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Security for in store pickups 9/19
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So being murdered while walking out of the Apple store with your iPhone is not related to launch day security.
Ummm, yes. Yes it is.
Perhaps it's because I'm Canadian, but I find this gun control "debate" hilarious. You don't need a gun for self protection; you're more likely to get yourself killed if you're packing heat. That's a surefire way to escalate the situation, if nothing else.
I doubt I'll ever understand american gun culture
More guns=less crime. The statistics back it up.
http://www.infowars.com/statistics-prove-more-guns-less-crime/
I live in Florida, but work in Atlanta. I'm going to the AT&T store in East Point on the 19th hoping they have some. Anyone familiar with Atlanta knows East Point, even with new development, is not the best area. I'm slightly concerned walking out of the store with a 6. Heck, I'm concerned using my 4 on Marta. When the 5 came out, pregnant women would come up to you on Marta asking to use your phone. They'd pretend they were dialing and then take off running with it. Atlanta sucks...there I said it.
Maybe I'll just wait until I get back to Tampa. :-/
Maybe I'll just wait until I get back to Tampa. :-/
Come, bring the gun discussion over here
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1778917/
And let's leave this thread to security on launch day.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1778917/
And let's leave this thread to security on launch day.
Then explain the drop in gun crime in the US after the expiration of the 1994 AWB and proliferation of gun ownership?
Honestly - we get it. You don't like guns and won't own one. That's fine. But that doesn't qualify you to dictate taking firearms away from those law-abiding citizens who do.
Crime in general has gone down in the US. I would attribute lower crime rates to the information age and education. Are people carrying more guns now than pre AWB ban expiration? On a country by country basis more guns equals more gun violence on average.
Perhaps it's because I'm Canadian, but I find this gun control "debate" hilarious. You don't need a gun for self protection; you're more likely to get yourself killed if you're packing heat. That's a surefire way to escalate the situation, if nothing else.
I doubt I'll ever understand american gun culture
I have to agree that the gun debate on this forum is ridiculous, I grew up across the street from Compton and have never had a need or desire for a gun. It wasn't all roses and Ive had bad encounters with people here and there, but I came out of it, without the need for a firearm.
I agree with you, some Americans still feel that this the wild west, and that any joe walking down the street is a potential threat. If someone accosted me and wanted my phone I would just hand it to them, I would never take another persons life just to protect a phone, that's insanity.
That being said I think that you need to give us americans a little more credit. There are more and more people starting to feel that gun control is something that has to be taken seriously.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/18/gun-ownership-gun-deaths-study
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/09/130918101643.htm
If someone tried to steal my phone id shoot them and keep it moving. No harm done.
I've seen some black shirt dudes in my store, security I presume. But that's in store. The parking lot is not covered.
Yep, they are.
On a city by city basis, blanket gun bans equals more gun violence and a higher murder rate, if Washington DC and Chicago are any indication.
My owning a gun does not affect your safety in any way. It's not my fault you have an irrational fear of inanimate objects. That said, I completely respect your choice not to own one as it IS a great responsibility and is not for everyone. And the bottom line is, suggesting carrying a firearm to protect yourself and your personal property is a perfectly valid answer to the OP's question - as long as you do it legally.
What I do take exception with is those hoplophobes who believe that disarming law-abiding citizens will solve the gun violence problem in this country. People who use guns to commit crimes aren't going to follow gun control laws either.
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A criminal can take your gun and use it on you before you even realize it. Thats how a number of massacres were able to happen. You bring a gun with you and youve instantly increased the likelihood that you and others around you will be shot with your gun.
Or a criminal can just use his own gun on you before you even realize it. You sound just like Evie Hudak, the former CO state senator that actually reprimanded a rape victim with the SAME reason who testified that she wished she had a gun with her when she was raped. Talk about conceited.
Your "what if" scenario is ridiculous. Obviously if I don't have a gun, the likelihood of getting shot by my own gun is zero. However, how is the likelihood that I and others around me "will be shot with my gun" any higher or lower than the likelihood that I, with my gun, could just as easily prevent a robbery or any other crime being committed against myself or others? Answer: the odds are the same. And you can't disprove that.
Show me the statistics where people not knowing you have a gun prevents robbery. If people do know you have a gun maybe they will feel threatened and they will shoot thinking like you and the criminals will be packing heat as well making what could be a non deadly situation deadly on the spot. Being a gun toting douche bag will get you killed.
What kind of a dumb request is that? You're asking me to prove a negative. How are you going to generate statistics about a robbery being prevented if prevention means it never happened in the first place? Tell you what, you go and conduct your own study. Next time you visit the Apple Store and nothing happens, just go around asking people if they know others are carrying a gun or not, and ask criminals if they would have committed robberies at that store if they knew someone in the crowd had a gun. Now do you see how idiotic that sounds?
So please explain how disarming law abiding citizens also disarms criminals.
And I understand about people feeling threatened, but I'm not the bad guy. I don't carry a weapon in order to commit crimes or scare others. That's why I prefer to carry concealed. If nothing happens, you'll never know I have a gun on me. Everyone's happy.
Sorry if you feel threatened, but that's your problem, not mine. I'm not breaking any laws or doing anything wrong. I feel threatened if I don't have my firearm with me, why does your feeling of security take precedence over mine?
Seriously - get over this irrational fear and try respecting the rights of others who are not doing anything illegal or hurts you in any way.
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The point is you can't prove you prevented a robbery by carry a concealed weapon. LMAO! That point is lost on you gun owners. You think it will stop someone from committing a crime who is determined to commit one.
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No *****, sherlock. However, just because I can't prove I prevented a robbery by carrying a concealed weapon does not mean the null hypothesis (that a robbery could NOT have been prevented by me carrying a concealed weapon) is true either.
Laugh your ass off all you want, but the logic fail is on your part, buddy. Now how about answering my question? How does disarming law abiding citizens with gun control laws also prevent criminals from committing crimes with guns?
I carry my M&P9c everyday everywhere I go. I hope I never ever have to unholster it when not at home or the range. But if the moment ever comes when someone else is staring at me with their own gun or hurting a loved one I will never regret having it on me. No it's not a guarantee I'll survive but my odds are a lot better then you without one. Most gun crime is committed by non law abiding gun owners who didn't obtain the gun legally.