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Just for fun, imagine if Trump, Cruz, Feinstein and that GOP hump had to switch places with Tim Cook, Sandja, Larry Ellison, and anyone else you can think of for a week. Think of how completely crap those companies would become.

For me, I'm of the opinion that we need to VASTLY raise the pay of these telemarketer-politicians. I think Reps should make a cool 2 mill a year; senators, too. Paying crap for a job that is this important gets you idiots like this. The average Valley dev makes more than a senator, and we are getting what we pay for.

When the highest paid state employee is usually a college sports coach, can you really be shocked that America is circling the crapper?
 
Proof? Instead of the ad hominem attack, how about explaining what is wrong with the bill.
I'l like to see them explain technically a method that would allow safe data for people but still allow government access?
How would you do it? That might explain what is wrong with the bill?
 
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Just for fun, imagine if Trump, Cruz, Feinstein and that GOP hump had to switch places with Tim Cook, Sandja, Larry Ellison, and anyone else you can think of for a week. Think of how completely crap those companies would become.

For me, I'm of the opinion that we need to VASTLY raise the pay of these telemarketer-politicians. I think Reps should make a cool 2 mill a year; senators, too. Paying crap for a job that is this important gets you idiots like this. The average Valley dev makes more than a senator, and we are getting what we pay for.

When the highest paid state employee is usually a college sports coach, can you really be shocked that America is circling the crapper?
That just causes people to run for the $ which would cause even bigger problems. Granted they should get a good pay but 2 mill? No.
 
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Have you ever dealt with Senator Feinstein? She is an extremely self centered individual who feels as if she knows better than anyone. Unfortunately, she has a significant amount of political power that allows her to remain in office.
Nope, but she's not all that different than your garden variety little Fascist Statist Authoritarian know it all.
 
So this creates a market for disposable untraceable smart phones. If you are a criminal, you already know what to do and are already doing it. Stuff like this always hurts the common person.
 
My company requires all PC hard drives to be encrypted when we travel abroad. If encryption itself becomes illegal, I can only imagine how many trade secrets will start disappearing with lost or stolen laptops.
 
And so it continues....

Just this one time?
It's for the security of our nation against terrorism?


http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-to-keep-pushing-apple-to-unlock-iphone-in-new-york-case-1460128066

U.S. to Keep Pushing Apple to Unlock iPhone in New York Case

Justice Department says it will pursue a court order requiring help from Apple

April 8, 2016 3:38 p.m. ET

The Justice Department said on Friday it will seek a court order to force Apple Inc. to help unlock an iPhone seized as part of a New York drug investigation, another sign the fight between Washington and Silicon Valley over encryption is far from over.

Apple’s lawyers fired back that they intend to press the federal prosecutors to explain exactly why they can’t get into the iPhone on their own and want the names of any companies that are helping with the effort, citing the recent announcement by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that it had found a way to open a San Bernardino, Calif., terrorist’s cellphone.

“The government continues to require Apple’s assistance in accessing the data that it is authorized to search by warrant,’’ federal prosecutors in Brooklyn wrote to U.S. District Judge Margo Brodie.

The Brooklyn case emerged as a legal test in the fight over encryption and privacy last year, but it was overshadowed for months by a bigger fight over the locked iPhone of Syed Rizwan Farook, who along with his wife killed 14 people and injured 22 others in a shooting at a Dec. 2 holiday party of county workers in San Bernardino.

In the California case, the Justice Department had gone to court to try to force Apple to write a piece of software to help them open that phone but abruptly backed out of that legal confrontation when an unidentified third party showed the Federal Bureau of Investigation a way to access the phone’s data.

The new filing shows that while the political heat surrounding the encryption issue may have dimmed with the end of the San Bernardino case, the government is pushing ahead with its legal strategy. By continuing to fight the Brooklyn case, the Justice Department hopes to win one or more court rulings upholding its authority to compel companies like Apple to assist in investigations by opening devices or decrypting data.

Lawyers for Apple said they were disappointed but not surprised by the government’s move, and that the courts should be skeptical about the government’s claims of needing Apple’s help to open phones, given what happened in the San Bernardino case. The Apple lawyers said they want government officials to provide much more detail about investigators’ efforts to open the New York phone.

An Apple lawyer said the company plans to try to force the government to answer specific questions about its phone-hacking efforts, including what companies and government agencies it has consulted with and what methods it has tried. It wants officials to explain why they believe only Apple can open the phone.
 
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This bill would make government data just as vulnerable as everyone else's. That's likely what will ultimately kill the bill. They could add language to exempt government systems from the requirements, but that would first make it obvious that they know you can't make data selectively unsecure. It also wouldn't work anyway, because govt uses enough off-the-shelf gear that attempting to exclude govt from the inherent vulnerabilities introduced by the bill would be impossible.
 
Might as well bring back stop and frisk and expand it to include random house searches. After all, it is for the good of the people.
 
In all seriousness, life was possible before smart phones.

Was possible before the introduction of agriculture too. Point doesn't work.

Remember that technology is evolving along specific paths and the "smartphone" has become the lead piece in that current evolution. Break the protection and disrupt the evolution. We can regress or grow. Bills like these push regression.
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Proof? Instead of the ad hominem attack, how about explaining what is wrong with the bill.
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Read the bill as currently written. Then map what it wants vs. what is says vs. how to accomplish this vs. penalties. Multiple contradictions is the minimum. Then you can start adding in the generalizations, the aspects that say do this this way and you end up with a WTH? ate the end.

Will this pass as is? no. It still needs to be completed, pass the Senate, a House version introduced, the House version pass, collaboration on a combines Bill, pass both the Senate and House and have the President sign it.

Bet it dies.
 
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THE ONLY PEOPLE in the world, it seems, who believe in the conspiracy theory of history are those of us who have studied it. While Franklin D. Roosevelt might have exaggerated when he said “Nothing happens in politics by accident; if it happens, it was planned that way,” Carroll Quigley – Bill Clinton’s favourite professor at Georgetown University – boldly admitted in his Tragedy & Hope that (a) the multitudes were already under the control of a small but powerful group bent on world domination and (b) Quigley himself was a part of that group.
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a person with a psychopathic personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc.


What epithet do you prefer? Slightly disturbed, maybe?

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Nice. There are some screwballs in the world, but not everything is connected. Like any good conspiracy goof, you jump to a pic of the abuse at a terrorist prison camp. And that relates to this topic how?!? Wait, I shouldn't ask that because I'm sure you have a meandering, incomprehensible explanation for that.
Bottom line - you know those crazy goofs on the street corners every once in a while saying the "end is near". Remember the Nike cult who thought the millennium was going to be the end for all? Well, you sound like the cyber version of those guys. Don't be that guy. The rest of the folks here are trying to have a rational discussion.
 
The problem with the government today is that it serves big corporate interests over the needs of the people. A big government in a healthy functioning democracy (which the US is not right now) isn't inherently bad. A president like Bernie Sanders would get big policy changes passed in the congress and senate not by force, but by keeping the American people much more informed and involved in the process (like he has with his campaign), and putting a spotlight on our ineffective leaders in a way we haven't seen in years (or ever). They'd either shape up or ship out.

That is the silliest thing I have ever read, never in the history of the world has there ever been a big powerful government that wasn't bad and did bad things to its people. Bernie sanders would be absolutely terrible for freedom and individual liberty and his laughably terrible policies would set us back centuries.
 
That is the silliest thing I have ever read, never in the history of the world has there ever been a big powerful government that wasn't bad and did bad things to its people. Bernie sanders would be absolutely terrible for freedom and individual liberty and his laughably terrible policies would set us back centuries.
Who's "us"?
 
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"The standards for "developed nation" are rapidly changing" - translation, Europe has moved to the left, so the US should as well. Not all change is good. Europe politics has created a ton of problems that the left-leaning media will not talk about.

Europe hasn't moved to the left at all - in fact, it's been quite the reverse (look at the austerity measures they've been pushing since the financial crisis). Besides, if you're thinking about it in terms of "left" and "right" then you're living in the past - it's not about political dogma, it's about improving peoples' lives. Sure, Europe does have problems, but none of those policies have anything to do with them.

Let's take Britain as an example. The National Health Service was founded in 1948 - nearly 70 years ago, and only 3 years after WW2 ended! It's not 'new', and the idea of guaranteed universal healthcare is not just theoretical but actually exists. People have been born and lived to a ripe old age in Britain without ever knowing a time where professional healthcare was something you might not have access to.

Access to higher education was guaranteed with the Education Act 1962, which mandated grants to cover tuition fees for those who could not afford them. That's kind of misleading though, since the government had already been doing that since the end of WW2; that law just cemented it in place.

The UK also introduced Statutory Sick Pay in the Social Security Contributions and Benefits Act 1992. The USA later introduced a comparable law (Family and Medical Leave Act 1993), but only guaranteed the employee couldn't be fired - it didn't provision for any family or medical leave to be paid.

So these are not really new policies. Most of them predate the EU. They are not to blame for things like the sovereign debt crisis (Germany, for example, offers all of these things and wasn't in the debt-crisis Greece or Italy were in), the refugee crisis, or anything like that. I can't think of any major problems any of these policies have caused in Europe.

The USA needs somebody like Tony Blair to snap them out of this ideology fetish. His legacy has been destroyed by the Iraq war, but in most other respects he was a groundbreaking politician:

Tony Blair in 2001 said:
Our values are the right ones for this age: the power of community, solidarity, the collective ability to further the individual's interests.

People ask me if I think ideology is dead. My answer is:

In the sense of rigid forms of economic and social theory, yes.

The 20th century killed those ideologies and their passing causes little regret. But, in the sense of a governing idea in politics, based on values, no. The governing idea of modern social democracy is community. Founded on the principles of social justice. That people should rise according to merit not birth; that the test of any decent society is not the contentment of the wealthy and strong, but the commitment to the poor and weak.

But values aren't enough. The mantle of leadership comes at a price: the courage to learn and change; to show how values that stand for all ages, can be applied in a way relevant to each age.

Our politics only succeed when the realism is as clear as the idealism.

The USA still lives in terms of "rigid forms of economic and social theory" - the idea that you either have unbridled free-market capitalism or totally centrally-planned Marxism, and that there is no "third way". Somebody needs to wake the country up to the idea of realism.
 
With all that is wrong with this bill all you can think of is to attack her looks and then remind us that she is a woman (and worse?) a Jew.
A woman is a human being. A Jew is a human being. And, surprise, surprise, so are men and so are non-Jews. Such is therefore irrelevant. But the fact remains that upon close inspection she really does resemble Emperor Palpatine in drag, even more so when we consider the evil she is hell-bent on bring our way, eliminating end-to-end encryption. Both she and the equally appealing Republican, who in many ways makes Emperor Palpatine look handsome, should be objections of our condemnation, not praise. A knock at their looks may seem beneath an intellectual mind until we realize that most voters cast votes for people they find physically attractive. Lastly, condemning theBostonian for having condemned the condemnable is in itself worthy of condemnation. It's easy to point the finger at the other guy for his condemnation while forgetting that we are doing the same thing through our own condemnation of that other guy. Let us therefore focus our condemnation on the elected officials who seriously threaten the liberty and security of all Americans, not folks here in this forum who have no power or desire to harm a fly.
 
Like any good conspiracy goof, you jump to a pic of the abuse at a terrorist prison camp. And that relates to this topic how?!?
You objected to my use of the word psychopathic. So I gave the example of torture, something that is institutionalised by by the people we talk about. I think psychopathic is a mild description of their state of mind. Anyway it's just one example, there are endless more. These people are nothing more than organised criminals running a racket called government.

They spend $ 500.000.000, per person killed, "fighting terrorism". Compare that to the $ 10.000 per person killed they spend on fighting cancer or other major causes of people dying.

Don't define rational in terms of what is accepted by the state and main stream media, the world is bigger than that and you know it, you are a smart guy.
 
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You objected to my use of the word psychopathic. So I gave the example of torture, something that is institutionalised by by the people we talk about. I think psychopathic is a mild description of their state of mind. Anyway it's just one example, there are endless more. These people are nothing more than organised criminals running a racket called government.

They spend $ 500.000.000, per person killed, "fighting terrorism". Compare that to the $ 10.000 per person killed they spend on fighting cancer.

Don't define rational in terms of what is accepted by the state and main stream media, the world is bigger that that and you know it, you are a smart guy.

Ever heard of the tern 'you know just enough to be dangerous'? I know a few people like you. You take little snippets of this or that and then, without a filter, weave them all together into a grand scheme ... a theory with 10-thousand moving parts.
You had it right in earlier posts (I grazed over) when you at times described the government as incompetent and 'idiots'. So which one is it? Is the government made of incompetents bumblers who cant agree on just about anything, or this vast, incredibly organized secret force of tens of thousands all secretly working together to enslave us all?
I think you were more on target when you described them as bumblers.
 
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Is the government made of incompetents bumblers who cant agree on just about anything, or this vast, incredibly organized secret force of tens of thousands all secretly working together to enslave us all?

If you are really interested in understanding you will have to do some research on your own, apply your mind and intelligence. It requires more than raw data and none of this is binary - either or.

I think you will start doing that because You are the One.
 
Yeah, but good luck finding any reading material, once you get out in the general public.
:) They'll scan probably for common words/ideas like terrorsim, crime, etc to prevent it. In the bit more far future technology will become available to third parties and then we can expect anything. Crime based on reading passwords from brains, so people will have to switch purely to bio authentification; paparazzi scanning celebrities and tabloid healines like "The Dirtiest Thoughts Of Justin Bieber!" and much more. It'll be an interesting time.
 
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If you pay congressman 2 million a year, I and every other Joe blow in my district will run for office.
Most members of congress are not worth the money (free health ins. and free pension) they're already getting.
They are almost never at work
and when they do bother to show up they do nothing but fight and threaten to shut the place down. If you did that at YOUR job do you really think you'd get a raise?
 
Most members of congress are not worth the money (free health ins. and free pension) they're already getting.
They are almost never at work
and when they do bother to show up they do nothing but fight and threaten to shut the place down. If you did that at YOUR job do you really think you'd get a raise?

If you want them to work harder, make elections publicly funded.
 
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