Siri Hacked to Run on an iPod Touch and iPhone 4

[*LTD*]

Enough Apple. Saying Siri won't work on the 4 was a lie. It should also work on the iPad 2. The 4S isn't as much of an improvement without it. Not worth upgrading apparently. Very shady apple.

It may work, but how, and for how long, under what other loads, and how will Apple's servers respond to the influx of all those hypothetical iPhone 4 Siri users??

Define "good speed", as the article claims.

Siri was designed for the 4S because it was tested exhaustively on it. Everything else is a crap-shoot.

 

[pjhamill]

It may work, but how, and for how long, and under what other loads?

Define "good speed", as the article claims.

Siri was designed for the 4S. Everything else is a crap-shoot.

No it was proved to run very well on the 4. Read stroughtonsmith's timeline on twitter.

 

[southernpaws]

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They never said it wouldn't be coming to those devices. Their servers can barely handle the traffic it's getting solely from the 4S as it is. Can you imagine the massive load they would have if all iDevices could suddenly access it at once? In it's current state, it would buckle for sure.

Siri and Siri's servers are in a test phase and the 4S owners are the guinea pigs.

Test phase my rear end. I would accept the test phase BS that with in say 3 months they allow all iOS devices to use it. We both know it will never be allowed on anything but iPhone 4s and beyond.


Lets see the argument given for the blocking has degraded rapidly. First it was it needs an A5 chips (that was complete debunked. Safe to bet the 3GS could easily run it)
Now it is test phase. That is a load of crap. Apple could easily scale the servers in a very short matter of time.

Lets face the facts the real reason for it is Apple needed some reason to justify the 4S being upgraded for people to buy. All the other facts are complete BS. Apple needed a reason for the fanboys to upgrade from the 4S. With out Siri there would be no real reason so they come up with a 100% fabrication one.

First of all, all the speculation on why it doesn't run on the older hardware comes from the rumor community. If I'm not mistaken, apple hasn't given an official reason on why it's not available on the 4.

And for goodness sake quit whining about how you're not getting stuff for free. Apple is a business, and there's nobody in the industry who updates as faithfully as apple. Whatever the reason is, even if it's just to push sales to the 4s, they're still leading the industry on customer service and support. Quit looking for a handout

 

[pjhamill]

To be fair this isn't surprising, Most of the processing of nuance is done in the cloud. Of course the UI will run fine on the 4. There is a heavy server load for good voice recognition. Now this proves the iPhone 4 can run Siri perfectly well.

It was obvious to me this wasn't a hardware issue, maybe it was just 'marketing' but we've seen there are problems with Siri already. People couldn't connect etc. Right now I don't think Apple could handle the Siri load on its servers. Perhaps it would collapse and everyone would be criticizing Siri instead of praising it. Still though I doubt we'll see Apple release this to the 4.

 

[QuarterSwede]

It may work, but how, and for how long, under what other loads, and how will Apple's servers respond to the influx of all those hypothetical iPhone 4 Siri users??

Define "good speed", as the article claims.

Siri was designed for the 4S because it was tested exhaustively on it. Everything else is a crap-shoot.

Watch the 9to5mac video of it working exactly as fast and smoothly as the 4S. They did a side by side comparison. It was exactly the same for Siri. They even showed dictation working perfectly. The only way you can tell the white iPhone is not a 4S is because he shows the lack of the 4th break above the mute switch.

The speed comparison is at 0:55

 

[southernpaws]

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All of these people crying about Apple ripping them off saw the android software support chart from this week, right?

Read this and UNDERSTAND IT. Key words UNDERSTAND IT then get back to me
http://www.androidcentral.com/edito...why-you-shouldn’t-be-distracted-shiny-objects

Add to it that chart is pretty messed up for Apple and needs to be heavily changed. Does the 3G support wannabe multitasking (big feature in iOS4) nope does not. So it really not updated

3GS did not get the extra ring tones in from iOS4 and I know it was locked out of some other features.
Lets not forget the BS siri block on everything other than the iPhone 4s.

Sorry but unless those basic features are added the chart is pretty much bogus.
The link covers the other parts of the problems in trying to make something out of nothing with BS.

Here's what I UNDERSTAND.

"If you ignore the misleading chart and similarly misleading bullet points, Degusta’s conclusions mirror a lot of our own over the past couple of years. The updating of Android phones often is a crapshoot. "

So they took exception at the chart; that's fair. But they didn't dispute the thesis

 

[southernpaws]

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To protect the quality of the Siri experience, Apple may have chose to make it a 4S-only product simply to limit the demand on the servers, and greatly improve the response time. Imagine adding another 40 million iOS users on iPads, iPods and iPhone 4s. Some have already complained of delays in response of the system. I am just fine with people needing to "buy in" to the feature.

And as others have said. Software features not going on older models is common. Everything from Nav software on subsequent car model years to new camera models from Nikon or Canon. Most of that stuff could easily be installed on older models.

Then they should upgrade their Servers and infrastructure so it can fit another 40 milion users!

Yes! AND FOR FREE! Server farms are CHEAP

 

[southernpaws]

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You know, I agree with people that this is a move by Apple to convince people to buy the 4S.

You know what? I'm fine with that. They spend money and resources developing it. They have to upkeep the servers and have the servers there for it to be used. Point of it is, it was not *free* for them to make or to maintain (it's still costing them money).

So yes, they are going to try to use it to encourage people to upgrade and they aren't just going to offer it for free so that there is no motivation to upgrade. I mean that is their motivation to spend money to maintain and develop Siri.

Anyways, while it would be neat to have Siri on the phone just for amusement value, the one thing I really wish my phone had was the voice transcription right in the keyboard.

+1

It'd be nice to get it for free, but at the end of the day, apple is offering a product with an exclusive new feature and charging a price for it. I don't have a right to get it for free.

 

[brewcitywi]

Eligibility

Again, if someone bought an iPhone 4 in the past year can't buy an iPhone 4s anyway, due to the higher pricing. So, all the marketing in the world wouldn't cause that sale to occur. Thats probably why iPhone 4 users are a little anxious to get Siri...they can't have the 4s yet.

But its a slippery slope. In a matter of short months, 4 users can get 4s. If they dont because they already have Siri on 4, then the marketing fails, too.

 

[r.j.s]

Again, if someone bought an iPhone 4 in the past year can't buy an iPhone 4s anyway, due to the higher pricing. So, all the marketing in the world wouldn't cause that sale to occur. Thats probably why iPhone 4 users are a little anxious to get Siri...they can't have the 4s yet.

Oh, they can get 4S, it is available to them, but they have to pay more for it.

 

[segfaultdotorg]

Apple: making a free app cost $199 and calling it magical

It costs way more than that if you bought an iPhone 4 and aren't eligible for upgrade pricing.

 

[Stella]

My point is that I never got FP2, even though the N95 was more than capable of running it. That wasn't entirely trivial. FP2 had a redesigned Bluetooth stack that actually worked with my car, while FP1 didn't. FP2 also had a redesigned menu. For that matter, there were still "current" phones (e.g. N91) that never even got FP1. My N97 had a few more substantial updates, but still nothing as dramatic as getting Symbian^3. Nokia has gotten a little bit better as of late, releasing Anna and Belle.

Arn exaggerated a little bit, but before Apple, it was almost unheard of to get more than bug fixes.

I know what your point was.

Nokia wanted you to buy a new phone in order to take advantage of new Fp ( which actually in most parts, different versions of Symbian ) ; much like what apple do in different ways , ie Siri.

Your N97 was not capable of running Symbian ^3 - it lacked the hardware.

 

[southernpaws]

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Enough Apple. Saying Siri won't work on the 4 was a lie. It should also work on the iPad 2. The 4S isn't as much of an improvement without it. Not worth upgrading apparently. Very shady apple.

Apple never said that.

 

[nycgeo]

It seems like they showed their hand when they didn't release siri on the iPad. It has all of the "required hardware" and still didn't get siri. I predict the iPhone 4 and iPad 2 will get siri with a software update (free) after the holidays.

 

[segfaultdotorg]

Again, if someone bought an iPhone 4 in the past year can't buy an iPhone 4s anyway, due to the higher pricing. So, all the marketing in the world wouldn't cause that sale to occur. Thats probably why iPhone 4 users are a little anxious to get Siri...they can't have the 4s yet.

But its a slippery slope. In a matter of short months, 4 users can get 4s. If they dont because they already have Siri on 4, then the marketing fails, too.

You can get the 4s if you pay the full non-contract price. I bought the 4 at launch and am not eligible for the upgrade price until the end of February, 2012. It would be silly to buy a 4s then, since Apple will likely release another new iPhone sometime in 2012.

 

[conecode]

The developers have said that there will be "no public release soon" and not to ask.

Then don't release video that you can do it. It only upsets the masses that don't have a 4S.

 

[bEEarCUB]

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Siri has a pretty big team at apple, and the servers are already quite bogged down. I always suspected Siri was arbitrarily restricted to the 4S, but without charging any kind of fee directly related to Siri ... 4S sales are what's paying for its.

Just because something is software doesn't mean everyone should have it for free.

 

[Stella]

Then don't release video that you can do it. It only upsets the masses that don't have a 4S.

I expect only a minority of 4s owners are upset.

I have a 4s. It doesn't upset me. I hope in the future iPhone 4 and iPad 2 owners get Siri, once out of beta, even if they have to pay a small charge. The iPhone 4 is going to be around for quite a while, much like the 3GS.

 

[wiz329]

Too many Apple apologists. This was a douche move on Apple's part, no ifs ands or buts. Whats wrong with acknowledging that Apple is a corporation out to get as much money out of you it can? Why make excuses for them since they only care about your pocketbook?

I suppose that may be true now. But Steve Jobs didn't found Apple in order to make a bunch of money. He founded Apple because he saw there was a serious need for a new product, and nobody was filling that need. His goal was to make the absolute best product he could.

 

[Kaibelf]

One less reason for people with iPhone 4's to upgrade to the iPhone 4S. I guess its true, Siri was just used to market the iPhone 4S. So typical of Apple.

If someone bought a 4 they are still in contract, and would be morons to buy the 4S anyway. However, considering the tens of millions of 3GS users that are out there, the 4S is a fantastic update for them. That is the user Apple was aiming for, and it's sad you can't understand that.

 

[cjmillsnun]

It seems like they showed their hand when they didn't release siri on the iPad. It has all of the "required hardware" and still didn't get siri. I predict the iPhone 4 and iPad 2 will get siri with a software update (free) after the holidays.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

 

[touchmonkey]

For all we know this feature is locked away in ios5, activating it isn't illegal because you aren't distributing anything.

Happened to notice that Siri is still listed in Location Services on my iPhone4.
Is there hope?

 

[cjmillsnun]

I suppose that may be true now. But Steve Jobs didn't found Apple in order to make a bunch of money. He founded Apple because he saw there was a serious need for a new product, and nobody was filling that need. His goal was to make the absolute best product he could.

Not so, Woz, Jobs and Wayne founded Apple to sell the Apple 1.

 

[Ihatefall]

WIFI and Airplane mode

Is it possible to have wifi on when it's in airplane mode? (Like in the first picture)

 

[r.j.s]

Is it possible to have wifi on when it's in airplane mode? (Like in the first picture)

Yes.