Should Apple allow users to downgrade to ios 6?

[Dented]

There might be some reasons for Apple not to want this, but that really doesn't mean much for us, the consumers.

Depends on your definition of "much" - what it means in this case is that downgrading is never going to happen.

There is no form of "consumer power" which is going to force them to re-release IOS 6. You can rail against it, you can leave the platform and get another phone, you will not get back IOS 6. The end.

 

[edhchoe]

I voted yes for rollback option. But now I am not so sure whether Apple should or should not. It would be nice but should they?

There is an Asian adage. If the monk doesn't like the temple he should leave. (The temple cannot move or charge its way. )

I left. Got my galaxy note 3 and enjoying the change and the new challenges of getting to know a new system!

 

[iEvolution]

Yes cusomers should have choices. Of course if youre buying Apple you should know you have limited choices.

personally I have liked iOS7 but some dont and I think they should have a choice.

The fact this poll got so many no votes goes to show you how some consumers just dont care about anyone but themselves. If it works for me who cares about anyone else?

 

[squeakr]

The fact this poll got so many no votes goes to show you how some consumers just dont care about anyone but themselves. If it works for me who cares about anyone else?

So if someone votes no they are only being selfish and thinking of themselves? This is an opinion poll of whether one thinks downgrading should be allowed by Apple and not whether downgrading would help some people. It is quite a stretch and a lot of speculation to think that people are voting no due entirely to the fact they are not affected and selfish.

 

[Altis]

Depends on your definition of "much" - what it means in this case is that downgrading is never going to happen.

There is no form of "consumer power" which is going to force them to re-release IOS 6. You can rail against it, you can leave the platform and get another phone, you will not get back IOS 6. The end.

I'm just curious, why are you so involved in these topics just to tell people it won't ever, ever, evvvveeerr happen, the end, etc...

You're probably right, but people are still allowed to be upset about it and discuss reasons why Apple should rethink their policy on have a 0-1 day window to revert when there are crippling problems.

That's what a discussion forum is all about. People use absolutes such as "never", and then things change... Again, you're probably right. But you've made that point many a times..

Doesn't change the fact that many people out there wish they could. It's those many people that allowed Apple and its army of app developers to become so successful in the first place.

So if someone votes no they are only being selfish and thinking of themselves? This is an opinion poll of whether one thinks downgrading should be allowed by Apple and not whether downgrading would help some people. It is quite a stretch and a lot of speculation to think that people are voting no due entirely to the fact they are not affected and selfish.

How exactly does it affect you? Are you upset at the millions of people who are holding off for a stable release?

 

[C DM]

Depends on your definition of "much" - what it means in this case is that downgrading is never going to happen.

There is no form of "consumer power" which is going to force them to re-release IOS 6. You can rail against it, you can leave the platform and get another phone, you will not get back IOS 6. The end.

We can still talk about it nonetheless.

 

[squeakr]

How exactly does it affect you? Are you upset at the millions of people who are holding off for a stable release?

As for the issue, it doesn't affect me nor does it affect you as this is just an opinion poll and more than likely won't change Apples mind or philosophy regarding this.

It affects me as a judgement, as you are insulting and belittling everyone voting only a certain way for no reason other than superiority or hatred (not sure which you are going for). Did you make a judgement call towards those that voted yes? No you didn't, but you shoe horned and judged everyone that voted no as selfish and uncaring. If the same sort of question was pondered against obamacare would a no answer mean the same people are selfish and haven't compassion or caring for man kind and others? People vote certain ways for personal reasons and not for the caring and good of a populous. Insulting them for that is wrong in my opinion. Oh wait that can't be as I have already been deemed uncaring for fellow man.

 

[hyhybt]

Anyone have a rationale specifically for their being a *short* downgrade window? I see arguments for allowing and for not allowing, but I don't see much specifically addressing why they would allow it at all, but only for a few days.

Blaming people for installing updates and then finding out they don't like them is silly; no matter how many pictures you see and how many posts you read from people who like and don't like it, you don't really know whether you'll like it or not until you've actually tried it. (I was afraid, from reading here, that I'd hate it, until going to Best Buy and playing with their display iPads. Now I'm again eager.) And while some people will go "yuck" and revert immediately, the way Apple's done it seems to punish most those who aren't sure but try to give it a fair chance, to see if they'll like it once they're used to it, and then find that they don't.

 

[Shrink]

We can still talk about it nonetheless.

To what purpose?

 

[KALLT]

Anyone have a rationale specifically for their being a *short* downgrade window? I see arguments for allowing and for not allowing, but I don't see much specifically addressing why they would allow it at all, but only for a few days.

That's a very good question. I suppose once iOS 7 is released, there is no need for Apple to sign iOS 6 for capable devices anymore. I could imagine that it was necessary to wait for those devices that were restoring to iOS 6 right at the time when iOS 7 was released, but that could not have been more than a few hours or a day. I think Apple actually did provide a grace period for a couple of days, since they could have revoked the signature much sooner.

 

[C DM]

To what purpose?

For whatever purpose that might suit those that wish to discuss it.

 

[Shrink]

For whatever purpose that might suit those that wish to discuss it.

Doesn't answer my question...but if you works for you, great!

 

[Baklava]

I would chose 'No' if iPhone 4 would not support iOS7.

 

[TheOtherKind]

Depends on your definition of "much" - what it means in this case is that downgrading is never going to happen.

There is no form of "consumer power" which is going to force them to re-release IOS 6. You can rail against it, you can leave the platform and get another phone, you will not get back IOS 6. The end.

I personally don't think a downgrade option will happen even if it should...that would be egg on the face of all the "record adoption rates"...but on the subject of "never" , if I recall correctly, Apple was never going to make a phone or 7" tablet either...

 

[needfx]

other??

 

[Dented]

I'm just curious, why are you so involved in these topics just to tell people it won't ever, ever, evvvveeerr happen, the end, etc...

Because I hate to see people pouring so much wasted effort in the wrong direction for one. If you're experiencing bugs then by all means blow the roof off, shout as loud as you can and make Apple hear you - but if you want the fix for those bugs to be a downgrade? Nah. If you're going to direct all your activity here and elsewhere toward some sort of campaign to go back to IOS 6 I'm going to keep telling you what a waste of time that is, as a kindness to you.

And the other reason? I completely and absolutely agree with Apple's line on this, not because it's right for them as a company, but because it's 100% right for IOS as a platform.

 

[C DM]

Because I hate to see people pouring so much wasted effort in the wrong direction for one. If you're experiencing bugs then by all means blow the roof off, shout as loud as you can and make Apple hear you - but if you want the fix for those bugs to be a downgrade? Nah. If you're going to direct all your activity here and elsewhere toward some sort of campaign to go back to IOS 6 I'm going to keep telling you what a waste of time that is, as a kindness to you.

And the other reason? I completely and absolutely agree with Apple's line on this, not because it's right for them as a company, but because it's 100% right for IOS as a platform.

Sounds like people can decide what to do with their time themselves, right? Certainly doesn't affect anyone else if they want to spend discussing something that they want to discuss no matter how unlikely they something might be.

 

[Dented]

Sounds like people can decide what to do with their time themselves, right? Certainly doesn't affect anyone else if they want to spend discussing something that they want to discuss no matter how unlikely they something might be.

And I can discuss how wrong they are? Good, we're agreed, let's call it "the Internet".

 

[C DM]

And I can discuss how wrong they are? Good, we're agreed, let's call it "the Internet".

Sure, discussing works, but simply saying and repeating something to the effect of "wrong", "not going to happen", and/or "the end" and that's basically it doesn't make a discussion. That's the part that most that do that seem to simply ignore (weather willingly or not).

 

[byke]

I think Jonny Ive should fire Tim cook for not even writing said letter.

 

[Altis]

As for the issue, it doesn't affect me nor does it affect you as this is just an opinion poll and more than likely won't change Apples mind or philosophy regarding this.

It affects me as a judgement, as you are insulting and belittling everyone voting only a certain way for no reason other than superiority or hatred (not sure which you are going for). Did you make a judgement call towards those that voted yes? No you didn't, but you shoe horned and judged everyone that voted no as selfish and uncaring. If the same sort of question was pondered against obamacare would a no answer mean the same people are selfish and haven't compassion or caring for man kind and others? People vote certain ways for personal reasons and not for the caring and good of a populous. Insulting them for that is wrong in my opinion. Oh wait that can't be as I have already been deemed uncaring for fellow man.

I'm pretty sure you have me mistaken for someone else. I've not been insulting or personal towards anyone in this thread. The comments you've referred are from other posters. But, thanks.

I don't care for poll results, although the poll suggests that a little more than half the Apple fans (remember, many people are here because they love their Apple ecosystem) voted yes. I care for opinions and valid arguments as to why one would feel it's best that others don't get what they want, despite it not affecting them. Having a longer window for iOS 6 reverts while iOS 7 is fixed (again, read carefully... longer window, not indefinite), has only benefits.

Obamacare is not my problem, I'm not in the U.S. But to take your analogy, I imagine it's similar to those who can afford and have private healthcare vote against it, and those who would benefit/need it vote for it.

Only with Apple, it's not your tax dollars.

 

[Altis]

Because I hate to see people pouring so much wasted effort in the wrong direction for one. If you're experiencing bugs then by all means blow the roof off, shout as loud as you can and make Apple hear you - but if you want the fix for those bugs to be a downgrade? Nah. If you're going to direct all your activity here and elsewhere toward some sort of campaign to go back to IOS 6 I'm going to keep telling you what a waste of time that is, as a kindness to you.

And the other reason? I completely and absolutely agree with Apple's line on this, not because it's right for them as a company, but because it's 100% right for IOS as a platform.

I understand it's likely a request that won't be granted, but that's the topic of this discussion, so it is what it is.

I'm never saying the fix to the bugs is to downgrade... I'm suggesting that reverting back to iOS 6 so you don't have to endure the bugs while Apple fixes them is best.

Nobody knows how long it will be before every bug is fixed, but things generally ran quite well on iOS 6. I feel even worse for those that use their devices for business and interacting with clients... bugs for them must be awfully difficult to endure, and at times, embarrassing. When you're trying to display something to a customer and Safari crashes, springboard restarts, etc... Battery dies though it was at 12% still.

Please don't think I feel Apple should offer iOS 6 indefinitely. But since those people enduring bugs are not contributing one bit to the solution, letting them run iOS 6 until the bugs are ironed out is just the right thing to do.

It'll be a while until everyone moves up anyways. My iPad 1 and 3GS run iOS 5/6 just fine with no app issues yet. I don't expect this to be the case forever, as developers are no longer designing for these pieces of hardware or software, but even still it's pretty good until I upgrade my hardware. For now, they run better than my iOS 7 iPhone.

And nobody's "pouring" any more effort into iOS 6. I don't know why you think that, as everything currently works fine on iOS 6, and extending the window for a few weeks/months/whenever they fix up iOS 7, really doesn't take any additional effort. You make it sound like they'll have to take everyone off the iOS 7 developments to support iOS 6, but it's set up for a little while.

 

[SusanK]

I understand it's likely a request that won't be granted, but that's the topic of this discussion, so it is what it is.

I'm never saying the fix to the bugs is to downgrade... I'm suggesting that reverting back to iOS 6 so you don't have to endure the bugs while Apple fixes them is best.

Nobody knows how long it will be before every bug is fixed, but things generally ran quite well on iOS 6. I feel even worse for those that use their devices for business and interacting with clients... bugs for them must be awfully difficult to endure, and at times, embarrassing. When you're trying to display something to a customer and Safari crashes, springboard restarts, etc... Battery dies though it was at 12% still.

Please don't think I feel Apple should offer iOS 6 indefinitely. But since those people enduring bugs are not contributing one bit to the solution, letting them run iOS 6 until the bugs are ironed out is just the right thing to do.

It'll be a while until everyone moves up anyways. My iPad 1 and 3GS run iOS 5/6 just fine with no app issues yet. I don't expect this to be the case forever, as developers are no longer designing for these pieces of hardware or software, but even still it's pretty good until I upgrade my hardware. For now, they run better than my iOS 7 iPhone.

And nobody's "pouring" any more effort into iOS 6. I don't know why you think that, as everything currently works fine on iOS 6, and extending the window for a few weeks/months/whenever they fix up iOS 7, really doesn't take any additional effort. You make it sound like they'll have to take everyone off the iOS 7 developments to support iOS 6, but it's set up for a little while.

Voice of reason. Thank you!

 

[Italianblend]

Regardless, apple is just too stubborn to do this anyway.

 

[Armen]

I understand it's likely a request that won't be granted, but that's the topic of this discussion, so it is what it is.

I'm never saying the fix to the bugs is to downgrade... I'm suggesting that reverting back to iOS 6 so you don't have to endure the bugs while Apple fixes them is best.

Nobody knows how long it will be before every bug is fixed, but things generally ran quite well on iOS 6. I feel even worse for those that use their devices for business and interacting with clients... bugs for them must be awfully difficult to endure, and at times, embarrassing. When you're trying to display something to a customer and Safari crashes, springboard restarts, etc... Battery dies though it was at 12% still.

Please don't think I feel Apple should offer iOS 6 indefinitely. But since those people enduring bugs are not contributing one bit to the solution, letting them run iOS 6 until the bugs are ironed out is just the right thing to do.

It'll be a while until everyone moves up anyways. My iPad 1 and 3GS run iOS 5/6 just fine with no app issues yet. I don't expect this to be the case forever, as developers are no longer designing for these pieces of hardware or software, but even still it's pretty good until I upgrade my hardware. For now, they run better than my iOS 7 iPhone.

And nobody's "pouring" any more effort into iOS 6. I don't know why you think that, as everything currently works fine on iOS 6, and extending the window for a few weeks/months/whenever they fix up iOS 7, really doesn't take any additional effort. You make it sound like they'll have to take everyone off the iOS 7 developments to support iOS 6, but it's set up for a little while.

You are assuming that every iOS device running iOS 7 is experiencing the same issues. This is not the case. I for one do not have a problem with my battery nor does my safari crash/freeze (come to think of it, it hasnt ever). My iphone 5 has re-sprung a few times here and there but it's not a daily routine. When I go to settings it does dump me back to the springboard at least once a day. I just shrug and carry on.

There are 1000's of users out there on iOS 7 where the experience is positive. They are not going to come here to "check in" their experience.