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Shooter's iPhone Could Harbor 'Dormant Cyber Pathogen', Claims San Bernardino DA

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Wait a minute!

In that filing he states, "The San Bernardino County District Attorney and his client, The People of the State of California, have a compelling governmental interest in acquiring any evidence . . ."

Last I checked California was still in the United States of America and is governed by the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, and Bill of Rights, wherein it is made quite clear the People have sovereign rights superior to the government, any government, and that any limited enumeration of duties to the government(s) are strictly limited and expressly stated. The government does not have rights.

The SB DA drones on to state, "and in protecting the California Constitutionally guaranteed due process rights of the victims, deceased and living, arising from state crimes . . ."

So after tossing the Federal Constitution they hang their hat on the State Constitution. And in a moment of sheer hypocrisy and failing to toe the party line, admit deceased persons have rights, a stand expressly argued against in the case of the Perp, in the original filing in this case by the FBI/DOJ!

This is a legal quagmire and I for one hope pokes a bunch of holes in common practice of overreaching governmental employees and police practices.
 
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If so, there's only one thing to do: crush it, like the terrorists did. Funny, had the county used the configuration software, they could have assigned passwords on their own, and easily have opened the phone after the mass killing started.
 
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He should have submitted an ‘inimicus curiae’ to the court, because that is not friendly advice to the judge. It is deceiving and malicious to submit something which he obviously just made up.
 
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megadon said:
Not sure why the government is making such a big deal out of this. Seems like a waste of time to draw this out in public.

They just need to pass legislation that makes it illegal for apple not to had over the info instead of creating this battle in the public.
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You don't really understand the situation or case here, do you?

There is no info for Apple to "hand over".
 
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Rocketman said:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kwtwswahbph1jgm/Screenshot 2016-03-04 12.28.06.png?dl=0

Wait a minute!

In that filing he states, "The San Bernardino County District Attorney and his client, The People of the State of California, have a compelling governmental interest in acquiring any evidence . . ."

Last I checked California was still in the United States of America and is governed by that Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, and Bill of rights, wherein it is made quite clear the People have sovereign rights superior to the government, any government, and that any limited enumeration of duties to the government(s) are strictly limited and expressly stated. The government does not have rights.

The SB DA drones on to state, "and in protecting the California Constitutionally guaranteed due process rights of the victims, deceased and living, arising from state crimes . . ."

So after tossing the Federal Constitution they hang their hat on the State Constitution. And in a moment of sheer hypocrisy and failing to toe the party line, admit deceased persons have rights, a stand expressly argued against in the case of the Perp.

This is a legal quagmire and I for one hope pokes a bunch of holes in common practice of overreaching governmental employees and police practices.
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That's the sort of logic-deficient rabbit hole that one necessarily descends down when one is try to circumvent the rights guaranteed by the Constitution. It requires frank Orwellian doublethink to justify it. Unfortunately, that sort of mental gymnastics are part and parcel of the legal subjectivism espoused by those that appeal to emotion rather than demanding that we receive was is guaranteed us: a dispassionate rule of law.
 
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Shanghaichica said:
What a load of twaddle. Now that people know that the phone is unlikely to contain any information pertaining to the case in hand, the FBI are trying to come up with another reason why they need to break into the phone.

Even if it does contain a 'dormant cyber pathogen':rolleyes: Wouldn't it be better to destroy the phone instead of risking the pathogen escaping into the wild when it's unlocked.
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Precisely! Mr. Ramos appears to have been briefed by the FBI.
 
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hajime said:
FBI reminds me of Mulder and Scully
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That was unfair. Dana and Fox are cool. The last season is full of soft disclosure even. If you want to compare FBI to a couple, Victoria Nuland and Robert Kagan would be more appropriate.

Besides that, the real definition of a Dormant Cyber Pathogen is classified and beyond everyones clearance. This type of pathogen is a threat to national security and therefore it cannot be revealed what it is and what it does.

The only thing people need to know is that it's a major threat to the free and the brave and therefore everyone should surrender their last bit of freedom and privacy in order to combat this incredible threat to our free and democratic way of living.

And, if you know anyone that have doubts about this, report them immediately to Homeland Security.

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Rab Simpson said:
What a pile of sodding nonsense. Who does this joker think he's kidding?
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He thinks he's an agent of an increasingly tyrannical state that has been fantastically successfully at manipulating case precedent and the court of public opinion to foster the abdication of civil rights and the rule of law. In that, he's not wrong. Unfortunately, he made the blunder of make this a technical rather than purely rhetorical argument. He's going to be taken to pieces.

I assume you're old enough to remember the sort of extralegal judicial excesses that occurred during the Troubles.
 
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I agree with 99% of the posters here. What's disturbing to me is that, in the outside world, more than 50% of americans think the government is right on this one. I guess that's also why so many people back that idiot man-child Trump though.
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macduke said:
People used to wonder how the people of Germany went from such a kind, cultured people to mass murderers under Hitler. This is how it happens. People are frustrated—I get that. But we're headed quickly down the most dangerous path I could possibly imagine. Like it or not, we've been the beacon of freedom in the world and a staunch defender of freedom and democracy for a couple hundred years. If we go down, the world goes down with us, and much of the world reverts to it's old ways but with new technology that can stifle freedom of speech and expression now more than ever. They can track you from orbit and strike your house from a drone 15 miles away. What sort of uprising can fight against that?
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Well said friend. Agreed 100%

Disclaimer, I'm not a liberal in any sense, and was hoping for the republicans to nominate a moderate, adult, candidate. Instead we have this chaos. It's very unsettling.
 
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robeddie said:
I agree with 99% of the posters here. What's disturbing to me is that, in the outside world, more than 50% of americans think the government is right on this one. I guess that's also why so many people back that idiot man-child Trump though.
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Well said friend. Agreed 100%

Disclaimer, I'm not a liberal in any sense, and was hoping for the republicans to nominate a moderate, adult, candidate. Instead we have this chaos. It's very unsettling.
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Yeah I'm not a liberal either. I'm a moderate who leans conservative on several issues, and tends to be more liberal on protecting the environment (but not to crazed levels). I wish there were more people in the middle but like most things in life, people are polarized one way or another. One side comes up with a good idea and the other side refuses to adopt it just because the other side happens to hold some opposing views on completely unrelated issues. We need to work together more to grow our good ideas and improve the future for our children. My parents and grandparent's generation left us a sh*t sandwich and I'll be damned if I feed it to my baby girl and unborn child.
 
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robeddie said:
I agree with 99% of the posters here. What's disturbing to me is that, in the outside world, more than 50% of americans think the government is right on this one. I guess that's also why so many people back that idiot man-child Trump though.
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FEDGOV has about as much propaganda as Russia, just a different format.

Trump, despite the outside of the box rhetoric, which is totally planned, has increased voter participation in R 60%+ and D 30%-. That impact should be considered independently from his wacky ways.
 
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Yeah I'm not a liberal either. I'm a moderate who leans conservative on several issues, and tends to be more liberal on protecting the environment (but not to crazed levels). I wish there were more people in the middle but like most things in life, people are polarized one way or another. .
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I actually think, and maybe it's more of a hope ... that there's more of us 'moderates' than any of the polarized people on the left or right, we're just not screaming at the top of our lungs like they are. I guess I'll have to lift a term from Nixon - we're the 'silent majority'. I hope I'm right on that;)
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Rocketman said:
FEDGOV has about as much propaganda as Russia, just a different format.

Trump, despite the outside of the box rhetoric, which is totally planned, has increased voter participation in R 60%+ and D 30%-. That impact should be considered independently from his wacky ways.
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If all the new 'voters' are a bunch of uninformed hicks who like him because he uses schoolyard insults and doesn't even seem to know that the KKK is bad, then I'd have to submit that we are better off when we have lower voter participation, with voters who are actually thinking through this stuff, not just voting on their visceral reaction.
 
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robeddie said:
I actually think, and maybe it's more of a hope ... that there's more of us 'moderates' than any of the polarized people on the left or right, we're just not screaming at the top of our lungs like they are. I guess I'll have to lift a term from Nixon - we're the 'silent majority'. I hope I'm right on that;)
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Well if that's the case then we need to stop being silent and get our asses out to vote, lol. It would also be helpful if the republicans could consolidate down to one person vs. Trump as they keep splitting the vote. But I honestly doubt Trump would have a shot at winning in November. Even still, the possibility is scary as hell.
 
Should the phone be destroyed then? Why offer the potential of releasing such a damaging pathogen for the sake of accessing said pathogen. If I know a petri dish has a virulent contagion, why would I want to open it? Reeks of Government finding loopholes to end run what has been established by district judges (NY judge ruled feds can't force Apple to unlock device).
 
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