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Really?? Are you entitled to Siri on your iPhone 4? Apple never advertised it would be but you think it should be!?

My wife was looking to buy a new car a few months ago and the model she wanted that was in our price range didn't have navigation as an option - she had to get a different car that started off $5k more if she wanted navigation. Apple isn't doing anything much different but no one complains about car companies!? They could have put a navigation in the cheaper model but they want to entice people into buying the latest and greatest!

You don't HAVE to have Siri, so don't buy it if you don't want it. I bought an iPhone 4S and I couldn't be happier!


- Joe


Jim Jones would be extremely jealous of the loyalty and devotion some people have to apple.
 
It's not a question of defending Apple. I for one was discussing the options that any company has when bringing a product to market... be they feature options, pricing options, sales & marketing options, etc.

As a consumer, you have options as well... do I want to buy this product, or a competitive product, or no product at all? This is the principle on which free enterprise is based. Pointing out this truism is far from performing like a bleating sheep.
Consumers have more power than those you've labeled. They can expressed their opinions. Only afterward do they have to vote with their pocketbooks.
 
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CalWizrd said:
I didn't. Apple did. And you keep defending them like a good sheep.

It's not a question of defending Apple. I for one was discussing the options that any company has when bringing a product to market... be they feature options, pricing options, sales & marketing options, etc.

As a consumer, you have options as well... do I want to buy this product, or a competitive product, or no product at all? This is the principle on which free enterprise is based. Pointing out this truism is far from performing like a bleating sheep.

QFT. I would defend Microsoft, for example, for making IE9 and DX11 Vista and 7 only features, whether or not there's a technical reason for it. It's their product. They can do with it as they please, and if I don't like it, well, I have options. Options are why I own Macs and not Windows machines.
 
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QFT. I would defend Microsoft, for example, for making IE9 and DX11 Vista and 7 only features, whether or not there's a technical reason for it. It's their product. They can do with it as they please, and if I don't like it, well, I have options. Options are why I own Macs and not Windows machines.
You're misguided that you have that option.
 
I know this may be wishful thinking, but:

Siri is in Beta right now. What if they're just giving iPhone 4S users early access to Siri? I know. That's probably not what's going on, but I really hope Apple does decide to release Siri to iPhone 4 users as well. Heck, I'd even pay for the app.
 
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Judas1 said:
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QFT. I would defend Microsoft, for example, for making IE9 and DX11 Vista and 7 only features, whether or not there's a technical reason for it. It's their product. They can do with it as they please, and if I don't like it, well, I have options. Options are why I own Macs and not Windows machines.
You're misguided that you have that option.

An explanation would be nice.
 
Jim Jones would be extremely jealous of the loyalty and devotion some people have to apple.

The loyalty and devotion that I am most proud of are the rights of a company to sell products in whatever formats they choose, and the rights of consumers to purchase them or not, as they see fit.
 
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rockman0 said:
I know this may be wishful thinking, but:

Siri is in Beta right now. What if they're just giving iPhone 4S users early access to Siri? I know. That's probably not what's going on, but I really hope Apple does decide to release Siri to iPhone 4 users as well. Heck, I'd even pay for the app.

I don't see a problem with it if they did decide to release it down the line. That would be fantastic. Probably not going to happen, but I'm not going to complain if it doesn't. :)
 
I know this may be wishful thinking, but:

Siri is in Beta right now. What if they're just giving iPhone 4S users early access to Siri? I know. That's probably not what's going on, but I really hope Apple does decide to release Siri to iPhone 4 users as well. Heck, I'd even pay for the app.
If thats the case, it'll be great. If there's no hardware limitation, and people are willing to pay for it, whats they problem?

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An explanation would be nice.
You're a consumer right? Figure it out.
 
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Judas1 said:
rockman0 said:
I know this may be wishful thinking, but:

Siri is in Beta right now. What if they're just giving iPhone 4S users early access to Siri? I know. That's probably not what's going on, but I really hope Apple does decide to release Siri to iPhone 4 users as well. Heck, I'd even pay for the app.
If thats the case, it'll be great. If there's no hardware limitation, and people are willing to pay for it, whats they problem?

Stratus Fear said:
An explanation would be nice.
You're a consumer right? Figure it out.

You're the one telling me that I'm misguided about my options. But it's entirely true that I have the option of whether or not to buy a computer and what computer to buy (or phone as the case may be). If you have no support for your statement, you should retract it instead of making snide remarks.
 
You're the one telling me that I'm misguided about my options. But it's entirely true that I have the option of whether or not to buy a computer and what computer to buy. If you have no support for your statement, you should retract it instead of making snide remarks.

The explanation is that, as a consumer, you are supposed to criticize corporations for their decisions instead of making up your own mind.
 
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r.j.s said:
You're the one telling me that I'm misguided about my options. But it's entirely true that I have the option of whether or not to buy a computer and what computer to buy. If you have no support for your statement, you should retract it instead of making snide remarks.

The explanation is that, as a consumer, you are supposed to criticize corporations for their decisions instead of making up your own mind.

How could I have missed that? :D
 
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You're the one telling me that I'm misguided about my options. But it's entirely true that I have the option of whether or not to buy a computer and what computer to buy (or phone as the case may be). If you have no support for your statement, you should retract it instead of making snide remarks.
I'll give you a hint. If you bought a bunch of PC softwares or a bunch of Apple softwares, would it be so easy to switch OS?
 
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Judas1 said:
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You're the one telling me that I'm misguided about my options. But it's entirely true that I have the option of whether or not to buy a computer and what computer to buy (or phone as the case may be). If you have no support for your statement, you should retract it instead of making snide remarks.
I'll give you a hint. If you bought a bunch of PC softwares or a bunch of Apple softwares, would it be so easy to switch OS?

Difficulty to switch products isn't really relevant. I switched to Macs from PCs a few years ago. Clearly I exercised an option there that you're claiming I don't have (or are misguided about having).
 
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Difficulty to switch products isn't really relevant. I switched to Macs from PCs a few years ago. Clearly I exercised an option there that you're claiming I don't have (or are misguided about having).
How much easier is it to just complain about the company, than to switch to a different company all together?
 
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Judas1 said:
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Difficulty to switch products isn't really relevant. I switched to Macs from PCs a few years ago. Clearly I exercised an option there that you're claiming I don't have (or are misguided about having).
How much easier is it to just complain about the company, than to switch to a different company all together?

Pretty easy. I assume that's why you're doing it. Not a particularly effective way of getting what you want though. I would at least go find a comment form on Apple's website before complaining on a random forum, though.
 
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Pretty easy. I assume that's why you're doing it. Not a particularly effective way of getting what you want though. I would at least go find a comment form on Apple's website before complaining on a random forum, though.
You don't get it at all. I'm more effective criticizing Apple than you are praising it. I'm a consumer. I don't pretend I'm different or more than that.
 
You don't get it at all. I'm more effective criticizing Apple than you are praising it. I'm a consumer. I don't pretend I'm different or more than that.

More accurately, you are a consumer with a gripe who is holding a grudge - which makes you biased.
 
More accurately, you are a consumer with a gripe who is holding a grudge - which makes you biased.
what does it matter? I'm a consumer, with a real disagreement. I can voice that criticism.
 
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Judas1 said:
Stratus Fear said:
Pretty easy. I assume that's why you're doing it. Not a particularly effective way of getting what you want though. I would at least go find a comment form on Apple's website before complaining on a random forum, though.
You don't get it at all. I'm more effective criticizing Apple than you are praising it. I'm a consumer. I don't pretend I'm different or more than that.

I don't really see where I praised Apple. I thought I just defended what are perfectly fine business practices.

Edit: Furthermore, what is usually more effective than criticism is voting with your wallet. They don't care about what you think, but they do care about getting your money.
 
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I don't really see where I praised Apple. I thought I just defended what are perfectly fine business practices.
Are you their business partner? As a consumer, you should be voicing your critiscism.
 
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Judas1 said:
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I don't really see where I praised Apple. I thought I just defended what are perfectly fine business practices.
Are you their business partner? As a consumer, you should be voicing your critiscism.

I don't have any criticism for Apple. You should be voting with your wallet. Not complaining in a thread they will never see, let alone even care about.
 
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