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As a non American I feel the easiest way around this would be don't select America as your country when you start up your new iPhone, the software will load as the "non FBI accessable" version and a yank can continue knowing the government wasted their time and money...no? Or is this going to be a USA has it the world has it kind of thing?
 
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The most embarrassing thing about Feinstein is that the voters keep electing her... Every time she speaks she demonstrates ignorance or just plain lunacy - yet she keeps getting reelected.

Booting an incumbent is not easy. I've resorted to emailing her (if she can even work a computer at her age).

Besides her usual lunacy, she isn't technology savvy despite having the world's most valuable technology company in the same state.
 
Don't kid yourself, her power base includes all of the important California industries.

Oh well, no good can come from this discussion. Lots of fist-shaking going on, but mainly in the wrong direction.

Take a look at her top contributors both from a financial and infrastructure perspective. From the tech side (Apple, Google, etc..) there is very little.
Now from a lobbyist's perspective in DC, that I don't know.
As for her seat opponents, she is giving the group (see my previous response) what they want from a Democratic Party perspective allowing her to get away with a lot. Love to see her actually debate an opponent so folks can see how mired in time a lot of her ideals are.
My perspective - never voted for her.
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Maybe someone can help me with this question I have: what about Apps with end-to-end encryption? I understand that, in its entirety, the iPhone's contents can be encrypted and Big Brother wants a backdoor. But what about Apps? Couldn't "criminals/pedophiles/politicians" just keep their sensitive data within a single encrypted app? In this case, Apple will have zero power over this encryption and we can't expect a smaller developer to assist the government with multiple phones.

Sure, the govt can shut them down, but 10 more will pop up. And they'll have no power over off-shore developers.

Depending on the app or cert, yes. Over 2/3 of the commercially available encryption is non-US.
Personally I use Wickr and Proton Mail.

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Will someone PLEASE post their office numbers & email addresses, so we can be heard by them?

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/e-mail-me
https://www.burr.senate.gov
 
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All the tech giants like Google, Yahoo!, Twitter, Facebook, Mozilla, Wikimedia, etc.. need to do more than just sending tweets of support and really get behind Apple on this issue (I would include Microsoft, but with the release of Windows 10 it's quite clear where they stand on protecting our data).

The government will ruin the Internet as we know it if we let them.
 
It's privacy/civil rights vs national security. This country and others are on a war footing wether one wants to think of it as such or not. During war, certain civil liberties are temporarily suspended in the name of national security. But it seems this war could go on indefinitely or at least for several more years, maybe even escalate.

People seem to have adjusted to being basically treated like criminals in an airport with probably good reason so why would one think they will be able to keep their personal data unserachable like a building that is impossible to break into with a court ordered search warrant. You can kick and scream all you want about it but unless the world changes it's coming.
 
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All the tech giants like Google, Yahoo!, Twitter, Facebook, Mozilla, Wikimedia, etc.. need to do more than just sending tweets of support and really get behind Apple on this issue (I would include Microsoft, but with the release of Windows 10 it's quite clear where they stand on protecting our data).

The government will ruin the Internet as we know it if we let them.
The tech giants are like juveniles, only care about themselves, superficial and hypocritical, they fail to truly understand the government. Young and bright, yet woefully ignorant outside of their area of expertise.
 
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It's privacy/civil rights vs national security. This country and others are on a war footing wether one wants to think of it as such or not. During war, certain civil liberties are temporarily suspended in the name of national security. But it seems this war could go on indefinitely or at least for several more years, maybe even escalate.

People seem to have adjusted to being basically treated like criminals in an airport with probably good reason so why would one think they will be able to keep their personal data unserachable like a building that is impossible to break into with a court ordered search warrant. You can kick and scream all you want about it but unless the world changes it's coming.

That is a perceptual issue. By definition we, the USA, is not at war. To say we are and to allude that to suspended civil rights ... :cool:
 
As a computer science student and political aspirant, the level of technical ignorance displayed by some politicians while happily legislating in a field they clearly know nothing about never ceases to shock and disappoint me.

Politicians are paid to be informed on important topics. In the 21st century that includes all manners of data security and internet freedom. I fear for when these people have to deal with serious looming threats such as strong artificial intelligence.

Hopefully people more like me will be in power by then, or we're all doomed.
 
Say what you like about Bernie, but he's the only one in this race with any integrity.
Probably true, but considering all the other openly crazy people it makes me skeptical, lol. At one point even Ben Carson seemed decent and he turned out to be maybe the craziest one!
 
I think there is some kind of bell curve at play here, since commons sense does not seem to development until about 40 or 45 and then goes away completely somewhere around 80.

So are you for Ted Cruz(44), and not Hillary Clinton(68), Donald Trump(69), or Bernie Sanders(74)?
 
Yes,

Let's let children rule the world, rather than old people just acting like children.

Old people acting like mindless corporate sycophants...
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Elected officials usually pander to whoever is "loudest", in a numbers sense... they NEED votes to keep their jobs so if something they do proves unpopular- it behooves them to abandon it.

And money is 'speech', remember. Scalia sided with the other retards on the SCOTUS to make that possible.
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The most embarrassing thing about Feinstein is that the voters keep electing her... Every time she speaks she demonstrates ignorance or just plain lunacy - yet she keeps getting reelected.

I think it's more about who the republicans throw on the wall to see if they stick. One was a real loser...
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Proof positive that San Francisco Liberals are a very powerful political mob...

Yeah, keep singing that song. It gets harder to listen to over the years.

The real mob are on Wall Street, and in Kansas... Name starts with a 'K'...
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As a computer science student and political aspirant, the level of technical ignorance displayed by some politicians while happily legislating in a field they clearly know nothing about never ceases to shock and disappoint me.

Politicians are paid to be informed on important topics. In the 21st century that includes all manners of data security and internet freedom. I fear for when these people have to deal with serious looming threats such as strong artificial intelligence.

Hopefully people more like me will be in power by then, or we're all doomed.

Ironic that within the first days of the 'Great GOP Revolution' the majority GOP peons killed the Office of Science and Technology, which used to advise the Congress of technological matters. Why, I guess the GOP thought that their cadre of corporate lobbyists were just fine to 'advise' them on 'the current state of the industry'. Why would they lie...

THIS is what happens when Congress works in a bubble, insulated from everything that would help them make good legislation.
 
The most embarrassing thing about Feinstein is that the voters keep electing her... Every time she speaks she demonstrates ignorance or just plain lunacy - yet she keeps getting reelected.

Yup, says something about the people in Cali doesn't it?
idiots
 
Although it may indeed be misogynistic and antisemitic, now that you have said it, i cannot see her otherwise. :D

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Perfect catch! They are just visually similar in many ways. :D
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Think of all that information that gets encrypted into people's brains. Private thoughts are a haven for terrorism!!! How can we ever be safe???

#boycottBrains
If this is ever decrypt-able? Reading someone's mind or so. :D
 
Oh calm down, you already know him and he certainly doesn't hide his intentions. Some of you fear and respect him. In the end all of you will learn to love Big Brother.

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If this bill ever becomes law is the day I throw my cell phone in the trash and go "off the grid".

Ve vill make you so safe. Ve vill protect you from all our ememies. And Ve vill have great marching music too, from such a small band in zee truck, see 1:46. Ve vill only read your email and messages when Ve think it is necessary. You can trust us, what could go wrong.

 
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A draft of an encryption bill created by Senate Intelligence Committee leaders Richard Burr and Dianne Feinstein was released last night, revealing the scope of the legislation that would require technology companies to decrypt data and share it in an "intelligible format" when served with a legal order.

The Compliance with Court Orders Act of 2016, a copy of which was shared by Re/code, starts out by declaring "no person or entity is above the law." It says that all providers of communication services and products, from hardware to software, must both protect the privacy of residents of the United States through "implementation of appropriate data security," while still respecting the "rule of law" and complying with legal requirements and court orders to provide information stored either on devices or remotely.

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In acknowledgement of the disagreement between the FBI and Apple, the legislation does include a clause that prevents it from authorizing "any government officer to require or prohibit any specific design or operating system to be adopted by any covered entity," and it shies away from specific technical demands, but the wording of the act itself, with no contingencies for inaccessible data, makes end-to-end encryption impossible. Any data encrypted by companies must also be able to be decrypted.

Security experts have heavily criticized the bill. Daniel Castro of the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation told Re/code the bill "sets up a legal paradox" while the ACT/App Association said it amounts to a government-mandated back door. Security researcher Jonathan Zdziarski says the entire bill is dangerous, calling it "a hodgepodge of technical ineptitude combined with pockets of contradiction."In a report yesterday, Reuters said the White House has decided not to offer public support for the legislation, as "the administration remains deeply divided on the issue." The bill is still in draft form, with the language subject to changes based on input from stakeholders. In a joint statement, Burr and Feinstein said they hope to have a final version completed soon.

Note: Due to the political nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Senate Draft Encryption Bill Called 'Absurd,' 'Dangerous,' and Technically Inept
It is unnerving the lack of understanding the people in charge have regarding technology. Sen. Feinstein is 85 years of age and I think it is a fair assumption that she does not keep up with the current technology nor the repercussions of such.
 
The most embarrassing thing about Feinstein is that the voters keep electing her... Every time she speaks she demonstrates ignorance or just plain lunacy - yet she keeps getting reelected.
It gave you an idea about Californian voters.
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It is unnerving the lack of understanding the people in charge have regarding technology. Sen. Feinstein is 85 years of age and I think it is a fair assumption that she does not keep up with the current technology nor the repercussions of such.
Doesn't matter. People kept voting for her to be in her position.
 
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