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Several macOS Monterey Features Unavailable on Intel-Based Macs
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oh. You wanted legitimate reasons? Yeah, i have none of those.
Then you have a very strict use of obsolete.
To me an obsolete computer is a computer which has stopped being useful for the purpose I want and has been replaced by something newer. Not getting a some minor new features doesn't impact my use of older Macs at all since I was never doing these things at all.
For me, none of the Macs released in the last five years have become obsolete.
Every feature can be reproduced on any CPU ever released, including every Intel CPU released in the last 50 years.
It is just that Intel Macs aren't the future anymore. If the Intel Mac require more than bare minimum of resources to get it to work and support it, I understand why Apple decided not to support some features on Intel Macs. I would have done the same thing.
Apple has never been strong on supporting things which aren't the future and is one reason I prefer Apple over the Microsoft world.
Are you mad because your expensive Intel Mac is treated by Apple as a second class citizen? This has been Apple's modus operandus for its 45-year old history. They always look for the future, and almost never care about the past.
You should be more concerned about the machine supporting what you want to do and not about useless new features. Your machine works just the same today as a week ago.
I am only interested in live text, But it can be done by google lens on my phone.
Well, I will stay with Mojava forever in my 13'' 2018 MBP. And may never sold it or get rid it for any reason.
Best last macOS IMO, 32bit support, dark mode and doesn't have ugly app icons like in Big Sur.
Well, I will stay with Mojava forever in my 13'' 2018 MBP. And may never sold it or get rid it for any reason.
Best last macOS IMO, 32bit support, dark mode and doesn't have ugly app icons like in Big Sur.
Just looked it in App Store and it says 'require macOS 10,15 or later'.
Mojava is 10.14.
That's fine anyway, Thanks.
Unfortunately, the longer you stay on the old OS, the more software will be unavailable to you. That being said, there’s a ton of great software already available that you can presumably use indefinitely.
I complained once, then I was challenged again and again by fanboys. Most of them speaking nonsense.
The principle is the issue. Apple made an active choice with this. I don't like the choice, as is my right. Others may agree with it, that is up to them, as I said in one of my first posts.
I’d recommend enjoying your current Mac as long as you can. These M1-only features aren’t earth-shattering, and there are still things the Intel Macs can do that the M1’s cannot (boot camp for example).
As for principle, I fail to see any principle that has been violated. Giving every new feature to every past customer (or giving all features to all Macs) has never been something Apple (or any other computer maker) has done.
Are you for real? how are people supposed to know? There is no notice on the Apple site. Surely you agree there should be such a notice? warning that Intel CPUs may not support features? On the page where you buy the product. Not hidden away on a beta page.
The software you’re talking about is literally a beta. Of course the info is on the beta site. Where else would it be? There isn‘t even a public beta yet, so they can’t advertise the features of it elsewhere.
I was responding to the comment of the other user
Unless Apple are actively telling customers who buy these machines some features will not be supported in future, it isn't valid. i.e you buy a 16" MBP on September 1st, a month later it doesn't support the feature. I would expect a notice to be on the MBP purchase page. That it will not support all features of the upcoming OS. Apple, being a company of values, will surely tell the customers. /s
There seems to be an active double standard that I see a lot on here (and have for years as a lurker):
If Apple makes a change that excludes features, or has some sort of limitation, people are like “well you bought it so you’re entitled to what you got when you bought it and nothing more” which is to say “you knew the rules when you signed up, you can’t expect them to change now so suck it up”
If Apple makes a change to existing developer rules for the App Store, they’re somehow fully entitled to do that whenever they want and the developers cannot complain, which is to say “you knew the rules when you signed up but now they’ve changed, suck it up”
seems like for some folks, Apple always wins and that’s just not a convo worth having. I commend you for toughing it out for so long but it’s truly pointless to sing against the echo chamber
Says a lot about the quality of their arguments that one of the most prolific “this is an outrage by Apple!” people on this thread has to resort to DM’ing me and posting (now deleted) expletive-laden character attacks. Say what you want about “the echo chamber.”
in ten years I will be typing here on my 11 year old intel MacBook Pro, bragging about still being on Monterey! apples only fault here is that they make their hardware to well, at least with the plastic brigade you know going in the lid is going to fall off in a year and the fans are going to die, and that the blue screen of death is always lurking!
This is a false equivalency. Nobody took anything away from the computer, nor added any limitations to it. Your statement that the change “‘excludes features” is incorrect.
The complaint here is that Apple added a feature to its new computers that the old computers don’t get. If Apple never added new features to Macs, then we’d still be using System 1.0 on a Mac 128K. The complaint is just plain silly. As it has always been with any tech, if you want the new features, you have to buy the new computer or iPod or phone or car or whatever…
So Rene Ritchie was lying? The guy has a better reputation than anybody on this forum.
“New” lol they still sell Intel Macs. Not understanding an equivalency doesn’t make it a false equivalency, and bolding stuff doesn’t make your point any stronger. this isn’t a textbook.
I’ll follow my own advice and end the discussion there, there’s really no point.
So anyone who disagrees with you, is either an Apple employee, stupid, or a member of a cult. Got it. However, given that you have said (and have been saying for a very long time) how much you dislike the company, its products and business practices, I cannot understand why you spend so much time complaining about it. I am a current customer and based on what I currently know, expect to be one in the future. Unlike you, I own an iMac Pro, and a Mac Pro, and I would much rather Apple not waste engineering resources on developing these features for my machines. I would find those resources much more valuably deployed on new Mac specific features that will matter to me as a professional user of these machines, just reimplementing features that Apple Silicon Macintoshes get from iOS/iPadOS for free.
You keep saying the same thing. You have an odd definition of obsolete. There are features that machines that are currently sold will not support in future releases of software, just as there have always been. There are also things that current Intel-based Macintosh systems can do that machines released in a few months will not be able to do (natively booting Windows, as an example). What exactly would you like Apple’s web site to read? “Not every feature in every unreleased operating system will run on this hardware?”
I have never stated that. I have not done enough research to determine how likely it is that some, or all of these features could be implemented in a way that would deliver a satisfying and reliable user experience for some or all Intel based Macintosh systems. What I have stated is that it would require that resources be diverted from other, much more valuable macOS development to do this. This work was not done by the macOS team, but by the, much larger, iOS/iPadOS team and Apple Silicon Macintosh systems get it basically for free. Taking engineering resources from new, important macOS features, performance enhancements or stability improvements to support these features on Intel-based machines would be bad.
To make it more clear to you, I would be just as to opposed allocating substantial macOS developer resources for these features for Apple Silicon Macintosh systems. I will be happy to have them on a future Apple Silicon Macintosh, given that they came for free from another team, but think there would be many more important uses for that talent had it not been the case.
You bought a machine in January of 2020 that was released in the middle of 2019.
When you purchased that machine, did it meet your needs? Has it met your needs over the last 18 months? When you purchased that machine, did you know there were things that other Macintosh systems that were sold when you bought it could do that yours could not? If, instead of releasing an Apple Silicon systems, Apple had released a machine two years after yours. with a new discrete AMD GPU that supported some new function (real time ray tracing, as an example), would you have been upset? In June of 2021, they told you that there are features that your two year old design will not have in another 4 or more months.
Exactly how long after new hardware capabilities enter the market, should Apple be able to take advantage of them?
No where have I stated that you needed my permission to post comments on here.
Maybe that explains your attitude. Over that time, Intel machines have barely increased their performance (under 30% single core improvement since 2015), so it is easy to understand why you think that nothing should change for years. Apple Silicon has tripled its single core performance in the same time. Apple generated that performance increase in less than 2 years. That speed differential does not even take into account the addition of other blocks in Apple Silicon that do even better on specialized workloads like signal processing or machine learning.
Nope, most people do not join only to post complaints. In the two years you have been a member of Mac Rumors, you have been unhappy with Apple’s decision and your only posts have been negative. There are many people on here who post positive and negative comments. There are people here who share historical insights, ask for features, speculate on future releases. I just find it odd that people who have already made it clear they have already left the ecosystem (or plan to leave the ecosystem soon), find it a productive and enjoyable use of their time to come and criticize a company whose products they have already made it clear they do not like.
I do not frequent forums for users of Windows and complain that they still waste energy on 32-bit compatibility, nor go to Linux forms and complain about the design of the GUI.