That's debatable. If you're unarmed you're probably more likely to just hand over the phone and not risk doing something ill advised because you think you have the upper hand.
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Security for in store pickups 9/19
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That's debatable. If you're unarmed you're probably more likely to just hand over the phone and not risk doing something ill advised because you think you have the upper hand.
Security for in store pickups 9/19
And your brand spanking new phone would be gone, and there's still nothing stopping the perp from beating you or roughing you up a bit in the process.
If you have a means to defend yourself, there's a better chance of a favorable outcome - and you might even get to keep the phone you just paid for.
And your brand spanking new phone would be gone, and there's still nothing stopping the perp from beating you or roughing you up a bit in the process.
If you have a means to defend yourself, there's a better chance of a favorable outcome - and you might even get to keep the phone you just paid for.
Yeah, but the thought of just handing over my property to a thief just because he wants it sickens me.
I'd rather take personal responsibility for my own safety and defend myself, rather than just lay down and take it. Call me silly.
I'm thinking about what's the best course of action for protecting yourself. The phone is secondary, no matter how much it costs. If someone targets you for your expensive new phone, it's pretty unlikely that they are going to be motivated to hurt or kill you just for fun if you don't resist. The crook is going to initiate the attack when they have the advantage. ie, surprise you from behind, they already have their weapon drawn, their buddies are right around the corner, etc. A gun doesn't always equal the odds.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying there's no value in carrying a gun for protection or that there aren't times when it makes sense to resist, but the best defense is knowing how to avoid the situation in the first place.
Really? And I'm supposed to put my life in his hands and hope he doesn't kill me?
Ummmm, no thank you.
I hear what you're saying, and there are situations when I would fight back too. But you have to remember that you will get over losing the phone. You (and your loved ones) won't get over you being dead.
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Very few muggers murder people for no reason. There's a big difference between "I take people's phones for quick cash" to "I murder people in the street for fun."
It's quite amazing how so many thieves wack women and elderly people over the head. Just to take a phone.
This is one of the funniest threads I've read.
Congratulations, and move out of the ghetto or bring your husband.
Congratulations, and move out of the ghetto or bring your husband.
I get it. But it's impossible to predict the outcome. All you can do is decide what you would do and prepare accordingly. And I'm not prepared to give up my right of self defense to avoid a conflict with a thief, nor am I going to hope he doesn't kill me to eliminate a witness, because he is crazy, whatever. My choice is to defend myself and confront evil.
Commit premeditated first degree murder to eliminate a witness of a phone theft, which happen all the time and are frequently unsolved or not successfully prosecuted?
Well, I admit that desperate criminals aren't known for rational thinking...
In any case, I'm not trying to debate the issue further. I do respect where you're coming from, but it's just not a black and white issue for me. Carrying a gun is not the first thing I would personally suggest for self defense, but I'm not saying that it's never an option.
You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? "Premeditated first degree murder"? Really?
This is a new one...
For once the topic hasn't veered off course into Android versus iOS. Rather it is a topic on gun control, safety, and violence.
Carry your guns (legally). Good for you. Don't hate on people that personally choose not to. Hard? No, not really.
You'd think this was an every day occurence, people getting robbed for their phones.
For once the topic hasn't veered off course into Android versus iOS. Rather it is a topic on gun control, safety, and violence.
Carry your guns (legally). Good for you. Don't hate on people that personally choose not to. Hard? No, not really.
You'd think this was an every day occurence, people getting robbed for their phones.
Lol, I'm no legal expert, that's for sure. But what would someone be charged with if they killed someone in cold blood who offered no resistance?
I would think one could make an argument for premeditation since the robber brought a weapon and obviously intended to leave no living witness.
Agreed.
Also, in your words "Don't hate on people that personally choose to carry. Hard? No, not really."
I carry a Glock 27 everywhere but court. Not too concerned there anyway 
I would shoot anyone dumb enough to try and rob me with a deadly weapon. I've drawn on someone once that approached a buddy with a knife. They ran. Smarter than they looked I guess, as I understand my rights well enough not to hesitate putting them down (again, provided they were using deadly force/weaponry).
If they want to try and mug me without one, I wouldn't open fire, but I still like my chances
It can happen anywhere. It's not just the ghetto. The attempted robbery I stopped was in an area where the average house is well over 1M.
Gotta love AZ though. Thanks to our great state every criminal has to wonder if their victim is packing. I feel bad for states with good gun laws for criminals.
I would shoot anyone dumb enough to try and rob me with a deadly weapon. I've drawn on someone once that approached a buddy with a knife. They ran. Smarter than they looked I guess, as I understand my rights well enough not to hesitate putting them down (again, provided they were using deadly force/weaponry).
If they want to try and mug me without one, I wouldn't open fire, but I still like my chances
It can happen anywhere. It's not just the ghetto. The attempted robbery I stopped was in an area where the average house is well over 1M.
Gotta love AZ though. Thanks to our great state every criminal has to wonder if their victim is packing. I feel bad for states with good gun laws for criminals.
Just browsing the thread quickly, I see more of the other way around. But you're absolutely right.
Perhaps it's because I'm Canadian, but I find this gun control "debate" hilarious. You don't need a gun for self protection; you're more likely to get yourself killed if you're packing heat. That's a surefire way to escalate the situation, if nothing else.
I doubt I'll ever understand american gun culture
I doubt I'll ever understand american gun culture
It's pretty clear you don't understand anything. Where did you pull that statistic from? Or did you just make that up?Perhaps it's because I'm Canadian, but I find this gun control "debate" hilarious. You don't need a gun for self protection; you're more likely to get yourself killed if you're packing heat. That's a surefire way to escalate the situation, if nothing else.
I doubt I'll ever understand american gun culture
Either way, what does it matter to you whether I choose to carry or not? Thanks for your concern for my well being but I can take care of myself, thanks.