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So Microsoft should get to decide what software you’re allowed to install? The only 2 ISPs in your town get to block all web traffic that’s critical of the Republican Party? That’s an... interesting take.

I used to wonder how ideologies like fascism and communism swept over nations and destroyed them so quickly. Turns out the answer is pretty simple: large swaths of the population really like authoritarianism.
This doesn’t make any sense. Apple isn’t the only choice.
 
TO ME, THIS IS THE BIGGEST NEWS EVER (the rest of the interview/article is mostly just regurgitating already known stuff). Wow, Tim talks about how long he will remain as CEO. I wonder who will be next in line (I know, probably Jeff Williams). Nevertheless it will be so interesting to see where Apple will head and how this CEO transition will play out. Really really surprising and amazing stuff.

This also puts into question how Tim's current AR plans and the grand scheme of things will proceed once he is out. Time will fly, and he will only be here for a few more generations/years of iPhone. I really wonder what the next big thing is going to be. There are so many exciting projects (AR glasses, Apple Silicon transition continues, Apple Car etc) on the horizon
He's done an amazing job with Apple. You honestly have no idea what his daily work entails to pass such judgement. And be careful what you wish for, if he's gone Apple could end up with another "Steve Ballmer" type and totally mess up the company. Some people here need to find more things to do in their life then crap on a CEO who they do not truly know or even know the CEO's work outside of some public interviews. Maybe YOU should do his job if you feel he's not capable. 🙄
 
And yet macOS supports sideloading apps. What a load of BS. The sandboxing technology is completely unrelated to where an app was installed from.
macOS brings little to no revenue toward Apple’s bottom line, so it’s pointless to keep it as “secure” as an iPhone. Remember that iPhone is the cashcow so gotta keep it as “secure” as possible to keep the cash flowing.
 
His argument about curating is full of hogwash. However, if someone does NOT want a curated experience, I think that person should be allowed to do so without going through annoying steps to do so. And without voiding the warranty. If it means someone buys and installs an .ipa directly from the publisher's website, or through an alternative platform.

Perhaps there can be some sort of "Trust" system that say for example Steve's Apps sells apps. It is an actual app like the regular App Store. You can browse and buy. Steve's server handles storage and transactions just as Apple does. But long as they're not selling anything illegal, not scamming the transactions, Apple gives you some sort of private key that shows 'verified by apple' or something that provides users a higher level of comfort that it is a legit, alternative store. If Apple still somehow makes some money, if not the commission, perhaps they can get some sort of blessing. However, the content, if it is adult content/mature content, or perhaps a web browser that doesnt use webkit, makes competing software that apple would never approve of, then there would be no monoply concerns, apple will be more at ease, customers would be more at ease, and everyone is then happy.
 
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macOS brings little to no revenue toward Apple’s bottom line, so it’s pointless to keep it as “secure” as an iPhone. Remember that iPhone is the cashcow so gotta keep it as “secure” as possible to keep the cash flowing.
Also, I imagine that a lot of Mac users are reasonably computer/tech savvy. With the iPhone being more of a consumer item I’m thinking there will be a larger percentage of users that are not.
 
His argument about curating is full of hogwash. However, if someone does NOT want a curated experience, I think that person should be allowed to do so without going through annoying steps to do so. And without voiding the warranty. If it means someone buys and installs an .ipa directly from the publisher's website, or through an alternative platform.

Perhaps there can be some sort of "Trust" system that say for example Steve's Apps sells apps. It is an actual app like the regular App Store. You can browse and buy. Steve's server handles storage and transactions just as Apple does. But long as they're not selling anything illegal, not scamming the transactions, Apple gives you some sort of private key that shows 'verified by apple' or something that provides users a higher level of comfort that it is a legit, alternative store. If Apple still somehow makes some money, if not the commission, perhaps they can get some sort of blessing. However, the content, if it is adult content/mature content, or perhaps a web browser that doesnt use webkit, makes competing software that apple would never approve of, then there would be no monoply concerns, apple will be more at ease, customers would be more at ease, and everyone is then happy.
You can already get an uncurated experience…
 
As a developer, I hate that I'm forced to use App Store distribution (and some enterprise stuff, but that only works for select use cases) and that I'm therefore limited to Apple-approved ways of doing things (so no low-level tinkery).

As a user, I love that all available apps can be found in the App Store and that I don't have to worry about unsigned stuff running on my iPhone. Sure, App Store reviews aren't perfect, but they're clearly better than nothing.

I can't see any way to make both sides perfectly happy, and if I'd have to choose, I'd prefer to keep things as they are, except for two things:
  • Standardized commission of 10%
  • No "objectionable content" rejections; if an app is legal in a region, it should be allowed to be distributed (this includes information about drone strike casualties, adult stuff etc.). Showing a warning is fine, as is blocking access for minors.
What about VPN and BBC app in China?
 
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No, people aren't idiots.

Whether a person is tech-savvy or not, she deserves to know what's going on, and have some choice in her apps are coming from. It isn't just a developer problem; it's a user education problem.

Even if I don't know/care initially where a certain app came from, I'd rather know than not know, and once I know, I think the experience can be much better than the App Store. I'm not just talking about payment systems (needing to go through my Apple ID, paying extra for apps because developers are bundling in the Apple tax) or sideloading otherwise-censored apps. You also have local vendors that are much better at search-indexing in their native languages, game stores that are better at marketing/showcasing their content because they're curated by game developers, a medical app store that's more trustworthy -- and doesn't need a one-size-fits-all Apple guidance or "don't take our medical advice, call 911" type of disclaimer -- because it's curated by a trusted medical company, etc. etc. and a whole slew of other choices that can give the user a better experience.

TLDR: People are knowledgeable and they deserve to be able to exercise that. This argument that users wouldn't know any better and would get their phones into a hot mess of sideloaded apps is dumbing people down way too much. Treat people like they are intelligent beings and they will respond as such. If they don't, then use the UI (and other malware/silent detection built into the OS) to guide them.

As others have pointed out, macOS users are doing just fine. Humans didn't just become dumber because they started using the iPhone.
You sound like someone that has never actually met any other people. Because the average person is way stupider than you think they are.
 
As a developer, I hate that I'm forced to use App Store distribution (and some enterprise stuff, but that only works for select use cases) and that I'm therefore limited to Apple-approved ways of doing things (so no low-level tinkery).
Of course, if you have the source code and provisional profile, you could just build straight onto the device. Granted, you won't get all the features from TestFlight / App Store, but at least it rides for "free".

Hurray for "side loading" :p
 
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Doesn't appear to be ANY mention of:

1.) Fixing the NON-Game portion of the iOS App Store.

2.) AAPL's complete & total stranglehold on App Discovery in the iOS App Store.

3.) Why Apple is so afraid of promoting OR recommending third-party App Engineering Accomplishments in its "curated" iOS App Store.

Too bad, Cook had a chance to begin telling Apple's side of "the Story" on those very important topics.
 
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So Microsoft should get to decide what software you’re allowed to install? The only 2 ISPs in your town get to block all web traffic that’s critical of the Republican Party? That’s an... interesting take.

I used to wonder how ideologies like fascism and communism swept over nations and destroyed them so quickly. Turns out the answer is pretty simple: large swaths of the population really like authoritarianism.
I would say ou can'y compare MS to Apple as they are completely different. MS is strictly software and Apple is an entire ecosystem...software and hardware.

As far as ISP's I don't think you should be locked into and ISP, but that comes back to dollars. The ISP gets a contract because they spend the money to install, maintain and run the infrastructure. I think maybe the twins should do it, but that would raise your taxes if the townships, cities had to take ownership of it.

As far as your other point, I think that is not a conversation for here.
 


In a wide-ranging interview with The New York Times' Kara Swisher, on her podcast "Sway," Apple CEO Tim Cook talks about Apple's feud with Facebook, its stance on privacy, Apple's legal battle with Epic Games, and possible future Apple innovations such as Apple Glasses.

tim-cook-apple-park.jpg

Apple is in the midst of a heated public spat with Facebook over privacy, particularly over an upcoming feature on iOS that will require apps to ask for users consent before tracking them.

The new feature called ATT, or App Tracking Transparency, coming with iOS 14.5 in "a few weeks," according to Cook, will force apps to ask users for permission to track them across other apps and websites. Facebook has argued vehemently against the new feature, saying it impacts small businesses that rely on personalized ads, derived from tracking, to keep afloat.

Tim Cook says he disagrees with that argument, indirectly saying that Facebook's point of view is "flimsy." Cook calls privacy the "top issue of the 21st century," adding that with tracking, companies, such as Facebook are able to put "together an entire profile of what you're thinking and what you're doing."
When asked how the new feature will impact Facebook, Cook says he's not "focused on Facebook," saying Apple adds new tools and features every year that improves and doubles down on user privacy. Speaking more specifically to what actions may need to be taken against companies that track users, Cook says he used to be a firm believer in the ability for companies to regulate themselves but notes that's now changed.


In a speech at a privacy conference in January, Cook strongly condemned social media companies that fuel conspiracy theories thanks to their algorithms. Cook says that Apple doesn't have a social media platform that is "pushing stuff in your feed," but notes it does have the App Store which it takes careful consideration in curating content for.

Cook in typical Apple fashion never comments on future, unreleased Apple products. However, possibly hinting at Apple Glasses, Cook says AR is "critically" important for the future of Apple. The CEO envisions a future where conversations include more than just words, but include charts, and "other things" appearing in a virtual space.
Speaking about Apple's fight with Epic Games, Cook says that Epic had long followed App Store rules, but decided to no longer follow the guidelines all other developers follow. Cook says Apple is "confident" in its case with the gaming giant.

One of Epic Games' biggest arguments about the Apple ecosystem is the lack of so-called "freedom" for users to download apps from places other than the App Store. Many have long voiced their hope that Apple would allow users to sideload apps onto their device, such as the iPhone. Cook says that sideloading apps, however, would "break the privacy and security" model of the iPhone.

In the remainder of the podcast, Tim Cook talks about his relationship with the President Biden administration and said he "probably" will not be Apple's CEO in 10 years. The full 36-minute long podcast is available over at The New York Times.

Article Link: Sideloading Apps Would 'Break' the Security and Privacy of iPhone, Says Tim Cook
Seeing Tim Cook lying to a judge deliberately like that is rather repugnant. After the customer purchased the device Apple should no longer “own it.”
 
I would update straight to 14.5, because I like this privacy focused features; however, many people is complaining about Bluetooth issues (apparently those issues are already happening on 14.4.2) and connectivity issues when switching from WiFi to LTE/5G and viceversa. So, I guess the safest is not update until all this issues are solved, maybe by 14.5.1 or even 14.6?
@reden what do you disagree with? Just with your downvote you aren’t contributing to the discussion at all. I stand by what I said: iOS 14.5 is causing issues of WiFi/data switching connections, as well as the well known Bluetooth connection issues. I think it is safe to stay at 14.4.2 (with all the security patches) until all the issues of 14.5 are solved, eventually, in 14.5.2, 14.6 or any other version with less bugs.
 
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So Microsoft should get to decide what software you’re allowed to install? The only 2 ISPs in your town get to block all web traffic that’s critical of the Republican Party? That’s an... interesting take.

I used to wonder how ideologies like fascism and communism swept over nations and destroyed them so quickly. Turns out the answer is pretty simple: large swaths of the population really like authoritarianism.

How is that related to the retail example I mentioned just now? As if the retail model in my example would lead to authoritarian anything.
 
I would update straight to 14.5, because I like this privacy focused features; however, many people is complaining about Bluetooth issues (apparently those issues are already happening on 14.4.2) and connectivity issues when switching from WiFi to LTE/5G and viceversa. So, I guess the safest is not update until all this issues are solved, maybe by 14.5.1 or even 14.6?
Thing is newest iOS is designed so that only Apple can steal your data. Its in they’re own benefit not to share it or sell so they can be the only ones smashing competitors.
 
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Also, I imagine that a lot of Mac users are reasonably computer/tech savvy. With the iPhone being more of a consumer item I’m thinking there will be a larger percentage of users that are not.
I would completely agree with that. If you look at user base percentages MS is way more dominant than Mac and they are the only two....excluding Unix, Linix, If you go in to the mobile world that, again are mostly two dominant players...Android and iOS and here iOS is the more widely used choice.

I think at this point mobile devices are considered consumer items much more than pocket sized computers. They are in the same category as buying and appliance, or clothing, etc.
 
I would update straight to 14.5, because I like this privacy focused features; however, many people is complaining about Bluetooth issues (apparently those issues are already happening on 14.4.2) and connectivity issues when switching from WiFi to LTE/5G and viceversa. So, I guess the safest is not update until all this issues are solved, maybe by 14.5.1 or even 14.6?
Thing is newest iOS is designed so that only Apple can steal your data. Its in they’re own benefit not to share it or sell so they can be the only ones smashing competitors.


In a wide-ranging interview with The New York Times' Kara Swisher, on her podcast "Sway," Apple CEO Tim Cook talks about Apple's feud with Facebook, its stance on privacy, Apple's legal battle with Epic Games, and possible future Apple innovations such as Apple Glasses.

tim-cook-apple-park.jpg

Apple is in the midst of a heated public spat with Facebook over privacy, particularly over an upcoming feature on iOS that will require apps to ask for users consent before tracking them.

The new feature called ATT, or App Tracking Transparency, coming with iOS 14.5 in "a few weeks," according to Cook, will force apps to ask users for permission to track them across other apps and websites. Facebook has argued vehemently against the new feature, saying it impacts small businesses that rely on personalized ads, derived from tracking, to keep afloat.

Tim Cook says he disagrees with that argument, indirectly saying that Facebook's point of view is "flimsy." Cook calls privacy the "top issue of the 21st century," adding that with tracking, companies, such as Facebook are able to put "together an entire profile of what you're thinking and what you're doing."
When asked how the new feature will impact Facebook, Cook says he's not "focused on Facebook," saying Apple adds new tools and features every year that improves and doubles down on user privacy. Speaking more specifically to what actions may need to be taken against companies that track users, Cook says he used to be a firm believer in the ability for companies to regulate themselves but notes that's now changed.


In a speech at a privacy conference in January, Cook strongly condemned social media companies that fuel conspiracy theories thanks to their algorithms. Cook says that Apple doesn't have a social media platform that is "pushing stuff in your feed," but notes it does have the App Store which it takes careful consideration in curating content for.

Cook in typical Apple fashion never comments on future, unreleased Apple products. However, possibly hinting at Apple Glasses, Cook says AR is "critically" important for the future of Apple. The CEO envisions a future where conversations include more than just words, but include charts, and "other things" appearing in a virtual space.
Speaking about Apple's fight with Epic Games, Cook says that Epic had long followed App Store rules, but decided to no longer follow the guidelines all other developers follow. Cook says Apple is "confident" in its case with the gaming giant.

One of Epic Games' biggest arguments about the Apple ecosystem is the lack of so-called "freedom" for users to download apps from places other than the App Store. Many have long voiced their hope that Apple would allow users to sideload apps onto their device, such as the iPhone. Cook says that sideloading apps, however, would "break the privacy and security" model of the iPhone.

In the remainder of the podcast, Tim Cook talks about his relationship with the President Biden administration and said he "probably" will not be Apple's CEO in 10 years. The full 36-minute long podcast is available over at The New York Times.

Article Link: Sideloading Apps Would 'Break' the Security and Privacy of iPhone, Says Tim Cook
I think he meant.. “we believe in curation so we review every app to discover new ways remove and copy innovators.” 😂
 
Sideloading of apps also compromises security on a mac. Yet I can do it. So let me do it on my iPhone, too. I'm a grown up, let me decide how I use my own device.
I guess Tim knows that argument very well, and he probably agrees. But he will come to the opposite conclusion to fix the inconsistency.
 
Dear Tim,

Sideloading apps would primarily break App Store revenues and its de facto monopoly, you know it, we know that you know, and you know that we know that you know it.

The fact that Bitcoin scams pass through the App Store review like air passes through a sieve, speaks volumes about the quality and security of your infrastructure.

Now pull the other one, it's got bells on.
Why Windows and Android requires so much additional virus software. I have a long very positive history with Apple security processes. Number one being the App Store. No changes needed.
 
Seeing Tim Cook lying to a judge deliberately like that is rather repugnant. After the customer purchased the device Apple should no longer “own it.”
Yes, you do own the device....you don't own the OS or any software (unless you wrote the code). as per the EULA that you "have read and agreed to" you are licensing the use of said OS and all software.
 
Yes, you do own the device....you don't own the OS or any software (unless you wrote the code). as per the EULA that you "have read and agreed to" you are licensing the use of said OS and all software.
yes they might own their OS and love it enough to block successful competitors. Antitrust? Yes! #StopTheAppStoreAbuse
 
It always baffles me when developers complain about the Apple App Store rules....like hun you chose to build your house on this land...
And it always baffles me when people don't understand the concept of critizizing bad aspects of something that is otherwise good... like sure in your life you never had to make a tradeoff, or needed to improve/fix anything because everything you do and buy is always 100% perfect...
 
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