple of weeks. Not as slick as outlook, but it is functional.
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shawnce said:
Macintosh systems are used by professionals to author content like DVDs, etc. The same would be true for Blu-Ray (local burns are helpful for demo and validation). Blu-Ray is also a useful storage format. The primary hold up for Blu-Ray is licensing requirements and fees, followed by market penetration. The competition factor is much lower down on the list for Apple, it isn't the main reason we haven't seen Blu-Ray yet.
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verrrryyy greattt coooll.... but for the moment and in reality my mac doesn't want to read an stupid and simple dvd... i thinks i most to buy an dell computer beacause the dell computer was a big mega **** but he can read a ****ing DVD... you now ...
 
Kwill said:
  1. iPhone sales numbers
  2. Snow Leopard demo
  3. Various speed/capacity bumps
  4. New MBP with glossy screens
  5. iLife '09
    "One more thing..."
  6. Additional glossy ADC
All presented to mostly silent audience who is assured of "a lot more great products in the pipeline."
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The words "glossy ADC" make me sad. But now I now why we built the interior room with black paint and purchased the black face camouflage makeup. Oh how I adore my matte screens - (looks lovingly at 23" ADC on desk and doesn't see reflection).
 
Kwill said:
  1. iPhone sales numbers
  2. Snow Leopard demo
  3. Various speed/capacity bumps
  4. New MBP with glossy screens
  5. iLife '09
    "One more thing..."
  6. Additional glossy ADC
All presented to mostly silent audience who is assured of "a lot more great products in the pipeline."
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New MBP glossy screens? :confused:
 
KindredMAC said:
I hate to be a downer but isn't this really just going to be a side by side performance show of how much faster Snow Leopard is on an Intel Mac than Leopard is on the same machine? Kinda like "Ooooh look how much faster 3G is over EDGE!!!"?
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Even without new features, Apple could choose to highlight these differences by bringing some high profile developers (Adobe, Microsoft, etc.) to highlight what kinds of great things they have been able to do with the new technologies. Apple has done that in the past. Hey maybe a few game developers could show up too.

Just because there won't be a whole lot of new buttons for people to click in the UI doesn't mean they can't make it an exciting demonstration. I remember way back in the early days of OS X, Jobs gave a demo of some of the core technologies in OS X, and quite frankly, it was very exciting, more exciting than a presentation focusing on features. Seeing a demonstration of the raw power of some of the new under-the-hood tech in an OS is really a lot more interesting than it sounds.

And who knows? Maybe they're going to unveil a few secret features. I'm still convinced that we're going to see built-in support for running Windows without a reboot... someday. I think Apple knows that being Windows-friendly is the key to gaining new Mac users.
 
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