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Totalitarian BS. This invasion into privacy rights and corporate governance in the name of national security not only is wrong but it's done by out-of-touch Luddites that are more interested in lining their pockets with money from the information extracted from monitored individuals. Their legislation also makes no sense. It's like saying "we want you to create a secure system that you can unlock with a single password only given to our organization". It's an insecure system that will lead to mass security breaches within the first hour it is created.
 
This isn't a matter of right vs. left anymore, it seems that in a lot of Western countries both sides have gotten a disturbing increase in megalomaniac, technically inept, borderline fascist politicians that have gone above and beyond to be allowed 100% access to any information on any citizen. The Tories in the UK, the helm of the EU, both Republicans and Democrats in the US, where is this going to? We need to push all of these idiots out before 2020 will be a whole lot more like 1984.
Borderline facist is being kind. Taking control of a population is rather simple. Let education fall by the wayside, create or accentuate a boogyman man from whom the government will protect you.

Then build a huge beauracracy entangling and encompassing numerous branches of government, with a catchy name like, Fatherland, Motherland, no wait, Homeland Security.

Pass laws removing rights, and jugicial safeguards, like habeous corpus, right to council, right to stand before your accuser, and speedy trial, establish secret courts, roving surveillance, delayed notification of search warrants, use of national security letters with gag order, the USA Patriot Act. Pass the legislation rapidly while the perceived threat level is high, 48 hours after final wording. Does Crystal Night sound familiar.

Then elect a savior that will cure all ills and bring back the country that is not great any more, pick your current favorite candidate.

Worked quite well in the 1930s Germany. History has a way of repeating itself. If you keep doing the same things, isn't expecting a different outcome to be an act of lunacy.

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Isn't this something that a totalitarian state does?
Well yes it kinda is, isn't it. Just read a little history.
 
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Because he is a boring cookie-cutter generic old white guy that NOBODY has heard of before, and NOBODY even knew he existed before this recent article. Kinda like Kasich. No one is going to waste time bashing and attacking him… because he just doesn't matter.
He does matter. Diane is the one who is not running for reelection.
 
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Patriot, Patriot, Patriot.............but this too shall be rewritten in future history books. Just like the word slavery has been removed from Texas history school books.
 
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No it's not. This is.
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I think you mean ludicrous. :D
On topic. Ignorance and opportunism is a caustic mix. Ignorance of encryption, how it works, and it's importance. Opportunistic politicians during election season latching onto a hot button topic for exposure.

Politics at it's best is a ****show. Doesn't matter Rep or Dem, red and blue give the citizens a purple eye.

edit: Apple should repatriate some of that cash mountain and create a lobbying arm. That's the only thing that gets a response from congress. Not cynicism, just fact.

You win the "Post of the Day" award. Well done, sir.
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Nobody wants a backdoor in iOS or suffer mad decryptions laws, not in any other operating system. And I agree, to some extend, but without any help from companies like Apple, we can't blame, say the FBI and NSA, for not doing enough/anything when another bomb goes off somewhere on this planet and one or more family members are lost.

So to what extent is your personal freedom and privacy more important than fighting criminals and terrorists? Saying no to everything doesn't help so what would be expectable to you?

Maybe the terrorists need to go. I sometimes wonder at what point the world will say enough is enough. What would Frank Underwood do?

Oh yeah, I happened to watch 1984 (Hurt & Burton) last night and it's more chilling than I remember. It looks totally different in my forties than it did in my twenties. Probably because it already started in the 1990's. Lot's of Thought Crime occurring out there...
 
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Didn't anyone else see the picture of the two senators that drafted the bill?

Put on the glasses.

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That was one creepy movie!
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Don't be so naive. Of course they understand the purpose of encryption. That is why they want to ban it just like governments around the world are trying to ban paper money.

Really??? Then all the experts criticizing this bill must be as naive as I am...
I don't believe I have said anything different that what has already been said by these 'naive' experts.
Please grab your dictionary and search for the meaning of the word "inept" used in the title of this post; then reconsider whether I am as 'naive' as you claimed before or not.
 
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We should not expect anything less from a government which is too bloated and which continues to live in the last century. We need new leadership across the board, and need to start thinking different (with all due respect to Steve Jobs and Apple's slogan from ... the last century). Bernie can't do it, Hillary can't do it, Trump can't do it ... none of the current lot have the necessary vision and innovative thinking.
 
yet 95% of this forum would vote for bernie sanders. multiple times

The weirdest thing is that people even think Bernie Sanders is a radical. If he ran his platform in any other developed nation, they'd shrug and tell him they have all of those things already (free university education, guaranteed universal healthcare, a decent minimum wage, paid family & medical leave).

The standards for "developed nation" are rapidly changing, and truth be told, the USA is getting left behind. Americans, like everybody else, are benefitting from cheap international travel and communication, and they're discovering that there is another way.

Let's not take it too far off-topic, though. Major political change is needed, I think we can agree on that.
 
Don't be so naive. Of course they understand the purpose of encryption. That is why they want to ban it just like governments around the world are trying to ban paper money.

Even the very title of this bill tells you they don't give the tiniest fart about the underlying questions. They think Apple challenging a court order in court, with arguments based in law is somehow tantamount to Apple putting itself above the law.

Don't be afraid to read it - it's very, very short. That's why everybody's so concerned - it doesn't address any nuances, it contains very strange definitions (such as "technical assistance" - which apparently means Apple themselves having to isolate the data, decrypt it and transmit it to law-enforcement... which most people would agree is very much more than just "assistance"), and it's contradictory.

The reason people are upset about this is because it doesn't answer any questions one way or the other. It's doubtful that it's even enforceable - again, because it contradicts itself. It just creates uncertainty.
 
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Apple should repatriate some of that cash mountain and create a lobbying arm. That's the only thing that gets a response from congress. Not cynicism, just fact.
I've got a better idea - Apple brings back all its cash, buys California, and we secede from the US. I seem to recall studies saying if California was a separate country, it'd have the 8th largest GDP. We'll have half the US Navy (finders keepers), Disneyland, Hollywood, Silicon Valley... I'd totally vote for Tim Cook for benevolent dictator until such time as we can elect a nice, smart, non-bigoted government for Californialand. Then the conservative states can finally make progress towards turning the remaining US into Jesusland. :D
 
It gave you an idea about Californian voters.
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Doesn't matter. People kept voting for her to be in her position.
Have you seen the bunch of Sad Sacks that have run against her?

Go look at some of her colleagues in the Senate, she's not the bottom of the barrel by any means.
 
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Have you seen the bunch of Sad Sacks that have run against?

Go look at some of her colleagues in the Senate, she's not the bottom of the barrel by any means.
So? Because there are worse senators from other states that it justifies having her there?
American people deserved it, I guess.
 
So? Because there are worse senators from other states that it justifies having her there?
American people deserved it, I guess.
and where are you from, that the government's any better?

I don't know what you expect when primates get democracy.
 
Where is Obama in all of this? Oh wait he's a pawn and the President doesn't really control anything???
 
The elite tried scaring away our privacy via the FBI. That failed. Now they are using their shills to enact legislation that NOBODY wants in this so-called democracy. They are so arrogant they don't even bother to try and be sneaky any more. They are just gonna jam it down our throats.....for reasons of national security and for our own good. Of course.
 
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Her term is up in 2018.

Term coming to an end is not the same as not running for a 5th term. Sen. Boxer has said she won't be seeking re-election after 2016. But Feinstein hasn't said anything. On the contrary, she sent out invites for a fund raiser back in Sept 2015.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Feinstein-trying-for-fifth-full-term-Invites-go-6483225.php

California U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, 82, has sent the first signals that she intends to run for a fifth term — invitations to a Washington, D.C., fundraiser for her 2018 campaign went out Thursday.

Feinstein has not announced her plans, but news of a fundraiser created a buzz in California’s Democratic establishment, which has been debating whether the former San Francisco mayor — now the oldest member of the U.S. Senate — will pursue a fifth term in the 2018 election, when she will be age 85.


The invite to “join Sen. Feinstein for dinner” on Tuesday, Sept. 29, at Bistro Bis was issued by “Linda Hall Daschle, the honorable Tom Daschle and Baker Donelson Berkowitz PAC” for an event benefiting “Feinstein for Senate 2018,” according to a copy obtained by The Chronicle. Tom Daschle is a former U.S. senator from South Dakota.

The tickets to the event are $2,000 to host, and $1,000 for dinner guests. “Please make contributions payable to Feinstein for Senate 2018,” the invitation reads.

“She’s running,’’ said Christine Pelosi, daughter of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and chairwoman of the California Democratic Party women’s caucus. “She is out there to get some money in the bank and to remind everyone that we have a strong U.S. senator — she’s been a major force behind the Iran deal, a very strong endorser of Hillary Clinton and she wants to go into 2016 as the leader of the intelligence committee and help elect the first woman president.”

“I don’t see her deciding that she’s going to retire,’’ she said. “There are senators who are barely heard on foreign policy, but she’s going full force on the case. ... She’s running strong.”
 
It's amazing politicians can just draft bills and pass laws when they have 0 expertise on the particular subject.

I wonder if there ever will be a day when decisions, law, politics and society will be driven by science, data, logic and reason. One can only hope.
 
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