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for some reason i could totally see a future 70+ year old President saying "we can open a written diary and read the pages, we should be able to do that with anything". future 70+ year old congresspersons will legislate that and future 70+ year old supreme court justices will uphold it and the homogenization of things will continue. one people, one pool of data to draw from.
 
Capitalism without restraints = Oligarchy? That's absurd.

Capitalism's restraint is the consumer. You don't want to support a company, then don't buy its products.

No offense, but it doesn't sound like you've considered all the ways that corporations influence the laws in this country. Since the Supreme Court seems to believe that legal "entities" are citizens, maybe you don't care if China spends money through a corporation or lobbyist to influence our trade laws so we lose jobs that they gain all while we have a massive trade deficit with China. How does that benefit the people of this country other than the top 1% that own the corporations that send their jobs overseas only to send their products back to the USA with zero import duties or tariffs?

Don't buy their products? Show me a major textile manufacturer left in the United States that I can buy from so I don't have to buy them from low wage countries. Sorry, they're all gone. Why do you think we have Anti-Trust laws in the first place? It's because the natural course of humans running corporations without restraints like Anti-Trust laws will move to buyout and merge with other companies until they have a monopoly at which point Capitalism fails to live up to its promise of lower prices since there is no longer any competition left. Wages drop and jobs disappear and over time you have the top 1% and poverty and not much in-between, which is common in third world countries and even countries in the Middle Ages (royalty and peasants with few in-between until the industrial revolution started changing things) Is that a difficult concept to comprehend or do you want to still argue that Capitalism needs no other restraint but consumers not buying things? o_O

Now the goobers on the left will hopefully see just how dangerous the big government they support is and wake up to their mistakes.

Sorry, but both parties in the USA have been screwing over the public for decades now. Both parties owe their souls to someone. People should wake up to those facts and start supporting 3rd party candidates that actually give a crap about something other than making the rich richer or perpetually enabling freeloaders. Show me the party of the "middle class" and I'll show you fable. It's why I'd support an outsider even if I don't like them personally (like that jack-arse Trump) over establishment. The Republican Party HATES Trump for that reason alone. The Democrats are less threatened by Bernie Sanders in the short term, but they don't want the Wall Street status-quo changed either.

We don't need "socialism". We need a stronger Middle Class. We won't get it by "trickle down" (the greedy bastards at the top keep EVERY LAST DROP) and we won't get it by enabling freeloaders either. The answers have always been in the middle with reasonable restraints on corporations so they don't just pack up and leave the USA and ship products back from sweat-shop countries and reasonable restraints on spending so we don't send ourselves into oblivion. If you think either party has been good at doing both those things, think again.
 
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When the highest paid state employee is usually a college sports coach, can you really be shocked that America is circling the crapper?

In some ways it's like hero worship.


Not too much unlike those who idolized and worshipped Steve Jobs. His talent for turning customers into fanatics put Apple on the map. Put billions into Apple coffers, and influenced people across the globe.


If not for the modest yet exceedingly brilliant Steve Wozniak… Apple would be Vaporware.
 
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You are right about them not understanding it thats how Apple has managed to dodge $80 billion in taxes on its business
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Definitely not trolling and I have a reasonable understanding (post grad maths degree). We have had digital banking and online communcation for decades without "uncrackable" end to end encryption. Whats changed now ? The companies are rolling this out for other reasons - profit, to avoid responsibility for policing whats on their sites and tonavoid litigation in the event their service is proven to be a tool in illegal activity

Great that you have a post grad math degree... now go back and get a business degree so that you understand that Apple (and every other US Based international company) does what Apple does to not get double taxed and over taxed. You do understand that it's profits they made outside of the country, that are already taxed by other countries, that will be taxed again by the US if they bring it back? The problem is not Apple... it's bad business tax policy by the US that forces smart companies to do this.

Also, on encryption. We have survived on the current security? Maybe you should Google the current stats on cyber crime? It's hardly working now and I believe the biggest threat we have is cyber attacks by radical groups. Better and more security is not a bad thing and if Apple can deliver and profit from it, more power to them.
 
Strange isn't it.

We accept and are happy that "other people - who we don't know"

Can access our bank accounts, our passport information, our pension information, be able to get into our cars if needed, be able to get into our homes if needed, examine our wages, probably every single thing about you, data wise we accept as being able to get to, by "the right people"
Yet our phones OMG Nooooooooooooooooo.

But if we lost our house or car keys, would be demand it impossible that anyone could help us get back in again?
 
This thread reminds me of an Onion article.

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Strange isn't it.

We accept and are happy that "other people - who we don't know"

Can access our bank accounts, our passport information, our pension information, be able to get into our cars if needed, be able to get into our homes if needed, examine our wages, probably every single thing about you, data wise we accept as being able to get to, by "the right people"
Yet our phones OMG Nooooooooooooooooo.

But if we lost our house or car keys, would be demand it impossible that anyone could help us get back in again?


Most of the powers you mention are the catch 22 of US citizenship/alien status and having a SSN/ITIN number.

They are also in place for when needed for investigations. So where did the 500K come from Mr. Smith. We see no form XYZ for gambling, inheritance etc. also worth noting this is backfiring these days as the bad guys have gotten really good at doing laundry. That money....comes out nice and clean these days. Hell they make some good money on investments with it I imagine as well.


Also its not just phones. Wording of the draft has this encompassing a lot more. Its looking at communications as a whole. Phone just on the skylight of late....lots of things have encryption. Slippery slope....this is it.

And the house analogy weak. Data is a separate issue. You will not know if a bored or corrupt admin at your favored cloud provider wanders into your data if they do this right. Admin powers are like that.

I control the share drives, the backups of the sharedrives of my company. Also an exchange admin. I want to see data...its seen. Just so happens I have work ethics and the personal belief that the less I know the better off I am so unless dictated by work need to be up in peoples data...I don't wander into this stuff. I really have better things to worry about tbh lol. No trouble calls put in for the the share drives all week is a week I don't even open it up beyond my folder and do other things of more importance.

Can I say the same for nameless admin at cloud vendor.com? Nope. Why I have the encryption that if I forget the password the data is dead to me. Without the password....its dead to them as well by and large (can crack it via bruise force maybe...time and money involved).

Your house broken into you will know. Door open/window broken, crap thrown about, the burglars possible still in the house even.
 
It should be a rule that in order for you to be in politics, you have to fully understand what it is your politicking for or against. These people have no idea how any of this works.
 
Sorry but I still think many here are not being honest.
Why do I say that, and what do I mean you ask?

What I mean is, it's fine and easy to Rant, Complain and stand up for THE GREATER GOOD when it's something that does not affect you personally.

It's like the way, many people will slag off, and moan at the police, Hate the Pigs and other such remarks, but boy, when THEIR home is burgled, their car stolen, or their daughter raped.. BLAM it's straight onto the phone DEMANDING action and for help to deal with the problem that now affect them.

This is true of course, even if we don't like to admit it.

Show me a person who has lost their life savings, lost their home, Daughter been kidnapped, and has the balls when told "we will have to hack into the phone to solve the crime, get your money, home, daughter back"

If that person says "NO. I stand by my believe, I will willingly give up my Money, Home, Daughter for the Greater Good"
Then I will be mighty impressed by that person, they have the balls and bottle to stand by their believe.

Sadly I suspect most people. The rules change and sod the greater good as it's affecting ME now.
 
Great that you have a post grad math degree... now go back and get a business degree so that you understand that Apple (and every other US Based international company) does what Apple does to not get double taxed and over taxed. You do understand that it's profits they made outside of the country, that are already taxed by other countries, that will be taxed again by the US if they bring it back? The problem is not Apple... it's bad business tax policy by the US that forces smart companies to do this....

The profits Apple makes from selling iPhones outside of USA are peanuts compared to the profits "Apple" makes by selling their patents to Apple's shell company in Ireland at a very low cost (therfore the profits from patent sales in usa is low). I put Apple in quotation marks because it is Apple's shell company in Ireland that is making the profits. Apple, the company in USA, has to pay huge patent licensing fees to the shell company in Ireland.

That is how huge profits are made outside of USA, by cheating. Yeah it is legal but describe that patent shell game to a normal person and they would say that is money laundering. Double taxed lol. That is a red hearing Apple wants people to be thinking about and center the discussion around that while ignoring the game Apple plays with patents.

Do you seriously think there are tons of iPhones sold in Ireland?

Source: http://appleinsider.com/articles/13...se-loophole-apple-uses-to-avoid-high-us-taxes
... The process involves setting up an Irish subsidiary, such as Apple's headquarters in Cork, which is paid profits on products sold in the U.S. as royalties on patents owned by the company. These patents are assigned to an offshore entity located in a no-tax country, like the Caribbean, meaning Irish tax is not applicable to said income. ...​
 
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Most members of congress are not worth the money (free health ins. and free pension) they're already getting.
They are almost never at work
and when they do bother to show up they do nothing but fight and threaten to shut the place down. If you did that at YOUR job do you really think you'd get a raise?
To be honest, I'd rather that they argue, bicker, and not pass laws. It's kind of funny, when you read the US Constitution, there are 13 things that the US Congress is supposed to do, and the rest of things are relegated to the States. However, when the US Senate became a 2nd House of Representatives in 1913, it was all down hill from there. There is no "second chamber of cooler heads," but a bunch of people kowtowing to the tempers of the People every 6 years, then back to 5 years of whatever they want to do (see McCain, John, Mister "Maverick "every 6 years, then Mr. "I want to be a Democrat too!" on the other 5.).

For those that say, "But what about the People? Why don't they get to elect the Senators?"
I say this, "You do have a House in the Federal Government. The House of Representatives. The States don't have any say in the Federal Government, but the Federal Government passes legislation that forces the States to do things. How is that fair?"
 
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Great that you have a post grad math degree... now go back and get a business degree so that you understand that Apple (and every other US Based international company) does what Apple does to not get double taxed and over taxed. You do understand that it's profits they made outside of the country, that are already taxed by other countries, that will be taxed again by the US if they bring it back? The problem is not Apple... it's bad business tax policy by the US that forces smart companies to do this.

I always have a hard time with people who don't understand that. I think Apple should pay american taxes for what they sell in america, irish taxes for what they sell in ireland, etc. Except the US of the friggin A, wants to tax apple for any sale they make anywhere in the world. So then Apple would have to pay US taxes on ALL sales, other country taxes on their sales, etc, etc. NO OTHER COUNTRY does this. A+ that at least one person here knows why NO company wants to bring everything to America.

It's like the way, many people will slag off, and moan at the police, Hate the Pigs and other such remarks, but boy, when THEIR home is burgled, their car stolen, or their daughter raped.. BLAM it's straight onto the phone DEMANDING action and for help to deal with the problem that now affect them.

WRONG! They are still worthless on many occasions from personal experience. Even if your daughter is raped they will do very little because they have "too many cases". I waited 9 months for a security tape that caused personal harm, and when the company finally was ready to give it up, the investigators were on vacation for 2 f***ing months. Don't you dare say that somehow cops will even bother doing their job when given access to this stuff. They have access to a lot of things, but they don't use it. Just like this FBI case. The FBI HAD access to other companies that were willing to break the phone, but they were lazy, turned the lazy route and asked apple to do their job.

If that person says "NO. I stand by my believe, I will willingly give up my Money, Home, Daughter for the Greater Good"
Then I will be mighty impressed by that person, they have the balls and bottle to stand by their believe.

WRONG again! What about the hundreds of thousands of people who are going to have lost stolen bank account #'s, their kids potentially kidnapped because their location will be easily found via their phones, their most intimate personal information revealed, all their contact information leaked out and ENDLESS phishing and people falling for all sorts of scamming losing their identities money. You are worried that a house robbery can be solved by the police because you think somehow a phone can solve that? What about the thousands of robberies that will be possible because crooks will know your location and when you are home or not home.

What you are basically saying is that if my wife is being raped but my house is open, the cops can quickly come in and stop the crime since they were not worried about the lock. Yet, you are not addressing the fact that the crook was in my house BECAUSE the door was open.

You all think that once encryption is gone from phones that somehow crime solving rates will just sky rocket and crime will go down. It won't! For crying out loud you can go online and get simple scripts/software that will hijack a site (if it's not encrypted well enough) and you can pull anything off it you want. Without encryption, anyone can get tools like that an easily hack into phones and commit far better and more planned out crimes.

So don't do that daughter being raped BS. Your daughter will be raped BECAUSE you are throwing away the locks, giving keys to everyone closing your eyes and hope only the good guys will use those keys.
 
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Dianne Feinstein, 82-year-old senator from California: RETIRE.
What's next? Blame and charge manufacturers when unbalanced extremists kill while using products of those manufacturers?
 
I always have a hard time with people who don't understand that. I think Apple should pay american taxes for what they sell in america, irish taxes for what they sell in ireland, etc.

What about the patents Apple invents in USA? Apple sells those patents for pennies to their shell company outside of USA and then pays taxes on those pennies. Next Apple pays that shell company licensing fees to use those patents inside the iphone and uses that expense as a deduction to pay even less tax in USA. That is how Apple makes the majority of their profits outside of USA.

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway...ax-avoidance-how-ordinary-it-is/#7e3418104d94
"Transfer pricing is the way firms use internal bookkeeping to allocate expenses among various affiliates. For a company like Apple, nearly all the value of its products is in its patents and other intellectual property. By charging a relative pittance to a foreign subsidiary for use of that IP, it can maximize that affiliate’s profit and minimize its IP income in the U.S."​
 
Bernie is slightly to the left of Nixon, who, by today's standards, is a radical liberal.

The way he sells the message, not caring one wit how you get there, makes him a radical, not the end point.
He seems to not realize what country he actually lives in and how things get done; he talks like a 1960s leftist forgetting why they haven't succeeded. He seems to want everything right now and don't understand pushback that will come with that.

Many of his fans, with talk of voting Trump of all people! perfectly explain why I think he, and them are deluded; they think that if you blow everything up you can pick up the pieces and build a better world; well, all history is littered with the remains of such thinking.

Also, he seemingly has a misunderstanding of how those socialist European countries actually work. What he wants is some kind of idealized 1960s version of them.

I'm in Canada, so if he just points to us as were he wants to be eventually (but even there I feel he has no real clue how things work here); I'm OK with that if he actual informs himself on this reality.

He must understand it takes a hell of a job to get there, especially in country fractured left-right like the US; this includes not alienating the people you have to work with eventually even in your own party.

In Canada, things got done because it came through consensus, not someone trying to ram things through. Even here, if you try to push things through, things don't go so well (National Energy program of the 1970s have very long term repercussions, including the rise of a more right wing branch of the conservatives).

Canada has a huge number of fist generation immigrants btw, 22% (28% in Ontario), less wealth than the US; but all and all, our policy have not led to the kind of fractured scism politics there is the US.
 
As soon as I saw Feinstein's picture, I knew something bad was coming.
I've watched her pandering antics ever since she rose to power after Harvey Milk was killed.

She is one of the most dangerous people in America, right alongside the Hildebeast.
I wouldn't be surprised to see her as Hilliary's VP...

I am getting more pessimistic of my country's longevity by the day now.
I wish Canada wasn't so cold... Colorado's bad enough.

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