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I think you make some really valid points, but we can’t just pick on touch ID for “wet/damp” fingers. I could make the counter argument that Face ID has its own pitfalls in terms of not successfully unlocking when the user is ‘lying down’ or their face may be relaxed, which poses a problem in terms of unlocking the phone. When you factor both forms of biometric security, they’re excellent, and they both have proven reliable, touch ID refined nicely all the way through the iPhone 8, but face ID is obviously the future for Apple, and is more secure, but doesn’t come without its shortfalls either.

We have to remain ‘objective’ in terms of realizing that they’re both totally different types of biometric security options, but neither one of them is perfect to the point where we can’t point out the Pros/cons of both.

I agree with your points there. I’d just like to add that the accuracy of Face ID has definitely improved over the years. I had issues on my Xs Max with it not being able to recognise my face properly in bed a lot but with the 11 Pro, that has definitely been addressed & I hardly have to change position for it to recognise my face now.
 
I have an 5S like SE right now. But for a while the battery got worse and worse. On Friday the phone started showing at the battery settings 'battery health -> service'. I need to buy a new phone. I was convinced to iPhone 11, I would like to have faceID, screen without bezels, great battery. The only disadvantage is a size. I like to use phone holding only in one hand. But, I have never tried anything bigger than 5S design. Since rumors about smaller and cheaper than pro iPhone 12 I was thinking about waiting till that day. Unfortunately I have to buy phone right now.

Do you think it is better to get SE and in October trade it for small 12? Or maybe, like always, it is better to wait some time with new generation before buying. So get the 11 for a year or more? I don't like buying right now. I like the world without phones! :) You know, I don't want to kick myself at the end of the year if the 12 5.4'' will be so magnificent etc, and I've got 11.
Same problem over here. I wish they had given the new SE camera night mode, rather than the pretty much useless (at least to me) portrait modes...
 
11. Dual cameras are always better than 1. The SE is a nice fall back option in case you don't like the 11.
 
Meanwhile I'm lazy and hate having to do that extra swipe and would rather go directly to app or home screen. I disable most notifications anyway. I just check stuff when I want to. :p

It's funny - I have the 11, and have seriously been contemplating going to the new SE. I love Touch ID, and the idea of having a small phone again. Now that I have an iPad mini, I don't need as big of a phone because I won't use it for things like reading and games in bed.

My only concern is about losing the camera, although for taking basic pics/video of my grandkids, the SE 2 camera would probably be just fine. I never really change up settings much anyway.
 
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I've got the 11. What a huuuuugo phone. After the whole day I am still far away from being used to it. I love Face ID and the gesture navigation through iOS. The 5.4 inch phone will be a killer!
 
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I've got the 11. What a huuuuugo phone. After the whole day I am still far away from being used to it. I love Face ID and the gesture navigation through iOS. The 5.4 inch phone will be a killer!
Keeps us updated on how your feeling about the 11.

I'm still on the fence between getting a SE 2020 + iPad mini OR iphone 11.
 
Keeps us updated on how your feeling about the 11.
After two full day with the 11. I love the battery, so freaking awesome! Face ID also is a plus for me, I like that unlocking mechanism. Works very well. Gesture on the 11, again, I love it. It is better navigation through iOS with gesture than with constantly pressing Touch ID.

On the other hand, the size is slightly too big for me. Of course, it is very nice to read something before bed. but it lacks with comfort with every day use. Getting the phone while shopping to read shopping list, or checking the map while ridding a bicycle. Sure, the screen is awesome, and the map is so readable, but the feel of using a phone with one hand is weird. I wish it could be a little bit smaller, the SE size.

Honestly, I am thinking of returning it. if the phone was 5 mm tighter. I would say, that my hand are above average in size. I could use the 11 one hand, but it does not feel very comfortable. My computer has disabled all of the notification to not to distract me while doing anything, even watching the movie. I use phone for that. When I am working my phone is set to 'do not disturb' and from time to time, every 20-30 minutes, I check notifications. I fell in love with 'tap to wake'. It is so much better than pressing Touch ID or rising the phone to scree light up. The 11 is excellent phone. I just need something slightly smaller or something that just feel like smaller and is more comfortable to use in one hand scenarios.

Right now, when I got to know the features of the 11 I do not want to spend 400$ for the SE. I packed the 11 to the box to not broke it and returned to my old 5S like SE. Maybe I should get the used 11 Pro? Is it feeling smaller while using? How it is compering to the 6/6S/7/8/SE shape?
 
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After two full day with the 11. I love the battery, so freaking awesome! Face ID also is a plus for me, I like that unlocking mechanism. Works very well. Gesture on the 11, again, I love it. It is better navigation through iOS with gesture than with constantly pressing Touch ID.

On the other hand, the size is slightly too big for me. Of course, it is very nice to read something before bed. but it lacks with comfort with every day use. Getting the phone while shopping to read shopping list, or checking the map while ridding a bicycle. Sure, the screen is awesome, and the map is so readable, but the feel of using a phone with one hand is weird. I wish it could be a little bit smaller, the SE size.

Honestly, I am thinking of returning it. if the phone was 5 mm tighter. I would say, that my hand are above average in size. I could use the 11 one hand, but it does not feel very comfortable. My computer has disabled all of the notification to not to distract me while doing anything, even watching the movie. I use phone for that. When I am working my phone is set to 'do not disturb' and from time to time, every 20-30 minutes I check notification. I fell in love with 'tap to wake'. It is so much better than pressing Touch ID or rising the phone to scree light up. The 11 is excellent phone. I just need something slightly smaller or something that just feel like smaller and is more comfortable to use in one hand scenarios.

Right now, when I got to know the features of the 11 I do not want to spend 400$ for the SE. I packed the 11 to the box to not broke it and returned to my old 5S like SE. Maybe I should get the used 11 Pro? It is feeling smaller while using? How it is compering to the 6/6S/7/8/SE shape?

An 11 Pro if within budget sounds perfect for what you want.
 
I’ve got both phones coming today. I currently have a 6S Plus so I’m 50/50 on which one I keep.
 
I know between the 11 and se it would come down to a difference if you got the extra money

right now the SE is fantastic at a price of a phone with the same A13 chip seen in the iPhone 11 and iPhone 11 pro

that would definitely mean you get a sustainable phone at a price point you can agree on

another thing would be that maybe you can get out of your comfort zone to try maybe something “bigger” ha if not then I would say stay with the SE

both are great devices on the market right now
 
My only concern is about losing the camera, although for taking basic pics/video of my grandkids, the SE 2 camera would probably be just fine. I never really change up settings much anyway.

I have the 11 Pro and I´m going down to the SE. From the 3 cameras I use 99% of the time the main one. Night mode is a beast, but on day to day use, I never take night photos to be honest... and as you mention, the screen is great but small for reading content, the iPad Mini covers that area very well.

And the price...
 
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I have the 11 Pro and I´m going down to the SE. From the 3 cameras I use 99% of the time the main one. Night mode is a beast, but on day to day use, I never take night photos to be honest... and as you mention, the screen is great but small for reading content, the iPad Mini covers that area very well.

And the price...

Same here. Just sold the 11 and picking up SE. Will be great, though FaceID and gestures will be missed. Size will not and SE-size looks so much better.
 
I like the look and size of the 11. It’s arrived already. Can get that set up before the SEs arrive this afternoon. I’m shortsighted and already, even though I wear varifocals, I have to take my glasses off to to see the screens up close. I can’t do that when out with an SE. That’s why I’m worried about the SE being too small.
 
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I like the look and size of the 11. It’s arrived already. Can get that set up before the SEs arrive this afternoon. I’m shortsighted and already, even though I wear varifocals, I have to take my glasses off to to see the screens up close. I can’t do that when out with an SE. That’s why I’m worried about the SE being too small.

Yes, it looks great, but use it a couple of days on pockets or long periods with one hand; it becomes heavy and annoying (or at least to me).

Your sight problem is more important of course, so maybe is great for your needs.
 
I like the look and size of the 11. It’s arrived already. Can get that set up before the SEs arrive this afternoon. I’m shortsighted and already, even though I wear varifocals, I have to take my glasses off to to see the screens up close. I can’t do that when out with an SE. That’s why I’m worried about the SE being too small.
That's good news - it's gonna feel like Christmas today! Would love to hear your comparison thoughts especially as your coming from the 6 Plus.
 
I haven't made any decisions yet. I'm just now starting to adjust to using my mini at night instead of my phone. My only issue at all with the mini is without a case, it's not as comfortable to hold in bed (the loopy on my phone makes it really nice to hold), and I don't want to bulk it up much because of weight, so I'm trying to find the right thing.

I would LOVE to be able to hold the SE in hand, but of course that's not an option...
 
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I haven't made any decisions yet. I'm just now starting to adjust to using my mini at night instead of my phone. My only issue at all with the mini is without a case, it's not as comfortable to hold in bed (the loopy on my phone makes it really nice to hold), and I don't want to bulk it up much because of weight, so I'm trying to find the right thing.

I would LOVE to be able to hold the SE in hand, but of course that's not an option...

just hold any iphone 6, 7 or 8 is pretty much the same I have a 7 and the size is perfect !! i wouldnt go for the 11 i Know is big for what i prefer you will love SE 2020 size
 
just hold any iphone 6, 7 or 8 is pretty much the same I have a 7 and the size is perfect !! i wouldnt go for the 11 i Know is big for what i prefer you will love SE 2020 size

I don't have access to any of those, and honestly, I can't remember the last time I actually held one. I know I picked up the 8 one of the last times I was in the Apple store, and I just remember thinking I'd love to go back to something that size. I've had + phones since the 6, and I currently have the 11 - just toying with the idea of going smaller. I couldn't do it with the pro because of the OLED, although I fear I will ultimately have to give in and try to get used to that.
 
I had used iPhone X for a while since it came out and it started having issues with GPS and Wi-Fi - Never had this issue with different iPhones I used for years in the past. Anyway, I switched to iPhone 8 I found cheap on Craigslist to use until deciding what iPhone to upgrade to 11 or Pro. I immediately noticed smaller screen and smaller font size and it took a couple days to adjust to it. Also found myself charging it more often. On the other hand, I found the Touch ID to be as convenient as Face ID - I know there's pros and cons to each type but to me, I got used to Touch ID again quickly. And I do like the smaller form factor a lot and the fact that I can perfectly use it one-handed. Using it feels very natural and the entire section of the screen is reachable with my thumb without over stretching. And it's much lighter, too!

I'm still torn between upgrading it to SE or 11 pro or 12 pro when it comes out. Money is not an issue but I think the new SE will be totally worth the cost and has its own advantages.
 
Get a new battery installed in your current 5S. It will cost about $50 using a third party repair business.

Wait until Apple releases their iPhone 12 line in a few months time and see if you prefer the rumoured 5.4” model.

I’m not quite in the same boat. I’m rocking the original SE and my battery is fine, but I am thinking about getting new model, especially once Apple no longer supports the SE with iOS updates. Size will play a determining factor and if the 5.4” is close to the new SE in size, I’ll buy one.
 
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