What is on that 64GB? If you're talking about your media like photos, music, and videos, that's all local on your computer, the same it is when it's on your iPhone and you go to do a reset. The only thing Apple has an edge on here in your case is that apps and settings are backed up locally. Not everyone has tons of games, so say you have 100 5-25MB apps, that's really not that much, as I said it's a couple gigs at most. There's no way you'd have 64GB of apps that would need to be redownloaded. So as I said, even with Android you can transfer your media back over to your phone from your PC. At least with Android you have the option to get a MicroSD card, so in that case a factory reset would allow you to keep all your media on your phone, so doing a factory reset on the bus would not be an issue.
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Right, so the base model 5c is/was 8GB? Sounds familiar, when I type it out like that.
Seems like you're trying to paint the scenario to suit your argument here. If you want to do a factory reset on a bus, have at it. I suspect most people prefer to do this at home or at work.
On my 32 GB phone, I have a total of 20 GB used for apps, and yes I do play a lot of games. Without a local backup, all of that would need to be downloaded, in addition whatever else is needed for the OS and settings. Aside from bumping me up against the data cap, doing all this OTA would also be very slow on my home connection.
You're talking about options. So am I -- namely the ones relevant to my actual usage. Having the local backup allows me to do a clean reset whenever a major OS update occurs, and then restore the data, apps, and settings, or transfer them to a different device, in one step. Fast, reliable, easy -- no rooting or SD cards required.
On a completely different topic, great choice of word there. Haven't seen that one being used in a very long time.
I have 3 android devices. 1 is on 2.x and I could only add a 2 GB flash to it. And to use it, I had to find a computer with windows, install about a 1 gb of developer tools, execute some manual command scripts directly to the phone through usb, and give up the ability to use the phones built in memory.
On the other 2 android devices they are running 4.x. And on the package they bragged about being able to add 16 GB of flash. So I did. And what a wonderful surprise to find out that there is no way on these devices to access that flash memory without rooting / hacking the devices which these devices have apparently been designed to prevent. How convenient. So having invested days into trying to hack the android to use the added flash memory, I remembered that I have a life and better things to do than hack a stupid phone. On the plus side, they play Dora games for toddlers quite well, so they've been repurposed.
As for the other post claiming Google play is the core of the phone, that seems short sighted. Ummm... The core of the phone is what is in front of me. That argument is like saying that anytime Apple updates the App Store that my phone is improved, therefore os updates are irrelevant. A ridiculous argument.
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Nobody is arguing OS update. But Android is working different way. Almost all core Android apps are being updated through play store. You do not need most recent OS to run the most updated version of web browser. Apple is working different way. Only new OS gets newest version if core apps. Can you run Safari 8 on iOS 5? I would love to, but you cannot do it.
Google updates their apps and push new Android core service/ APIs though google Play Store. It is possible for Google achieve all new OS feature without need to update to newsr OS.
It is like, Google can gets all iOS 8 features pushes to all devices without need newest OS. Granded that without update to newest OS, some old OS bugs or holes will not fix.
Where to start...
16GB flash? Phones out in the past few years all support at least 64GB, with most flagships now supporting 128GB MicroSD cards. There's no need for a computer to format it first either. All you do is plug your phone in with a standard USB cable to a computer, and on your computer you will see an external drive pop up that you can browse and copy media (if you use OS X you do need a program however, or you can just take the card out without installing any software).
The restriction on external storage is moving apps to the card, there is no issues copying media over to it and playing media from the card.
iOS doesn't update Safari, Mail, Messages, camera, notes, etc. except in OS releases. Android updates all the core apps via the Play Store, and many manufacturers are moving their themed apps like their launcher and camera to the play store as well, again they also update Google Play Services and the Play Store OTA, so when they make improvement to the core APIs they get pushed out separate from the OS.
My first PC only had only 80MB, Pentium 2 running Windows 98. Thinking now, even first gen iPhone had more power than that old thing.
Well that's a huge weight off my chest!
As I said, 8GB was/is the capacity of the base model 5c, so the OP whining about twice that amount is kind of amusing. Apple gives you lots of options; I went with 128GB this time around because 64GB just isn't enough for me. If you want more than 16GB (or 8GB in the case of the 5c) you're welcome to pay for it.
If Google play is supposed to be magically updating thing in the os and built in apps, then it's very well broken. Only thing that ever gets updated are the apps that were downloaded and installed separately. And, no the external memory is not available for data either. It will not accept manually placing files there, the camera cannot store pictures there, nothing will go there without hacking and rooting the device. It's useless. Only thing external storage is good for is going into the settings and feeling good that the device acknowledges that the sd card that it's blocking access to is in fact there and recognized.
Far simpler to just have all the devices storage available like iOS and plug it in to back up everything in 3 minutes. Why fight with a hobbled together throwback that's less friendly to work with than windows 1.0 on MS-DOS. The fact that android splits the memory into usable and unusable is ridiculous. If the android came with enough built-in memory, and allowed backing up data and apps directly to my computer, the convoluted split memory unusable expansion without rooting would be unnecessary.
Yes you can store photos to MicroSD card without hacking or rooting. You can pretty much move everything to SD card except apps. There are some phones allows you to move app entitely to SD cards.
And no, Google updates all into core apps and Google play services though App Store. Not just download apps.
The first page or so of replies to this thread disgust me. Why couldn't people just nicely point out that you can plug your phone into iTunes instead of rip into the guy? It's a legitimate issue for those with smaller capacity devices. I'd personally never buy an iOS device with less than 32 GB of storage (well I guess now that's been bumped up to 64 GB 
), but if Apple is selling a 16 GB device, people are going to buy it and they shouldn't be blamed for not keeping an insane amount of space free for updates.
Are you sure it wasn't 80 MB of RAM? My first computer was bought in 1997 and it had Windows 95 with a K6 processor and a 2 GB hard drive. I had no idea what I would ever do with 2 GB of space
), but if Apple is selling a 16 GB device, people are going to buy it and they shouldn't be blamed for not keeping an insane amount of space free for updates.Are you sure it wasn't 80 MB of RAM? My first computer was bought in 1997 and it had Windows 95 with a K6 processor and a 2 GB hard drive. I had no idea what I would ever do with 2 GB of space
The first page or so of replies to this thread disgust me. Why couldn't people just nicely point out that you can plug your phone into iTunes instead of rip into the guy? It's a legitimate issue for those with smaller capacity devices. I'd personally never buy an iOS device with less than 32 GB of storage (well I guess now that's been bumped up to 64 GB
Are you sure it wasn't 80 MB of RAM? My first computer was bought in 1997 and it had Windows 95 with a K6 processor and a 2 GB hard drive. I had no idea what I would ever do with 2 GB of space
Nah.. It was 80MB of hard drive... I was in China back then...I updated to 40GB around 2010 or 2011 cannot remember... I used hell out of this PC. Moving from Windows 98 to Windows me to Windows 2000. Then I moved to Canada around 2004... Back then i had no idea about Windows XP... I really thought Windows 2000 was the latest Windows available. I also had no idea about Apple and the whole Macintosh thing alone with iPod... Back then around 2000, all my classmates and me had CD player or Sony's WalkMan Mini Disk player.
You've never noticed that Gmail, Calendar, Maps, Hangouts, Play Music, etc. are updated in the Play Store? Well, they all are. Every single Google App is updated via the Play Store.
There is also no issue plugging your phone into the computer or taking the memory card out, connecting to your computer and copy the files over. You can't move files on iOS, so why would you care about doing it on Android?
Gotcha. So you had the 80 MB drive all the way until 2010 or 11?!? And yes, I'm right there with you on the CD player. I never had a Walkman CD player because all I could afford was the $20 knockoff CD players. I went through about 3 of them between 2000 and 2005 so in the end I would have been better off with a Walkman, but the 10-15 year old me didn't think like that. And I used Windows 98 until 2004, XP until 2007, and then I stayed current through Windows 7. I'm a Mac guy all the way now, but I've always liked and will continue to like Windows.
Sorry for getting so off topic, I'm honestly getting tired of the hostile environment around here and I think it's nice to remember that for all some of us disagree on, we're still human beings. I try to remember that every time I get behind my keyboard, but it doesn't always work.
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The clue about the movie the OP's GF shot is in the opening thread.... 'Screw you' as he said...
Seriously! It's beyond ridiculous! You know, since the year 2010, NAND storage prices have dropped to literally less than a third of what they were back in 2010 when Apple switched to the 16GB base model. It's absolutely ridiculous. I cannot believe they are selling a 16GB phone for $750! Most other manufacturers are moving away from 16GB.
If Apple was still sticking 2010 SSD's in their MacBooks no one would buy it. Why are we still buying their phones? I'm saying HELL no until they increase the base model to 32GB. In the year 2014, 16GB is inexcusable.
Just my observation from reading this Post. Apple I believe continue to sell 16 GB products for those that would like an Apple device but might not have the extra cash to buy the next step up. And as someone else pointed out, if you back up there is no reason to loose anything to do a update. Sure it might take a bit of time to do that but for many it's not that big of a deal.
Especially all the major competitor starts to make 32GB as base model. The new Galaxy Note 4 starts at 32GB. Most high end Android phone from last years start support 128GB of SD storage. Cannot finger out why Apple still stay with 16GB.
Because in ios I don't need to move files. I have them already in the devices large memory space. In android, the only large memory space available is the external flash memory you add, and in my experience the only way to get files onto it and make use of the space is to hack and root the device. Glad all my memory is available in one space on iOS and so easy to back up.
