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I refuse to even read their bill until they can prove that they can even define the word 'encryption.'
 
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What is absurd is that people keep defending a system designed to completely **** them over. The brainless followers of the religion of Statism is what makes the psychopathic criminals in charge able to stay in office perpetually.


Psychopathic? Just a little advice: You sound like one of those conservative (or liberal - pick your poison) radio talk show hosts who are constantly screaming at the top of their lungs about this or that OUTRAGE of the day, and fueling the birthers, the conspiracy theorists, and the people who think swat teams are poised to invade all our homes. Dial it down a notch or twenty, and peope may actually listen to you.
 
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Is it any surprise that the congressional approval rating is 9%. These Ass-Clowns are so out of touch with reality is isn't even funny.

Thankfully the lobbyist will be all over this and enough palms will be out and greased with campaign donations and it'll just be another day in the Senate for the Senators.
 
We had digital banking way way before today and the end-to-end "uncrackable" encryption being rolled out now. Thats my point.
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Definitely not trolling and I have a reasonable understanding (post grad maths degree). We have had digital banking and online communcation for decades without "uncrackable" end to end encryption. Whats changed now ? The companies are rolling this out for other reasons - profit, to avoid responsibility for policing whats on their sites and tonavoid litigation in the event their service is proven to be a tool in illegal activity

The number of exploit/hack/malware attempts going through the firewall on our 1gbps net connection looks a lot different now then it did back in the mid 90's when our internet connection was 6 multiplexed T1's, and some of our employees were bragging about their dual channel ISDN lines.

A lot of bank communication, at least "decades ago" were over private networks not accessible to millions of people without war dialing and trying to find and hack their way into open modems.
 
Is it any surprise that the congressional approval rating is 9%. These Ass-Clowns are so out of touch with reality is isn't even funny.

Thankfully the lobbyist will be all over this and enough palms will be out and greased with campaign donations and it'll just be another day in the Senate for the Senators.

I disagree with your description of congressional "people". Clowns are actually hard working people. Not a glamorous job, but still a job people enjoy doing. Also, clowns are not generally disliked here in the US.

A congress person is the exact opposite of a clown. A CP is about the laziest American worker, which means this person would die in the streets in a 3rd world nation. Not only are they generally lazy, they only work with one of their kind is executive in chief! Could you imagine if you/me tried to pull that at our jobs?!!

So no, congress people arent clowns. They are definitely asses. Big ones. More asses than jackasses for sure. Hyenas complain about congress people. Vultures complain about the loss of the profession to congress people.
 
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Not really, because they can count on the votes they buy through social programs, which often allows them to ignore the majority.
Social programs + programs that support corporatism, etc; the list of diners at the trough is huuuuuge. There's an insatiable appetite by various factions to take or control other people's property, thus other people's lives. The politicians don't really ignore the majorities, they parcel out the plunder to competing factions in such a way that will maintain their own positions. It's a partnership. It'll continue as long as America's mixed economy exists (or transitions to straight-out collectivism) or the treasury runs out of 'other people's money'.

Is it any surprise that the congressional approval rating is 9%.
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Yet they are re-elected, more often than not.
 
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We have had digital banking and online communcation for decades without "uncrackable" end to end encryption. Whats changed now ?
Criminals have gotten smarter. It's the same reason old-fashioned, insecure credit cards are no longer acceptable and have been phased out, or are in the process of being phased out. As attacks increase, defenses need to get better.

--Eric
 
this is ludacris
No, this is Ludacris:
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What's going on here is ludicrous :D
 
Ok, im with ya on this particular issue, but that horrible 'conspiracy theorist' propoganda of a video just turns me off completely. Let me guess, you also believe it was Bush who took down the twin towers, that the government is hiding ufo's, and that bigfoot exists.
THE ONLY PEOPLE in the world, it seems, who believe in the conspiracy theory of history are those of us who have studied it. While Franklin D. Roosevelt might have exaggerated when he said “Nothing happens in politics by accident; if it happens, it was planned that way,” Carroll Quigley – Bill Clinton’s favourite professor at Georgetown University – boldly admitted in his Tragedy & Hope that (a) the multitudes were already under the control of a small but powerful group bent on world domination and (b) Quigley himself was a part of that group.
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Psychopathic? ...Dial it down a notch or twenty, and peope may actually listen to you.
noun
1.
a person with a psychopathic personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc.


What epithet do you prefer? Slightly disturbed, maybe?

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This will only lead to some other means of encrypting data, such as per-app encryption or data stored in the cloud on encrypted servers outside of US jurisdiction. It's an exercise in futility, but that never stop these officials from overreaching in the first place.
 
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It's amazing politicians can just draft bills and pass laws when they have 0 expertise on the particular subject.

I wonder if there ever will be a day when decisions, law, politics and society will be driven by science, data, logic and reason. One can only hope.

The error you and nearly everyone else here is making is in assuming that politicians write the laws. In the U.S. Congress at least, it's the regulated industries who write the laws. This is why the comments from the regulated industries in this instance can be written on the back of an envelope, only without the envelope. Few have noticed this deafening silence, but those who have, and who also know how the system actually works, completely understand why they are so quiet.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
 
All that information is already available to hackers, data aggregation companies, and large tech corporations like Google. The government doesn't need to hack your phone at all. It's their Constitutional duty to address these issues in Congress as part of the legislative process. Would you rather they ignore the issue and let it be settled in the courts? This way the information is public and there can be a discussion. Is this bill crap? Yeah, but the mindless "government = bad" refrain is naive.

More people are killed by rednecks with guns than terrorists. I am not going to surrender my right to encryption to the government because they're looking for the easy way out, and can't think of any other way to do their job.

I'm also not willing to surrender my personal info so cops can chase after a handful of perverts and low level drug dealers. Let them do police work the old fashioned way - get off the desk and do real detective work.

They are trying to scare morons cowering in the corners into surrendering their constitutional right to privacy. You are still more likely to be shot by a redneck in a shopping center or movie theater or school than you are to be killed by a terrorist. I don't see anyone rushing out laws to "keep us safe" from lunatics who want open carry guns in church. This country is heading down the toilet fast.
 
Capitalism without restraints = Oligarchy? That's absurd.

Capitalism's restraint is the consumer. You don't want to support a company, then don't buy its products.

Such a narrow view. Unrestrained capitalism without regulation is always bad. Customers can't stop excesses. But this is not an argument there is no regulation, but clearly it's needed.
 
Now the goobers on the left will hopefully see just how dangerous the big government they support is and wake up to their mistakes.

The problem with the government today is that it serves big corporate interests over the needs of the people. A big government in a healthy functioning democracy (which the US is not right now) isn't inherently bad. A president like Bernie Sanders would get big policy changes passed in the congress and senate not by force, but by keeping the American people much more informed and involved in the process (like he has with his campaign), and putting a spotlight on our ineffective leaders in a way we haven't seen in years (or ever). They'd either shape up or ship out.
 
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Let's take the opinion of a 82 years old grandma, she probable has the same knowledge about IT as my mother does: none at all. It just shows that these dumb people pick-up subject they are totally ignorant about in order to some get publicity before elections, pathetic!
 
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Nobody wants a backdoor in iOS or suffer mad decryptions laws, not in any other operating system. And I agree, to some extend, but without any help from companies like Apple, we can't blame, say the FBI and NSA, for not doing enough/anything when another bomb goes off somewhere on this planet and one or more family members are lost.

So to what extend is your personal freedom and privacy more important than fighting criminals and terrorists? Saying no to everything doesn't help so what would be expectable to you?

No government official is asking for a backdoor because all tech companies have to bring up is the fact that a backdoor for the government is a backdoor for the bad guys too. The government has no answer to that. These days, no official wants to be caught on record asking for a backdoor because that's the end of their political career. They're trying to be diplomatic about it-say things like "tech companies and the government need to find common ground" or stuff like that but make no mistake. The government wants nothing less than a backdoor with which it can access anyone's data at any time. It's just that the government knows it has to frame its demands more carefully.

This is not a choice between "privacy and security." Nothing unites a populace like the threat of war or an attack from outside. Throughout history, governments have played on this fear to justify power grabs. The FBI is no different. The FBI is trying to imply that handing over your privacy protection will help law enforcement foil terror attacks. I don't think it's going to solve anything. One way or another, if terrorists want to communicate in secret, they'll do so. Strong encryption isn't some big secret. It boils down to math. In fact, the current top encryption standard AES used by the government was developed by two Belgian cryptographers who submitted their work as part of an NIST proposal. It takes a few smart computer scientists/mathematicians on a terrorist/criminal organization's payroll to develop strong encryption.

I am thoroughly disgusted by what is going on in the Senate. Apple didn't break any laws by appealing the court order. The day it becomes a crime to say "prove it" to the government, we have started walking down the path to a totalitarian state, where the people are turned into mindless drones of the government.
 
the criminally corrupt Feinstein

Proof? Instead of the ad hominem attack, how about explaining what is wrong with the bill.

Would it be misogynistic or antisemitic of me to observe that Dianne Feinstein looks like Emperor Palpatine in drag?

Misogynistic, yes. Just because you don't find Senator Feinstein attractive doesn't mean there is something wrong with the proposed legislation. Explain what is wrong with the bill, leaving out the part about why you prefer the appearance of some 20-something actress to that of Senator Feinstein.

Seriously, vast swaths of these threads are full of pointless personal attacks. If you think there is something wrong with this bill-- articulate it!
 
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I didn't say other governments are better. Pulling straws?
Besides, just because other governments are not as good doesn't mean this is excusable.
You're never going to find a politician that agrees with you on everything (despite what they say). If this is the one key issue that is a "make or break" for you, then go vote against them, or run for office, that's the deal.

Let me know how tech savvy you are when you're 82.

I'm just glad we don't have people (sure, it's a loose use of the term) like Mitch McConnell.
 
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