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I don't know what macs you've been buying, but they have almost always been function over form. Especially in the last 10+ years with OS X. As a user, you can keep it as simple as you want, or as a more advanced user, you open up the hood and work in the FreeBSD world. The macs in this timeframe have been accessible by the users, and that was a MAJOR reason macs have retained their value. But now does not care about customers maintaining their own machines. Customers are just bags if cash.

I started in the Apple ][+ days, and while I took a break in the early/mid 90s, I cMe back to a black macbook pros of the late 90s, and the G3 tower in 99(around there). So I am not a fly-by-night apple customer.

But since Ive has had more say, the push has been towards anti-consumer designs in favor of form and planned obsolescence.

So while I'll hang on, the extended family will most likely not, due to having to spend twice as much as planned for the typical new computer purchase(due to having to max out specs at time of purchase).

Just say no to Ive.

iMac? Colours, new forms, these were the drivers for growth not an operating system that was virtually unheard of!

Or the iPod, what created the sales? marketing and appearance, after all it was at its core an overpriced MP3 player!

Or the iPhone what set it apart? What does everyone spend time focusing on - design!

But I'm done, sometimes there is no bridge between one persons perception and another, if you think Apple is windows then there is a chasm here.
 
I've experienced RAM issues on my iPad mini that I use for work. I'd say that there are four to six apps that I use regularly throughout the day, two or three of which I may frequently go between, and it seems as if shifting to the third forces one (or both) of the earlier apps to reload. If I were at home enjoying myself I'd say that it was acceptable, but when I'm trying to get work done the seconds spent waiting on a reload feel excruciating.

So it's not that I feel that 1 GB is enough. My earlier statement about how I'd love 16 GB might have been a bit facetious (I really think that would be overkill), but I don't understand the calls for Apple to put everything to 2 GB. Go to 4 GB and then I'd probably be 100% content on the RAM front.

Yet I also recognize that people like you and me probably don't represent the average iPhone or iPad user. If Apple designed for people like us, my guess is that they would either have smaller profits or need to charge more, and they probably wouldn't be able to maintain a yearly release cycle. My work needs aren't fully met by the current hardware, but my home needs are almost entirely met. It'd be nice if Apple opened the floodgates and totally blew everyone away, but if this is what they have to do in order to keep advancing and developing, then I support that. It's not like their products are inferior to the competition - we can pick and choose small points here and there where they're subjectively behind, but by many metrics (benchmarks, satisfaction surveys, etc.) they are far ahead.


I suppose I missed most of the discussion about innovation, but for the record I'd agree that no matter the strict wording of the definition, whether something is innovative or not is subjective. I also tend to think that's why people's pessimism (which may have always existed, but which greatly magnified after Steve Jobs' death) clouds this perception.


I disagree with this statement, as it pertained to the valid complaint about user-serviceable parts. Have you ever opened up a PPC-era desktop Mac? I've worked with a G3, G4, and G5. The case and hardware layout was thoughtfully laid out, making it very easy to get into and out of the system. I'm comparing this experience to standard store-bought PCs in my history as well, which were a rather different experience. Apple's cases were clearly designed with an aesthetic goal, yet they were also very functional.

While it's understandable that a device like an iPhone or iPad isn't user-serviceable (few to none of the competition offers products in these categories that are user-serviceable, either, and there's a functional reason why), what Apple has been doing with their desktops and laptops makes less sense. Why does an iMac need to be razor-thin? Did the laptop line really need to switch over to soldered components, even when the overall hardware layout and casing was hardly changed? Why did the 2014 Mac Mini - which had no casing design changes - receive modifications that made getting into the system much more difficult?

Apple once designed desktop systems that were pleasing to look at and very easy to get into. Now it seems as if the design decisions are around looks and making it difficult for people to get in, while removing the reasons why they would want to. It doesn't seem as if we're gaining anything for the trade-off, either.

Sorry to break it to you, but Apple isn't designing the iPad for people like you. Its a mass market product. Its not going to get 4 GB of RAM anytime soon because theres zero need for it for tablet apps. The Air 2 is a beast of a tablet. Not sure what unicorn you are trying to pin down here. Just stick with a laptop or desktop for what you want.

Case closed.

As far as upgradable Macs....you're living in the past. This is the way it is and the choice that Apple has made. Sink or swim....or get a PC box.
 
I'd quite like to see Craig Federighi in charge of iOS. He's been doing really well on the OS X side.

Huh? :confused: He's in charge of iOS right now.

http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/craig-federighi.html
Craig Federighi is Apple's senior vice president of Software Engineering, reporting to CEO Tim Cook. Craig oversees the development of iOS, OS X and Apple's common operating system engineering teams. His teams are responsible for delivering the software at the heart of Apple's innovative products, including the user interface, applications and frameworks.

thought some might get a giggle out of this

YouTube: video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68fb-fx0Qpg

That might have been funny in June 2013 but now it's been so played out everywhere it's just a big yawn now.
 
I made a thread about this before, which might as well be merged into this one because I posted it in General Apple discussion. Anyways here is a little post I made about it with a comparison of how Forstall's firing is eerily similar to Steve Jobs firing back in the 80s.

I'm not honestly sure what to think of the new Apple anymore. In the write-up I basically say that Apple's next chapter began in the 80s after the firing of Steve Jobs; not with the Newton as they tried to suggest back then. Same deal nowadays, Apple's next chapter began when Tim Cook fired Scott Forstall, something Steve Jobs would have never even thought of doing, not when they had an overdramatic unveiling of a watch like they tried to manufacture.
 
I made a thread about this before, which might as well be merged into this one because I posted it in General Apple discussion. Anyways here is a little post I made about it with a comparison of how Forstall's firing is eerily similar to Steve Jobs firing back in the 80s.

I'm not honestly sure what to think of the new Apple anymore. In the write-up I basically say that Apple's next chapter began in the 80s after the firing of Steve Jobs; not with the Newton as they tried to suggest back then. Same deal nowadays, Apple's next chapter began when Tim Cook fired Scott Forstall, something Steve Jobs would have never even thought of doing, not when they had an overdramatic unveiling of a watch like they tried to manufacture.

I have visited and read your thread. There is a certain similarity, no doubt, in the situation. The main difference is that at the one we look back, the other one we live in at the moment.
 
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Sorry to break it to you, but Apple isn't designing the iPad for people like you. Its a mass market product. Its not going to get 4 GB of RAM anytime soon because theres zero need for it for tablet apps. The Air 2 is a beast of a tablet. Not sure what unicorn you are trying to pin down here.
I didn't think the post was that long, but I'll highlight the critical part that you might have overlooked:

...So it's not that I feel that 1 GB is enough...

Yet I also recognize that people like you and me probably don't represent the average iPhone or iPad user.
In short, I was commiserating with someone who was demanding more from the hardware, yet expressing the same sentiment that you wrote in your post.
 
This and that

Wow, there's a mass of off-topic stuff since I unsubscribed. In no particular order …

So let's look at this logically …

… Apple … sales figures … stock …

… the numbers speak for themselves. …

… The stock price won't go down, market cap won't be lost …

… the most valuable tech company …

Every time someone gushes about numbers, about market share, about profitability or whatever – in response to a complaint about a product – there's another silent but sure swing of the sledgehammer at a pillar of something that Tim Cook reportedly holds dear.

… MacRumors, on the other hand, is full of people who come here for the sole purpose of complaining about Apple. …

I don't think so.

Are voters in these forums more optimistic about Apple products than voters at large?

I would still take an iPhone over any other phone, but they could be so much better. …

… this year I feel that I've chosen the iPhone because I dislike the current crop of Android phones, rather than it being because I love the new iPhone. … For the first time in four years I seriously considered Android.

Were you aware of YotaPhone before this year's choice of iPhone?

Interest in recently launched YotaPhone 2

… Why hate the OS? Because its evolving? …

No, of course that's not the reason.

… 10.10 is just a different visual leap.

The word 'leap' implies progress. Regressions are not progress.

… someone comes up with a "classic theme" for Yosemite! :)

I expect Flavours 2 will be very good, but I no longer hope for a third party to fix the title bar of Safari.

Go to windows then! …

Overexcited recommendations of Microsoft operating systems are sometimes made when, in an argument, a reasonable response is too difficult to give.

Non OS X Alternatives to OS X Yosemite – most of the posts do not mention Windows.

… I'm sure you will love a nice new dell.....

Personally, I'm quite happy with FreeNAS on … an old Dell tower that a friend no longer wanted.

thought some might get a giggle out of this …

Yeah :) it was new to me, too.

(I barely knew the name Jony Ive before Yosemite.)

… I'm not honestly sure what to think of the new Apple anymore. …

Yosemite looks terrible! – Apple culture, scaling and software quality

Keywords: culture, scaling.

… What the .... was Apple thinking? Please bring back Scott Forstall!!!
And fire Jony Ive. And if Tim Cook thinks this is a Good direction that OS X is going (transfer OS X to IOS) than let Scott Forstall be the CEO of Apple.
I really doubt this is the direction Steve would want Apple to go!!! He wasn't this stupid...

See above, and previous pages :)
 
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