I have yet to be in a US city that has persistent free, open wifi to accommodate my needs while I'm moving around.
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I have yet to be in a US city that has persistent free, open wifi to accommodate my needs while I'm moving around.
I've never used it, and probably never will. Go ahead and get the iPhone on Verizon, or don't, I don't care. I really don't get what the uproar is about. Competition will probably end up being a good thing for everyone.
I don't use WiFi at all as invariably it is not available when I want it and just chews up battery having it search for spots. So, I have it turned off. That being said, I expect to be able to surf while on the phone, and use it when on long status calls. So, yes, this is important.
I use voice and data simultaneously all the time where I'm from. I'm not home 75% of the time (usually on the road or something) and it's wonderful when I can use both to give information to my friends/family while talking to them.
You are correct BUT in real world application no one sees this as 3G voice.
It's even been rumored that voice is degrading at the expense of LTE (4G) deployment.
UMTS has redefined what people expect of their voice/data service... Which is that such said service represent both services and not have broadband data speeds but use voice protocol introduced alongside 144kbs theoretical data speeds, which 1xRTT was.
They had the right idea of using a single technology for voice/data (1xRTT) but have now deviated. Whereas, GSM started with the wrong idea of having to use separate channels for voice(GSM) and data (GPRS,EDGE).
Now we're enjoying the advantages of having the latest in voice protocols (current 3G) while CDMA users are using a voice protocol (old 3G) first implemented in the early 2000's. As well as AT&T using ONE technology for both voice/data.
Hence my reason for clarifying
There are pluses and minuses for each implementation. There's a cost/benefit analysis that is done by the service providers.
Back to the original premise of this thread, yes, in it's current form the VZW iPhone is lacking a feature set that some may find imperative. On the other side of the coin, there are plenty of users who this will no affect and will be more than happy to use the device with this limitation.
well never more than once a day of that but the times i do use it is for things like talking wile having to get directions or on the net for something. i find it to be very beneficial, but i have no problem with Verizon. the thing is if u buy one now what happens in july when a new iphone comes out u will be in a contract.but the voice data thing is up to you, you might not use it too much but is extremely helpful.
On the road, constantly. But even if I don't use it, it is still a nice feature to have.
But I use it, approximately, 3 times a week.
I use it atleast once a week while not on wifi...I have to call into a weekly conference call for work (were supposed to be in the office for this even though its before our scheduled time to be at work) and when im running late (my wife and I carpool) I call into the conference call from the car...so when my manager asks us to pull up the email she sent us with all the stuff we have to talk about on the call I can! but without that...no I don't use it that often...mostly while bored talking on the phone with my parents!
but without that...no I don't use it that often...mostly while bored talking on the phone with my parents!Use SkyPe Or VoiP !!
there are workarounds like use skype for calling and you will be able to surf the web/multitask/talk on phone.... or if not skype some other voip like tango with video.. plus you will save your minutes and use data only......
plus im in nyc whats the point of browsing the web while on the phone?? the call usually gets dropped anyway so what benefit is that.... atleast on verizon you will have a consistant connection at around 1Mps .and the advertised speeds at&t is claiming i barely hit 1Mps if not half D/L speeds... its never consistent..
there are workarounds like use skype for calling and you will be able to surf the web/multitask/talk on phone.... or if not skype some other voip like tango with video.. plus you will save your minutes and use data only......
plus im in nyc whats the point of browsing the web while on the phone?? the call usually gets dropped anyway so what benefit is that.... atleast on verizon you will have a consistant connection at around 1Mps .and the advertised speeds at&t is claiming
i barely hit 1Mps if not half D/L speeds... its never consistent..I use it all the time. I never connect to Wifi, usually my wifi (6mbit/s) is somewhat overloaded with internet usage, and is slower than 3g (which I usually get 4mbit/s+ on). I probably could live without simultaneous Voice+Data, but I'm glad I don't have to.
I would say that approximately once every week or two I am on the phone, with no WiFi present, and need to look something up using data.
If I'm at home with WiFi, why would I use my phone simultaneously to check something instead of using my laptop?
If I'm at home with WiFi, why would I use my phone simultaneously to check something instead of using my laptop?
) and when im running late (my wife and I carpool) I call into the conference call from the car...so when my manager asks us to pull up the email she sent us with all the stuff we have to talk about on the call I can!
Uh... please tell me your wife is driving while you are doing this.
Otherwise I'm going to revise my opinion that not allowing phone and data at the same time is a bad thing... in this case I would say it would have been better to discourage you from looking stuff up while you drive (bad enough to be talking while driving).
This concurs my point that most people are near WiFi unless driving.
Don't drive and do data voice or anything with your phone but charge it. It kills too many people. -Ad Council
lolJust speaking from personal experience, I have never once come across a situation where I needed voice and data at the same time on my phone. Most of the time when I am in a call and I need to look something up, I have wi-fi and I use my laptop. The whole "voice and data simultaneously!" thing seems like a real gimmick to me.
This concurs my point that most people are near WiFi unless driving.
Don't drive and do data voice or anything with your phone but charge it. It kills too many people. -Ad Council
And I think you are wrong there. Don't confuse your own experiences with everyone else.
In general, I'm not near wi-fi unless I am home and in that case I'll just use my computer anyways. I don't really go to cafes where you find most wi-fi hot spots and I find most stores I go to don't offer free wi-fi (and most people these days protect any wi fi that isn't meant for public use. It seems people are smartening up about that). I like AT&T so therefore Verizon would have to offer more than AT&T offers me to get me to switch. And I'm too cheap to pay more than I already am.
Anyways, once again this wouldn't be something I'd necessarily nix going to Verizon over. But it would be a small consideration. Honestly, I doubt Verizon could offer me much to switch anyways as I have no issues with AT&T and I don't want to pay more and I am pretty sure I am grandfathered in both my voice and data plan with AT&T so I doubt Verizon would offer even the same price I pay now.
I think some people are (not necessarily you) forgetting that we're not talking about simply using data when away from WiFi -- we're talking about being away from WiFi and being on a call and having a consistant need (not once a month) to use data while on a phone call.
If you do? Great, you should take advantage of AT&T. But there's a reason AT&T doesn't bloat about this ever in comparison to Verizon (as far as advertisements go) and there's a reason Apple discontinued the ad campaign for simultaneous data/voice--their concepts were not practical everyday uses--and I'm sure they didnt see a spike in revenue from them. Like I've said before, most Verizon customers don't even know that can't do such a thing -- if you told them they couldn't, most would say they haven't even tried to. Maybe it's different know off the bat that you can.
Is it useful? At times, sure. Is it a deal breaker or a reason that a Verizon iPhone is "useless" and "pointless" as AT&T folks say? Definitely not in any way.
Do you think there would be this push for AT&T to carry the iPhone had Verizon gotten it first? Do you think people would be saying "come on I neeeeed that simultaneous data and voice when away from wifi, please apple bring the iPhone to AT&T!" -- I don't think so, but most of you think I'm wrong.
I don't think you're wrong in that it's not a dealbreaker for many (in fact, if you didn't notice, I myself said in the post you responded to it wouldn't nix Verizon for me but it would be a small consideration).
I just think you're wrong that people don't use it or that it isn't nice to have or useful to have or that there aren't reasons to use it.
I agree it's not useful enough to be the deal breaker, but it is a consideration (amongst other things) when deciding between the two. I think the biggest consideration for people will be which one gives them better coverage and which one has a better pricing plan for what the customer wants (and which one the customer doesn't have a grudge against. There will be people who go to one or the other solely cause they have had bad experiences with one and refuse to do business with them. I'm not one of those. The only grudge I have against Verizon is last I checked, which was years ago, they were much pricier, pricey enough I wondered why they expected me to go with them. But that was years ago and from what people say here, they are pretty closely priced with AT&T these days. Whether that means Verizon has gotten cheaper or AT&T more expensive is a different story).
I'll have to say it's not very often, maybe twice a month for me, but since it's there and available, you use it without even thinking about it.
Now would I choose a carrier (AT&T vs Verizon) on that function, heavens no!!
As a satisfied AT&T customer, I'm just happy a large portion of AT&T users will be off to Verizon, thus making my already good AT&T experience even better.
Now would I choose a carrier (AT&T vs Verizon) on that function, heavens no!!
As a satisfied AT&T customer, I'm just happy a large portion of AT&T users will be off to Verizon, thus making my already good AT&T experience even better.
Truth to be told, I don't use it often (1-2 times day)... but when I do, it's very handy & useful.
As of right now, I am not under contract and will weigh my options again in June or whenever the next iPhone is introduced. But one of the biggest points that seems to be overlooked is the fact that we consumers now have choice... AT&T is on notice. Thank you, capitalism!
Optimum and Time Warner are on the east coast. I use data and voice simultaneously very often. I admit anyone can go without it but it's much more convenient. Whenever I'm on a conference call I can send out any emails on my computer directly from my phone without having to hang up. Not to mention being able to send pictures while on a call. It's a pretty useful feature. You can't necessarily dislike something without having had a decent amount of time to test it out for yourself.
Tried Pandora streaming on my friend's Droid. Calls go directly to voicemail. I think this is because Pandora is actively streaming content, versus buffering and then stopping.
There's a deal breaker right there! Listening to music= missing out on work/income.
I'm the same. When I get a call, I put it on speaker and navigate through Safari, Facebook, Twitter, etc. It's very nice to have.