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One must consider one’s ecosystem before deciding on whether ProRes is a good idea.

Storage won’t be on iCloud. Requires traditional backing up on two hard drives in two locations for the important stuff.
Editing won’t be fun on an old machine. Requires investment there including possible SSD space depending on your editor and whether it can run well with proxy files.
 
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There's really no excuse for this, other than pushing higher storage options.

iPhone 12 128GB can write at least 400MB/sec. So it's obviously not speed related.

and it's obviously storage related, for anyone willing to a) google and b) do some math c) not limit themselves to the one thing they felt like thinking about (storage speed? yet you skip right past capacity so you can what, make a point about being upset about a feature you clearly know nothing about, and thus wont even be using?)


luckily those guys did it for us. but in the interest of finding multiple sources, another site's math says a 128gb device would be full within 5 hrs of 4k30 recording, no mention of HDR

that first link also did math to get a bit rate of 31.1mbps. apple's lowest tier prores format boasts a bit rate of 45mbps, and goes up to 105mbps from there.

this move makes sense from a "we're trying to make sure your device isnt going to slow to a crawl once you wipe out the usable space for file swapping."

having done a great deal of 4k60DV recording, and also video editing, this is hardly a bad choice to implement.

"waaaah just let the user have it anyway!"

user: "waaaaaaaah apple why is my phone always out of space"

besides, anyone recording a great deal of 4k60HDR videos on their iphone already took into account how much storage space this stuff takes, making this a non issue.
 
It’ll be fun pulling 1TB worth of data off this with Lightning. Why oh why don’t they update to a backwards compatible Lightning 2.0 spec, or just bite the bullet and go USB C. It’s too slow for such large storage options.
 
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It’ll be fun pulling 1TB worth of data off this with Lightning. Why oh why don’t they update to a backwards compatible Lightning 2.0 spec, or just bite the bullet and go USB C. It’s too slow for such large storage options.
Wait and see if it’s USB 3.0. If they include a cable, that will be a giveaway (no pun intended).
 
It’ll be fun pulling 1TB worth of data off this with Lightning. Why oh why don’t they update to a backwards compatible Lightning 2.0 spec, or just bite the bullet and go USB C. It’s too slow for such large storage options.

I heard that iPad Pro 1st and 2nd gen have USB3 over Lightning. If you look inside their Lightning port you'll see there's pins on both top and bottom.
 
Apple has truly lost it they droned on about how important Type-C was on the iPad mini to interact with devices and do large data transfers. But it has a weak sauce camera....

Then they talk about high quality massive data usage around filming with iPhone 13 Pro. USB 2.0 transfer rates no Type-C.

"Pro"
I doubt we will ever see USB-C. We’ll go straight from Lightning to nothing.
 
Correct me if I've wrong (and there's a high probability of that), but didn't Apple under Jobs' reign operate under the core belief that each product should be easy to explain, easy to use and appeal to the average Joe? How many average Joe's see 4K ProRes and understand it, let alone want it? Seems like Apple is trying to sell something that very few people asked for.
that’s why it is a pro feature not mass market 13 feature

also jobs is not in the company anymore
 
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Correct me if I've wrong (and there's a high probability of that), but didn't Apple under Jobs' reign operate under the core belief that each product should be easy to explain, easy to use and appeal to the average Joe? How many average Joe's see 4K ProRes and understand it, let alone want it? Seems like Apple is trying to sell something that very few people asked for.
Well, but the problem is - from the typical consumer’s perspective, smartphones have been feature complete for quite some time now. Apple (as well as Google, Samsung, etc etc …) doesn’t want to be in the commodity phone business - so all they’ve got for selling points with every new generation phone are the shiny new features that most people don’t actually need and are unlikely to ever really use.
 
I understand ProRes might take up something crazy like 5gb per minute, but if someone wants to fill up their 128gb iPhone with just ProRes videos, who's Apple to tell them they can't?

I imagine there will quickly be a jailbreak tweak to get around this.
And why would it be okay for the 256GB model? If you can only do like 10minutes of video on the 128Gb model, the 256GB model will only give you like 20 minutes. If the recording capacity is the excuse, then they should only enable this on the 512Gb model or larger.
 
right. or apple shoulve made 256gb standard.
Exactly. If it’s about the I/O speed, then it’s a design “flaw” that the 128GB model of the SAME phone is incapable of using the same feature. This is embarrassing for a “Pro” model that cost $1000. Apple should’ve just put 256GB standard.

Imagine going to a McDonald and they told you the regular Happy Meal won’t come with the toys, only the upsized ones (despite advertising Happy meals with toys).
 
ProRes is interesting (especially for editing purposes), but I would imagine that the two biggest differences between iPhone and a professional cinema camera with professional lenses are 1)control over depth of field and 2)dynamic range. How much does ProRes help make an iPhone 13 Pro look like a $50K Alexa Mini setup? I’m skeptical that it does much to narrow the gap.

That said, I hope to be proven wrong once the phone is released and we’re able to see what people create.
I think you nailed it. The codec doesn’t really matter, it’s the bit rate mostly, and the total available information. ProRes by itself doesn’t mean much, ProRes 4444 would, but you also don’t need that unless the iPhone suddenly has 17 stops available.
 
This seems like an unnecessary limitation.

Does the 256GB model similarly restrict this feature if available storage drops below 128gb? if not why does the capacity of the phone matter?

Sounds like an artificial constraint imposed just to goad buyers into buying the next model up.
 
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