Very nice indeed, but please set to watch to a Hermès watch faceSo the Feu Epsom has arrived. I love the texture. And I think I like the colour.
This means I can either sell the Marine Gala Éperon d’Or (any takers?) or I could swap that strap for one of the others that comes bundled with a watch and sell that. I’d like to see the Indigo Swift in real life.
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Very nice indeed, but please set to watch to a Hermès watch face![]()
so why then the Hermès Watch ?![]()
I am curious. Could you share what the chain of events that the question has triggered?If only you knew the chain of events that this question has triggered ...
I am curious. Could you share what the chain of events that the question has triggered?
I would be gentle and understanding.I would need an undertaking that you will all be gentle and understanding.
I would be gentle and understanding.
I am with you 100%. Your decision is very wise. You calculated carefully your purchase spending. People buying Hermès Watch package are paying more to get the Hermès Watch faces while the stainless steel watch without Hermès faces itself plus Hermès bands could cost less. You are a wise man. I like to read your story.OK, then. Buckle up.
When Michiel asked why I wanted an Hermès watch, given that I wasn’t particularly sold on the watch faces, I started to write a response. For the leather strap, of course!
But then it occurred to me, given that the strap I ended up liking was not one that could be bought with a watch, I had paid £1,249 for a watch with a strap I didn’t like, plus an extra £339 for a strap I did like. So far £1,588.
Now I had looked to sell the strap I didn’t like to recoup some or all of the cost of the one I bought to replace it. I ended up with two identical offers of around £230 before postage and PayPal fees.
So the net cost of a stainless steel Apple Watch (with Hermès faces built in), a leather Hermès strap that I liked, plus the Hermès sports strap, the white plastic Hermès Apple Watch box and the orange cardboard Hermès Apple Watch box (both of which are very nice things to look at) would be about £1,350.
But wait! Given that I wasn’t going to use the built-in Hermès watch faces, why not just buy a regular stainless steel Apple Watch, and then buy the Hermès strap I liked. That would set me back £649 + £339 = £788. A huge saving! Of course, I’d lose the Hermès sports strap, and the two lovely boxes. And the watch faces I didn’t like. But I’d save nearly £600! (Which means, by the way, that Apple charges an incredible premium for those boxes and those exclusive watch faces!)
You’re probably with me so far. Here’s where it gets maybe a little weird and surprising. Although I didn’t like the specific Hermès watch faces, you also get Hermès orange as an extra colour for the regular watch faces. No huge deal, except that the Chronograph face looks especially good in Hermès orange and there’s no way to recreate it with other colour options. (For example, you can choose Hermès orange for the Modular watch face, but there’s also a regular orange and it’s pretty indistinguishable.)
So no Hermès watch, no orange Chronograph. But it had been the orange Chronograph that had gone so well with the Feu Epsom strap I’d bought. Suddenly I’m wondering why I’ve got a Feu Epsom strap if I can’t use the orange Chronograph watch face if I don’t keep the Hermès watch and trade down to the regular stainless steel.
At this point I took a step back and asked, “Look! What’s exactly do you want? What is important to you here?”
All Apple Watches have the same basic functionality. The only differences are the look and the cost. I wanted a look I liked — and, given that I’d already got an Apple Watch before I started all this madness, something fresh and new to me — and I wanted value for money. The Hermès was looking like a rip-off and I began to feel I’d been suckered by great marketing.
It was then — here it comes! — that the Nike Apple Watch caught my attention. It has its own unique Nike Watch Faces which, as someone who’s always loved typography, I really like. And it’s a fraction of the price: about a third, in fact.
What about the aluminium body? Well, it’s lighter, it doesn’t scratch like the stainless steel does, and the matte look contrasts nicely with the screen. What about the Ion X glass? Well, apparently it’s better than the sapphire in terms of brightness and reflectivity, and only marginally worse at scratch resistance. What about the composite back? Well the GPS + Cellular model now has the sapphire back.
And what about the Sports strap? Here comes an important point for me. I actually really love the Sports strap. I love the way it curves away from the screen. I think it’s an exceptional piece of design. I think it’s very comfortable, too. I love how it feels. I don’t like the way any of the leather straps connect to the Apple Watch, except the Leather Loop, which has the same beautiful curve.
So, the Nike Apple Watch is on its way. In terms of functionality it’s identical to any other Apple Watch. Which, when push comes to shove, is what really matters. In terms of aesthetic appeal, I think I’m going to like it as much as any other. And financially, it strikes me as vastly better value. With both the Edition and the Hermès, the price had me demanding perfection — to justify the cost, the watch needed to thrill me every time I looked at it. (I applied the same policy when I traded my iPhone 7+ for an iPhone X. The iPhone X passed the test with flying colours. It delights me every second I use it.) Initially the Edition excited me, but that wore off very quickly. No Hermès combination has really had me in love. And that’s not good enough for over £1,300.
The Nike may end up being a bit of a compromise. Maybe it’s a bit less in terms of how I’ll feel about it. But it’s vastly less in terms of cost.
So that’s where I am right now. More than any other, this feels like the right decision. I’ll get my first sense of whether it is sometime tomorrow . . .
OK, then. Buckle up.
When Michiel asked why I wanted an Hermès watch, given that I wasn’t particularly sold on the watch faces, I started to write a response: “For the leather strap, of course!”
But then it occurred to me, given that the strap I ended up liking was not one that could be bought with a watch, I had paid £1,249 for a watch with a strap I didn’t like, plus an extra £339 for a strap I did like. So far £1,588.
Now I had looked to sell the strap I didn’t like to recoup some or all of the cost of the one I bought to replace it. I ended up with two identical offers of around £230 before postage and PayPal fees.
So the net cost of a stainless steel Apple Watch (with Hermès faces built in), a leather Hermès strap that I liked, plus the Hermès sports strap, the white plastic Hermès Apple Watch box and the orange cardboard Hermès Apple Watch box (both of which are very nice things to look at) would be about £1,350.
But wait! Given that I wasn’t going to use the built-in Hermès watch faces, why not just buy a regular stainless steel Apple Watch, and then buy the Hermès strap I liked. That would set me back £649 + £339 = £788. A huge saving! Of course, I’d lose the Hermès sports strap, and the two lovely boxes. And the watch faces I didn’t like. But I’d save nearly £600! (Which means, by the way, that Apple charges an incredible premium for those boxes and those exclusive watch faces!)
You’re probably with me so far. Here’s where it gets maybe a little weird and surprising. Although I didn’t like the specific Hermès watch faces, you also get Hermès orange as an extra colour for the regular watch faces. No huge deal, except that the Chronograph face looks especially good in Hermès orange and there’s no way to recreate it with other colour options. (For example, you can choose Hermès orange for the Modular watch face, but there’s also a regular orange and it’s pretty indistinguishable.)
So no Hermès watch, no orange Chronograph. But it had been the orange Chronograph that had gone so well with the Feu Epsom strap I’d bought. Suddenly I’m wondering why I’ve got a Feu Epsom strap if I can’t use the orange Chronograph watch face if I don’t keep the Hermès watch and trade down to the regular stainless steel.
At this point I took a step back and asked, “Look! What’s exactly do you want? What is important to you here?”
All Apple Watches have the same basic functionality. The only differences are the look and the cost. I wanted a look I liked — and, given that I’d already got an Apple Watch before I started all this madness, something fresh and new to me would be nice — and I wanted value for money. The Hermès was looking like a rip-off and I began to feel I’d been suckered by great marketing.
It was then — here it comes! — that the Nike Apple Watch caught my attention. It has its own unique Nike Watch Faces which, as someone who’s always loved typography, I really like. And it’s a fraction of the price: about a third, in fact.
What about the aluminium body? Well, it’s lighter, it doesn’t scratch like the stainless steel does, and the matte look contrasts nicely with the screen. What about the Ion X glass? Well, apparently it’s better than the sapphire in terms of brightness and reflectivity, and only marginally worse at scratch resistance. What about the composite back? Well the GPS + Cellular model now has the sapphire back.
And what about the Sports strap? Here comes an important point for me. I actually really love the Sports strap. I love the way it curves away from the screen. I think it’s an exceptional piece of design. I think it’s very comfortable, too. I love how it feels. I don’t like the way any of the leather straps connect to the Apple Watch, except the Leather Loop, which has the same beautiful curve.
So, the Nike Apple Watch is on its way. In terms of functionality it’s identical to any other Apple Watch. Which, when push comes to shove, is what really matters. In terms of aesthetic appeal, I think I’m going to like it as much as any other. And financially, it strikes me as vastly better value. With both the Edition and the Hermès, the price had me demanding perfection — to justify the cost, the watch needed to thrill me every time I looked at it. (I applied the same policy when I traded my iPhone 7+ for an iPhone X. The iPhone X passed the test with flying colours. It delights me every second I use it.) Initially the Edition excited me, but that wore off very quickly. No Hermès combination has really had me in love. And that’s not good enough for over £1,300.
The Nike may end up being a bit of a compromise. Maybe it’s a bit less in terms of how I’ll feel about it. But it’s vastly less in terms of cost.
So that’s where I am right now. More than any other, this feels like the right decision. I’ll get my first sense of whether it is sometime tomorrow . . .
That‘s an amazing/amusing journey, from Edition via Hermes to Nike+.I hope you‘ll enjoy this one. To me, personally, the aluminium just feels cheap.
P.S. Your math is wrong, because 649 + 339 = 988 (not 788); hence the Hermes premium is not quite so high (but still high enough).
Apple is playing you like a fiddle. Why not just mail them your paycheck. You’re so weak and cave into their marketing. just kidding.The error in my math (which is embarrassing as I’m a math teacher!) actually makes the Nike case even more compelling, and makes me feel even happier.
My three choices are:
1. Keep the Hermès watch, sell the strap it came with, buy the strap I like: about £1,350.
Pro: get to keep nice boxes and Sports strap, and Hermès watch faces (meh)
2. Replace the Hermès watch with a regular stainless steel, buy an Hermès strap to go with it: £988.
Lose boxes and Sports strap, and watch faces, save about £400
3. Ditch Hermès altogether and go down the Nike route: £429 (well, £478 because I like the Volt strap which goes well with the green Nike watch faces).
Entirely different look and proposition, but same essential watch (with Ion X glass), save £900 compared with Plan 1, and £500 compared with Plan 2.
I’ll correct the math in my original post for the benefit of anyone else who might read it.
Apple is playing you like a fiddle. Why not just mail them your paycheck. You’re so weak and cave into their marketing. just kidding.
I say this as the owner of two series 2 Nike, series 2 and 3 ceramic and a series 0 SS.
All kidding aside, Apple has a brilliant marketing team.
Like you there isn’t a single solution for me.
I am very happy with my multiple watch and band purchase.
I initially purchased the Nike watch for the band and face but like to wear it (them) just farting around or while outside working.
Congrats on your purchases and glad you’re enjoying them.
Ouch!
But yes, Apple is King of Marketing. You don’t get to be the most profitable company in the world without knowing something about selling.
I dread to think how much money I’ve sent to Apple over the years. (I started mailing them my paychecks in about 1992.) That being said, I’ve mostly enjoyed what they’ve sent me in return.
The Apple Watch is tricky because is it a fashion accessory, or a productivity tool? Does an Apple Watch Hermès even make sense? Or the Edition?
Incidentally, I found the Edition-buying experience the least satisfactory of any of them. Nothing about it felt premium. I’d still love to own one of the leather charger boxes that came with the original gold Edition.
The Apple Watch is tricky because is it a fashion accessory, or a productivity tool? Does an Apple Watch Hermès even make sense? Or the Edition?
Not sure the story will end with the Nike watch. What will truly satisfy you may not exist in Apple’s watch lineup.OK, then. Buckle up.
When Michiel asked why I wanted an Hermès watch, given that I wasn’t particularly sold on the watch faces, I started to write a response: “For the leather strap, of course!”
But then it occurred to me, given that the strap I ended up liking was not one that could be bought with a watch, I had paid £1,249 for a watch with a strap I didn’t like, plus an extra £339 for a strap I did like. So far £1,588.
Now I had looked to sell the strap I didn’t like to recoup some or all of the cost of the one I bought to replace it. I ended up with two identical offers of around £230 before postage and PayPal fees.
So the net cost of a stainless steel Apple Watch (with Hermès faces built in), a leather Hermès strap that I liked, plus the Hermès sports strap, the white plastic Hermès Apple Watch box and the orange cardboard Hermès Apple Watch box (both of which are very nice things to look at) would be about £1,350.
But wait! Given that I wasn’t going to use the built-in Hermès watch faces, why not just buy a regular stainless steel Apple Watch, and then buy the Hermès strap I liked. That would set me back £649 + £339 = £988. A huge saving! Of course, I’d lose the Hermès sports strap, and the two lovely boxes. And the watch faces I didn’t like. But I’d save nearly £400! (Which means, by the way, that Apple charges an incredible premium for those boxes and those exclusive watch faces!)
You’re probably with me so far. Here’s where it gets maybe a little weird and surprising. Although I didn’t like the specific Hermès watch faces, you also get Hermès orange as an extra colour for the regular watch faces. No huge deal, except that the Chronograph face looks especially good in Hermès orange and there’s no way to recreate it with other colour options. (For example, you can choose Hermès orange for the Modular watch face, but there’s also a regular orange and it’s pretty indistinguishable.)
So no Hermès watch, no orange Chronograph. But it had been the orange Chronograph that had gone so well with the Feu Epsom strap I’d bought. Suddenly I’m wondering why I’ve got a Feu Epsom strap if I can’t use the orange Chronograph watch face if I don’t keep the Hermès watch and trade down to the regular stainless steel.
At this point I took a step back and asked, “Look! What’s exactly do you want? What is important to you here?”
All Apple Watches have the same basic functionality. The only differences are the look and the cost. I wanted a look I liked — and, given that I’d already got an Apple Watch before I started all this madness, something fresh and new to me would be nice — and I wanted value for money. The Hermès was looking like a rip-off and I began to feel I’d been suckered by great marketing.
It was then — here it comes! — that the Nike Apple Watch caught my attention. It has its own unique Nike Watch Faces which, as someone who’s always loved typography, I really like. And it’s a fraction of the price: about a third, in fact.
What about the aluminium body? Well, it’s lighter, it doesn’t scratch like the stainless steel does, and the matte look contrasts nicely with the screen. What about the Ion X glass? Well, apparently it’s better than the sapphire in terms of brightness and reflectivity, and only marginally worse at scratch resistance. What about the composite back? Well the GPS + Cellular model now has the sapphire back.
And what about the Sports strap? Here comes an important point for me. I actually really love the Sports strap. I love the way it curves away from the screen. I think it’s an exceptional piece of design. I think it’s very comfortable, too. I love how it feels. I don’t like the way any of the leather straps connect to the Apple Watch, except the Leather Loop, which has the same beautiful curve.
So, the Nike Apple Watch is on its way. In terms of functionality it’s identical to any other Apple Watch. Which, when push comes to shove, is what really matters. In terms of aesthetic appeal, I think I’m going to like it as much as any other. And financially, it strikes me as vastly better value. With both the Edition and the Hermès, the price had me demanding perfection — to justify the cost, the watch needed to thrill me every time I looked at it. (I applied the same policy when I traded my iPhone 7+ for an iPhone X. The iPhone X passed the test with flying colours. It delights me every second I use it.) Initially the Edition excited me, but that wore off very quickly. No Hermès combination has really had me in love. And that’s not good enough for over £1,300.
The Nike may end up being a bit of a compromise. Maybe it’s a bit less in terms of how I’ll feel about it. But it’s vastly less in terms of cost.
So that’s where I am right now. More than any other, this feels like the right decision. I’ll get my first sense of whether it is sometime tomorrow . . .
[Edited to correct error in math.]
Congratulations!! You finally find the right one. I believe all of us here are happy to hear your happy ending journey.And so our story comes to an end . . .
My Nike Sport watch arrived this afternoon. Honestly? I think it’s great. Conspicuously lighter in weight than the stainless steel. I love the Nike watch faces — modern, bright, clear. And I’m sure the screen is blacker and clearer because of the Ion X glass. Maybe I’m making this up, but it seems to really stand out just like the iPhone X screen does.
The box (ha!) was pretty nice: sleek black.
No problems setting it up. And got my data plan switched virtually straight away.
And I can’t send it back — I’ve already sold the strap it came with to a forum regular!
Excellent write up and analysis. This would help others to decide what Watch type to buy according to their need: functionality or fashion / jewelry. Aluminum or Nike Watch for sole functionality as a health tools and time. Stainless steel, ceramic or Hermès for fashion or jewelry in addition to the functionalities.That‘s the question, isn‘t it? If all one cares about is the functionality, especially for fitness tracking purposes, the Alu/Nike Watch absolutely makes the most sense, being (much) cheaper and lighter while still looking quite nice and offering the broadest choice of colours. As a super versatile timepiece for everyday wear and dressing up, the Stainless Steel models can‘t be beat and the price differential vs the Aluminium version is appropriate IMO. The Hermes ... looks exactly like the Stainless Watch of course, but you get a very (very) nice leather strap, the best traditional/analogue watch faces (IMO), one extra year of warranty and an orange sport band; together with the nicer packaging the extra cost is (just about) justifiable. And the Ceramic Edition gets you real excusivity as that is one model you‘re not going to see very often in the wild; the scratch-resistance of the material is also attractive and valuable; plus you also get one extra year of warranty and the nice Apple charging station.
In other words, all those options are fine. It‘s just that some folks have a harder time than others figuring out which one is the right one for them.![]()
OT What has the Nike Watch for extra health tools except a watch face ? That said, wearing a Nike Watch is for some also a sign of fashion itself... Put a leather loop on the Nike or aluminium and voila is it complete different; that makes the Apple Watch so versatileExcellent write up and analysis. This would help others to decide what Watch type to buy according to their need: functionality or fashion / jewelry. Aluminum or Nike Watch for sole functionality as a health tools and time. Stainless steel, ceramic or Hermès for fashion or jewelry in addition to the functionalities.
Good catch. Thank you. I am not into fashion stuff so I never think of getting a leather bands or many bands to change. Just a simple person. You are right about Nike Watch face. The Nike Watch faces are the reason I selected because they look sporty and modern to look at.OT What has the Nike Watch for extra health tools except a watch face ? That said, wearing a Nike Watch is for some also a sign of fashion itself... Put a leather loop on the Nike or aluminium and voila is it complete different; that makes the Apple Watch so versatile![]()