Several macOS Monterey Features Unavailable on Intel-Based Macs

[7709876]

Everyone always happy to spend other people’s money.

This is a case of caveat emptor. People are free to spend their money however they choose.

I think Apple are being a shower of shysters expecting people to pay top dollar for high-end computers they are no longer fully supporting with updates. I certainly wouldn't buy one with that sort of behavior from Apple. In fact if I had recently purchased one from Apple, I would be looking to see if I could obtain a refund.


So, I certainly wouldn't spend *my* money on a high end Mac at the moment with this sort of carry on from Apple

 

[cmaier]

This is a case of caveat emptor. People are free to spend their money however they choose.

I think Apple are being a shower of shysters expecting people to pay top dollar for high-end computers they are no longer fully supporting with updates. I certainly wouldn't buy one with that sort of behavior from Apple. In fact if I had recently purchased one from Apple, I would be looking to see if I could obtain a refund.


So, I certainly wouldn't spend *my* money on a high end Mac at the moment with this sort of carry on from Apple

Just for the record, the term “shyster” is considered by many to be an anti-semitic slur. I’m sure you didn’t know that, but you may want to consider not using it in the future.

 

[1291030]

I guess the 1st FaceTime blurring thing is done with the M1's neural engine, so that is that.

Also, this isn't even a public beta quite possible some of these will get Intel versions later on (not that I would bet any body hair on it).

I don't have an intel based mac, so I'm unemotional about this decision.

But, my OCD flared up a bit here. The "neural engine" can't do anything, that a GPU or a normal Intel CPU cant do. Albeit, it's faster than than the latter, significantly slower than the former (if you are looking at newer GPUs).

In summary, it's still a decision. They could have made this work on intel based macs, they just opted not to (which i totally get btw. And, I think it's the right decision as well, just for the record). But, it's wrong to state that the NE is a prerequisite to do any of this stuff.

 

[hgmDQnmScv(5^8d>]

Such an entitled attitude from many on this forum. Apple can put whatever features it wants on whatever Macs it wants. They have not removed any features from previously sold Macs, nor lied about features on the upcoming ones. It has no obligation to add features to old Macs, but it regularly does. But Apple is evil because it didn’t add all the features some people wanted for free to their existing Intel Macs?

I think people pay more for Apple so expect them the extra mile. Yes Apple can do whatever it likes, because it is cocky. Not evil, just greedy.

You keep saying "old Macs" like these machines are years old. I say again, they are on sale now. I do hope Apple puts a notice clearly, on the website that these Macs on sale now for thousands of dollars won't support the features in the upcoming OS. Can you help me find it? I can only see small print on the bottom of the beta page. Not on the page where the Macs are being sold.

 

[hgmDQnmScv(5^8d>]

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[cmaier]

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“You’re so vain… I bet you think this comic’s about you… ”

(to be clear - this is a parody of an old song, since someone already seems to not get the joke)

 

[Absolute Trainwreck]

I think people pay more for Apple so expect them the extra mile. Yes Apple can do whatever it likes, because it is cocky. Not evil, just greedy.

You keep saying "old Macs" like these machines are years old. I say again, they are on sale now. I do hope Apple puts a notice clearly, on the website that these Macs on sale now for thousands of dollars won't support the features in the upcoming OS. Can you help me find it? I can only see small print on the bottom of the beta page. Not on the page where the Macs are being sold.

I agree with everything you’re saying but you should realize that this is a losing fight… this is macrumors, you aren’t bound to find a ton of unbiased discussion/folks here.

 

[hgmDQnmScv(5^8d>]

“You’re so vain… I bet you think this comic’s about you… ”

(to be clear - this is a parody of an old song, since someone already seems to not get the joke)

Yeah I got it haha

 

[cmaier]

Yeah I got it haha

Glad. People need to lighten up.

 

[hgmDQnmScv(5^8d>]

I agree with everything you’re saying but you should realize that this is a losing fight… this is macrumors, you aren’t bound to find a ton of unbiased discussion/folks here.

It is worth it even just to see the "you're holding it wrong" type comments!

 

[Unregistered 4U]

So you agree that Apple are only doing this to force people to upgrade

Force people to upgrade? Well, if the person is of the sort that MUST have the latest and greatest regardless of if it makes sense, they would feel a strong drive to upgrade. But, that’s more off an individual problem if they can’t control their consumption. There’s nothing that Apple’s doing that’s going to force anyone to do anything.

They ARE offering a feature though that’s not on Intel. And, again if someone has a personality that drives them to want ALLL THE THINGS, they’re free to spend their money where they see fit.

 

[hans1972]

Let's be honest people. This is Apple Tax in action, as it has been for at least a decade. This is Apple's way. They introduce new features but limit them to new hardware. Not many Apple customer can afford to just get a new Mac, but they don't care because they'll push you to get credit or sell something you have or whatever to get it.

I decided a while back not to play that game anymore so my 2015 MacBook Pro runs Linux full time and Windows runs in a VM for when I need it.

I cloned my Mac to an external HDD using SuperDuper and it's bootable if I need it.

If this sort of behaviour from Apple infuriates you, stop buying Apple. Same goes for iPhone. I jumped to Android and it's glorious. Had been for years now.

Vote with your wallet. That's the only way Apple will learn.

So why didn't you move to only Windows and Linux forums also?

 

[Alan Wynn]

Your posts have ignored everything I said and again, obtuse replies. You must work for Apple PR!

No, my posts deal with the world as it exists, not the world as you fantasize it to be.

I said this:

You fundamentally do not understand what is happening. Apple is taking resources from their much larger market, iOS/iPadOS, and making them available on the new Apple Silicon Macs. This is not taking away resources, this is adding resources.

To which you replied:

No

My statement was not an opinion, it was a fact. Those features were developed by the iOS/iPadOS teams and their availablity on macOS is adding resources to macOS. The reason they have been rewriting apps to use SwiftUI or porting them with Catalyst is to take the resources from their much larger teams for the much larger markets and making them available to the small market that is macOS. Before this, apps like Messages just lagged behind and never got features from iOS/iPadOS.

You must have missed my post where a user was able to enable some of these features on an Intel Mac. Even on a 2015 machine it was functional. I think it is you who are confused.

That is not true for those features that run on the neural engine (most of those being discussed). However, just as people were able to enable some features from newer devices on older devices in the past, they produce an uneven (and often unreliable) experience on those unsupported devices. That is unacceptable to Apple (and I guarantee that you would be complaining about how bad the software was where they to do it).

No, I said they should have two teams developing for M1 and Intel for at least a few years. Not only Intel.

Except, it would be a team developing just for old Intel hardware. There is no macOS team working on many of these features, they are iOS/iPadOS features that can be made available on macOS because they come free with Apple Silicon. It would be completely new developement that would not be able to leverage any of the work already done as none of that hardware exists. A complete waste of resources.

Not so sure with M1 machines, Apple will dictate which software you run.

Apple does not force you to buy their hardware, as you already know, given that you use an Android phone. However, how exactly does Apple ”dictate which software you run”, on Apple Silicon Macintosh systems (or any other Macintosh)? Nothing stops you from keeping your old tech and never upgrading it. Fortunately for you, you can buy a Windows PC and still run 32-bit games, etc., and rarely have to worry about software being deprecated. Seems like you were already unhappy in the ecosystem, so I encourage you to move to one where you will be happy.

 

[hgmDQnmScv(5^8d>]

Alan, we will have to agree to disagree, you seem to be on a different planet. You love Apple like Big brother, you cannot see what is in front of you. Apple decided not to develop the features for Intel, you call it a waste of resources, I call it greed.

As I understand it Apple in future will be able to control which apps run on the Mac, just like on iPhone, there will be no option to bypass, it will also control which OS you can install on the device, just like iPhone.

As already stated several hundred pages back I am leaving Apple anyway and I also stated Apple is gaining more than it loses so I am sure it will go on being cocky.

 

[Alan Wynn]

I am not going to.

That is awesome. Given that you no longer have an iPhone, you will no longer have an interest in this ecosystem and can go someplace where you can be happy.

Yes, I understand that, the issue here is that I understand that Apple has decided, via greed and nothing more (sure the fan boys can claim it isn't part of the development workflow blah blah) to leave Intel users out in the cold.

You mean, that Apple has decided to bring the features that they develop custom silicon to support from their largest market to their macOS market, and that people with machines that were released over two years before this new software ships will not be able to use.

I am not talking about old Intels, I am talking about brand new machines on sale now. They could if they so wished, developed these features for Intel. They decided not to. I disagree with their choice and won't buy Apple again. End of story.

Sorry, you keep stating as fact things for which you have provided no evidence. What I do not understand is that, given your feelings about the company and their products, why you spend time posting on here? I like many of their choices, and from what I can tell, from when you started posting, you rarely do. I want to make sure they continue to do things I like, and support decisions with which I agree, but I want to be in their ecosystem.

 

[Heat_Fan89]

Just for the record, the term “shyster” is considered by many to be an anti-semitic slur. I’m sure you didn’t know that, but you may want to consider not using it in the future.

Really? Because the common use of the word shyster is who's a shady and unscrupulous individual.

 

[hgmDQnmScv(5^8d>]

That is awesome. Given that you no longer have an iPhone, you will no longer have an interest in this ecosystem and can go someplace where you can be happy.

You mean, that Apple has decided to bring the features that they develop custom silicon to support from their largest market to their macOS market, and that people with machines that were released over two years before this new software ships will not be able to use.

Sorry, you keep stating as fact things for which you have provided no evidence. What I do not understand is that, given your feelings about the company and their products, why you spend time posting on here? I like many of their choices, and from what I can tell, from when you started posting, you rarely do. I want to make sure they continue to do things I like, and support decisions with which I agree, but I want to be in their ecosystem.

This is truly words of a cultist.

You are not getting it, the MacBook Pro on sale now for thousands of dollars will be obsolete before the user even turns it on. Do you not think Apple should place a notice on the sale page of this fact?

So you are stating here now, that it would be impossible for these features to be developed for Intel machines?

I spent 3.5k on an Apple machine in Jan 2020, that's a lot of money to me. Now it's June 2021 and they tell me it won't support everything. If I want to vent I will without the permission of you. I have used Apple products for over a decade. As I stated in my post way back, at once time they was a company that I liked. But companies change. I only post on forums when I want to complain, like most people.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Just for the record, the term “shyster” is considered by many to be an anti-semitic slur. I’m sure you didn’t know that, but you may want to consider not using it in the future.

Thanks for the education, @cmaier. I never had an inclination to use the word before, and after a quick google search, that lack of inclination will remain.

 

[cmaier]

Really? Because the common use of the word shyster is who's a shady and unscrupulous individual.

Actually, the common meaning is limited to lawyers. And, if you google, you will find explanations like:

”Whatever the formal etymology of the offending word, the ignorant people who employ it are not referring to silver-haired patricians at white-shoe law firms. When they mutter the word “shyster,” they’re talking about Jewish lawyers who in their minds are no different from the scheming, devious Shylock.”

Etc.

It’s one of those words that was not originally anti-Semitic in origin but has become so, at least to many people. And if it’s arguably offensive, why use it?

 

[Unregistered 4U]

I only post on forums when I want to complain, like most people.

Do you always do what most people do?

 

[hgmDQnmScv(5^8d>]

Do you always do what most people do?

Well I bought an Android phone.... 😂

 

[SuperMatt]

This is truly words of a cultist.

You are not getting it, the MacBook Pro on sale now for thousands of dollars will be obsolete before the user even turns it on. Do you not think Apple should place a notice on the sale page of this fact?

So you are stating here now, that it would be impossible for these features to be developed for Intel machines?

I spent 3.5k on an Apple machine in Jan 2020, that's a lot of money to me. Now it's June 2021 and they tell me it won't support everything. If I want to vent I will without the permission of you. I have used Apple products for over a decade. As I stated in my post way back, at once time they was a company that I liked. But companies change. I only post on forums when I want to complain, like most people.

Does your computer do what it was advertised to do on the day you bought it? If so, on what grounds are you complaining? You didn’t know what new features would or wouldn’t be added in the future. Complaining so vociferously about not getting something new for free that you didn’t even know existed in Jan 2020 seems a bit dramatic to me.

 

[Alan Wynn]

So you agree that Apple are only doing this to force people to upgrade,

Nope. I think Apple is doing because it is now easy to make features they developed for their dominant platfrom available to users of their smaller platform with almost no additional cost in time, money or developer resources. I cannot imagine there are many people who purchased Intel-based Macintosh systems who look at these features and say: “Wow, I was completely happy with the loud fan, high power draw (and/or short battery life) machine I have, but if I just get an Apple Silicon machine, I will be able to blur backgrounds on FaceTime in September or October so I better upgrade!”

next year the features missing will be bigger.

Almost certainly, as the differences between Apple’s new silicon and Intel’s old (and likely even then current) silicon are likely to increase. Apple’s year over year gains for their processors have been impressive.

For those that are just buying an Intel machine right now, good luck.

I presume that anyone who is buying an Intel-based Macintosh today is doing so because they have specific reasons they want that hardware. Anyone else should either buy an Apple Silicon system or wait until the next set of systems are released.

 

[09872738]

As I understand it Apple in future will be able to control which apps run on the Mac, just like on iPhone, there will be no option to bypass, it will also control which OS you can install on the device, just like iPhone.

There is no reason to believe that

 

[cmaier]

There is no reason to believe that

There are lots of reasons to believe it. Not good reasons, but reasons nonetheless.