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Proof? Instead of the ad hominem attack, how about explaining what is wrong with the bill.
The Dangers of the Burr Encryption Bill
The bill, in short, requires that anyone who develops features or methods to encrypt data must also decrypt the data under a court order. This applies not only to large companies like Apple, but could be used to punish developers of open source encryption tools, or even encryption experts who invent new methods of encryption. Its broad wording allows the government to hold virtually anyone responsible for what a user might do with encryption. A good parallel to this would be holding a vehicle manufacturer responsible for a customer that drives into a crowd. Only it’s much worse: The proposed legislation would allow the tire manufacturer, as well as the scientists who invented the tires, to be held liable as well.

The absurdity of this bill is beyond words. Due to the technical ineptitude of its authors, combined with a hunger for unconstitutional governmental powers, the end result is a very dangerous document that will weaken the security of America’s technology infrastructure. This will affect everything from the iPhone you hold in your pocket to how data is transmitted over the Internet, allowing the government to effectively break all electronic commerce and Internet security. This is bad legislation in every way, and it very subtly allows for unconstitutional government control of private industry. This bill should be seen for the unconstitutional power grab that it is, and never make it to a vote. The Burr-Feinstein bill, in short, punishes American companies for being “too secure”, and forces them to redesign their products to be vulnerable and inferior in security to their foreign competitors – putting everyone at risk.
 
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Proof? Instead of the ad hominem attack, how about explaining what is wrong with the bill.



Misogynistic, yes. Just because you don't find Senator Feinstein attractive doesn't mean there is something wrong with the proposed legislation. Explain what is wrong with the bill, leaving out the part about why you prefer the appearance of some 20-something actress to that of Senator Feinstein.

Seriously, vast swaths of these threads are full of pointless personal attacks. If you think there is something wrong with this bill-- articulate it!

She's not criminally corrupt; but if incompetence was a crime, she'd be one of the lords of the flies in the kingdom of willful ignorance : AKA Congress.

No need for malice when we have incompetence as our master.
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You're never going to find a politician that agrees with you on everything (despite what they say). If this is the one key issue that is a "make or break" for you, then go vote against them, or run for office, that's the deal.

Let me know how tech savvy you are when you're 82.

I'm just glad we don't have people (sure, it's a loose use of the term) like Mitch McConnell.

So, being old is an excuse for being a dangerous legislator? I don't think so. I'm sure you can make it to 82 without potentially cause major damage to your own country... I'm anti-agist, I believe anyone, at any age can be informed on any subject; it's complacency (and sometimes arrogance) that make many older people less agile, not ability.

There is arrogance at both ends of our existence; young or old, we believe we can learn nothing from anyone else. Many disasters have come from this.
 
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So, being old is an excuse for being a dangerous legislator? I don't think so. I'm sure you can make it to 82 without potentially cause major damage to your own country... I'm anti-agist, I believe anyone, at any age can be informed on any subject; it's complacence that make many older people less agile, not ability.
Dangerous legislator?

Did you just wake up or something?

Because you missed some really dangerous legislation in the recent few decades.

If you're an American, you know how the system works, whining about it here won't make it any better.
 
(You are the One: thank you for posting an analysis)

She's not criminally corrupt; but if incompetence was a crime, she'd be one of the lords of the flies in the kingdom of willful ignorance : AKA Congress.

If you explained in a previous post what was wrong with the proposed legislation, I missed it.
 
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this is ludacris
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"Act a fool" is the new title of this bill
 
Fascists. Not surprised it is the criminally corrupt Feinstein at the helm.

When people ask me what my political position is, I tell them to look up Diane Feinstein's position and mine will be the opposite of that. She has the lowest Conservative Review score of anyone at 0%. She needs to reboot her political career in North Korea.
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"The absurdity of this bill is beyond words. Due to the ... ineptitude of its authors, combined with a hunger for unconstitutional governmental powers, the end result is a very dangerous document that will weaken ... America."

Cut out one or two words and you realize this happens in congress a few times a year, not just with technology. ;-)

Time for a second American Revolution.
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I can vote against Feinstein, for Burr I guess I just have to contribute to whoever runs against him.

She was a disgrace way before this bill, and has been so her entire political career.
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If this gets any footing, there will be a huge surge in extra-jurisdiction encryption servers for personal data and communications. While these have existed for a while, wide use will create court cases and OS level integration. I can see something like "iCloud secure" resident in outside any USA extradition.

Don't forget all the software development that would leave the US for overseas, and then people would sideload that stuff anyway. These people are morons.
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This isn't a matter of right vs. left anymore, it seems that in a lot of Western countries both sides have gotten a disturbing increase in megalomaniac, technically inept, borderline fascist politicians that have gone above and beyond to be allowed 100% access to any information on any citizen. The Tories in the UK, the helm of the EU, both Republicans and Democrats in the US, where is this going to? We need to push all of these idiots out before 2020 will be a whole lot more like 1984.

You forgot empress Merkel destroying Germany. I don't think these "leaders" realise how angry people have been for quite a while now.
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Have you ever dealt with Senator Feinstein? She is an extremely self centered individual who feels as if she knows better than anyone. Unfortunately, she has a significant amount of political power that allows her to remain in office.

She is the typical far left winger that thinks regular people are idiots and they need their lives to be run by people like her. No, thanks. She has a Conservative Review score of 0%, the lowest of any politician, BTW.
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This is what happens when we give political power to easily frightened old people.

She is not frightened. She is totally corrupt. Over the years, she has made sure that all the stuff she pushed on other people did not apply to her (example: she pushed gun control on everyone, but made sure she got a CCW permit).
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What's wrong with DC?

This, and so much more. So so so much more...

They are so inept, and beholden to their 'keepers', that they are tone deaf to how the 'Real World' works...

Both those baffoons should have retired ages ago. Especially Feinstein. The idiocy...

'Well, gosh, the world would be so much better without encryption.' to which I'd respond 'You first!'

Time to bring in direct democracy, Switzerland style. The current system no longer works.
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As a non American I feel the easiest way around this would be don't select America as your country when you start up your new iPhone, the software will load as the "non FBI accessable" version and a yank can continue knowing the government wasted their time and money...no? Or is this going to be a USA has it the world has it kind of thing?

This would destroy Apple, as all the security conscious people would chose Android hardware for the ability to sideload a secure OS from an overseas server.
 
Think of all that information that gets encrypted into people's brains. Private thoughts are a haven for terrorism!!! How can we ever be safe???

#boycottBrains
We are kidding here but one day in the future brain reading will be possible. To some extent it's already possible in science labs.
 
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The tech giants are like juveniles, only care about themselves, superficial and hypocritical, they fail to truly understand the government. Young and bright, yet woefully ignorant outside of their area of expertise.

When tech companies care more about social issues than protecting the privacy of their customers, they basically prove what you just said.
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The weirdest thing is that people even think Bernie Sanders is a radical. If he ran his platform in any other developed nation, they'd shrug and tell him they have all of those things already (free university education, guaranteed universal healthcare, a decent minimum wage, paid family & medical leave).

The standards for "developed nation" are rapidly changing, and truth be told, the USA is getting left behind. Americans, like everybody else, are benefitting from cheap international travel and communication, and they're discovering that there is another way.

Let's not take it too far off-topic, though. Major political change is needed, I think we can agree on that.

"The standards for "developed nation" are rapidly changing" - translation, Europe has moved to the left, so the US should as well. Not all change is good. Europe politics has created a ton of problems that the left-leaning media will not talk about.
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The error you and nearly everyone else here is making is in assuming that politicians write the laws. In the U.S. Congress at least, it's the regulated industries who write the laws. This is why the comments from the regulated industries in this instance can be written on the back of an envelope, only without the envelope. Few have noticed this deafening silence, but those who have, and who also know how the system actually works, completely understand why they are so quiet.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

It is very difficult to control lobbyists or plain influence. My only solution at the moment is introducing direct democracy, Switzerland style.
 
The weirdest thing is that people even think Bernie Sanders is a radical. If he ran his platform in any other developed nation, they'd shrug and tell him they have all of those things already (free university education, guaranteed universal healthcare, a decent minimum wage, paid family & medical leave).
Bernie is slightly to the left of Nixon, who, by today's standards, is a radical liberal.
 
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When tech companies care more about social issues than protecting the privacy of their customers, they basically prove what you just said.
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"The standards for "developed nation" are rapidly changing" - translation, Europe has moved to the left, so the US should as well. Not all change is good. Europe politics has created a ton of problems that the left-leaning media will not talk about.
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It is very difficult to control lobbyists or plain influence. My only solution at the moment is introducing direct democracy, Switzerland style.

Tech companies care a great deal about privacy.
 
We are kidding here but one day in the future brain reading will be possible. To some extent it's already possible in science labs.
Yeah, but good luck finding any reading material, once you get out in the general public.
 
Not a surprise....
What else can you expect from "technically-challenged" people who don't understand the purpose of encryption?

Nothing different than what they wrote.
They don't realize they render every phone insecure?
So AES or SHA256 would no longer be available. The NSA helped design SHA256 and also certified versions of AES for encryption.

What prevents people from running an encryption program on top of the OS to encrypt files individually?
Oh, then we are all criminals right?

Beware of a government that seeks to criminalize behavioral norms.
Wanting to keep your stuff private and secure is a behavioral norm.
 
"The standards for "developed nation" are rapidly changing" - translation, Europe has moved to the left, so the US should as well. Not all change is good. Europe politics has created a ton of problems that the left-leaning media will not talk about.

This is way off-topic, but you're also way off-base here. Most European countries have moved to the right since the 70s. Don't kid yourself that Europe is some freakish socialist land and that the US is normality. Just look up the countries that have universal health care world-wide: the US is virtually the only developed country without a comprehensive policy. Or for an even better example, look at paid maternity leave. That one's a shocker.

But I must say, I'm unclear what this has to do with encryption on the iPhone.
 
When people ask me what my political position is, I tell them to look up Diane Feinstein's position and mine will be the opposite of that. She has the lowest Conservative Review score of anyone at 0%. She needs to reboot her political career in North Korea.

What votes were counted to get that CR score? Without seeing that, how would people know what your political positions are?

Time for a second American Revolution.

Because "your people", whoever they are, don't have enough power, and "other people" have too much?

She was a disgrace way before this bill, and has been so her entire political career.

You haven't actually said anything whatsoever about whatever policies you care about. But, if Feinstein is way worse than Sanders, then, I'm guessing that gun control is your big issue. Chances are I disagree with you. Who knows, perhaps you think I'm a disgrace. Perhaps you ought to consider that other people have their opinions, just like you do.

This would destroy Apple, as all the security conscious people would chose Android hardware for the ability to sideload a secure OS from an overseas server.

I think you and I agree that there are a lot of smart programmers all over the world now. Quite apparently, not everybody in DC understands that.
 
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If this bill ever becomes law is the day I throw my cell phone in the trash and go "off the grid".

No you won't

Users will say this now, but they will be using iPhone's the same they use Android devices today knowing their info can be legally got at...

If the bill passes then that would basically mean everyone is a criminal..... What good are laws if u can not bring everyone to justice ? That's where we will be heading.

Encryption, up to a point, but cross this point, and it should be up to the law....


What are u trying to do ? Put forensics companies out of business?

(I like it better when our phone weren't encrypted.. At least people would be rational..) How far is, too far ?
 
an 82yo should not be involved with technology bills. that's all i have to say about that.
 
I'm unclear what this has to do with encryption on the iPhone.

If you look at the comment I replied to, it was making a general political point on how the US is being left behind as a "modern country" - that type of comment always refers to Europe.

Most European countries have moved to the right since the 70s. Don't kid yourself that Europe is some freakish socialist land

EU 30% quota for women in boardrooms, Germany 30% quota for women at universities (in STEM courses they will push out men with better grades than them), Sweden will pay you 80% of your wages for up to five years if you are unemployed, laughable prison sentences, clients (mostly male) penalised for hiring prostitutes (mostly female) while the prostitutes are not penalised (blatant feminism), 25% sales tax in Scandinavian countries, support for illegal immigrants who are there in massive numbers - I could go on forever. You are the one that is off base if you don't think that Europe keeps moving to the left, at least on social issues.
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You haven't actually said anything whatsoever about whatever policies you care about. But, if Feinstein is way worse than Sanders, then, I'm guessing that gun control is your big issue. Chances are I disagree with you. Who knows, perhaps you think I'm a disgrace. Perhaps you ought to consider that other people have their opinions, just like you do.

She is a left wing authoritarian who thinks that she is entitled to push everyone around (while making sure that the rules do not apply to her.)

Because "your people", whoever they are, don't have enough power, and "other people" have too much?

Because this class of politicians are utterly corrupt and they are trampling the Constitution, who they have sworn to uphold. BTW, they don't represent my group or your group. Right now, they represent themselves, their donors and their lobbyists.
 
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