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Blame? I didn't lay any blame on Jobs. But, since you mention it, yes we can blame people for wanting more than they need.

"Wanting more than they need" ?? If that's the case Apple will be releasing a 500$ laptop tomorrow. It would make them a ton of money. So why wouldn't they? Because they don't ship junk. If you think Apple and Steve were all about the money you're totally wrong. Even look where Steve lived. A normal neighbourhood with people who weren't rich.
 
There's been a bunch of theory on why Siri is only on the 4s. Hardware limitation has been debunked. Server limitation is BS. Apple is sitting on over 60B dollars, and they can't scale up the servers? The best explanation is that Apple wanted more money and purposely gimped the 4. Yes, it was arbitrary, having nothing to do with Apple's limitation or the ip4's limitation.

So, releasing a product with a feature exclusive to that product is purposely gimping a previous product? Come on. Technology moves on and old stuff doesn't get new features. It doesn't matter what the reason is.

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with Siri coming along. Can't wait to use it on my 4.

Sorry, but you aren't going to use it. Read his twitter. It isn't possible without violating copyright (at a minimum, maybe the DCMA as well), so it won't be released.
 
Are you really suggesting that people who bought their iPhone 3GS 2 years ago wouldn't upgrade for the faster processor, higher storage capacity, and better camera if they could use Siri? If that's the case, why did Apple bother updating the 3GS at all? By your logic, wouldn't more people update if Apple discontinued the 3GS or didn't update it to iOS 5 at all?

Siri is advertised as Beta. While the demos make for a good commercial, I don't think that Apple sold 4 million on the first weekend because it had Siri. People panned the October 4 launch, remember?

Huh? iPhone 4S is essentially iPhone 4 with faster CPU and 8MP camera while iPhone 4 was a huge upgrade from 3GS (512MB RAM, A4 CPU, 5MP camera with flash, retina display, new design). The point is many wouldn't have upgraded it it was available for other idevices. Its clever marketing to make it available only for the iPhone 4S. Same thing goes for gestures on iPad 1, they're forcing people to upgrade. You're just giving excuses to defend Apple's moves.
 
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Go and grab your iPhone/iPod, turn Airplane Mode On, then turn WiFi On. It certainly works on the iPod at least.

No, it's not working! When I turn on Aero Plane mode, it turn off WiFi too!
 
So, releasing a product with a feature exclusive to that product is purposely gimping a previous product? Come on. Technology moves on and old stuff doesn't get new features. It doesn't matter what the reason is.
Yes, because the ip4 can run Siri. And Siri is supposedly an integral part of the ios experience. And its not totally new. People have had that program before on th ip4 (albeit less refined), it was pulled off the App Store so that it would be exclusive on 4s. Stop sticking up for Apple when they did indeed pull a fast one.
 
Yes, because the ip4 can run Siri. And Siri is supposedly an integral part of the ios experience. And it no totally new. People have had that program before on th ip4 (albeit less refined), it was pulled off the App Store so that it would be exclusive on 4s. Stop sticking up for Apple when they did indeed pull a fast one.

Sorry, but the siri that was on the app store before was nothing like the siri that exists now ... that siri was a search app and didn't integrate with other apps.

Oh, and the iP4 can only run siri because of files from the 4S.
 
Most likely. JBing is one thing. Stealing Apple software and distributing it will likely draw out the lawyers for copyright infringement.

How do I put this.. (Yelling)THIS IS NOT STEALING ANYTHING! This is no different then when last year developers enabled multi-tasking on the 3G and iPod touch 2G. All they are doing is enabling these features.
 
How do I put this.. (Yelling)THIS IS NOT STEALING ANYTHING! This is no different then when last year developers enabled multi-tasking on the 3G and iPod touch 2G. All they are doing is enabling these features.

Maybe stealing wasn't the right word. My bad.

But this is different. Read his twitter. There are files from the 4S required to make it work, and distributing it would draw the attention of Apple's lawyers.
 
Sorry, but the siri that was on the app store before was nothing like the siri that exists now ... that siri was a search app and didn't integrate with other apps.

Oh, and the iP4 can only run siri because of files from the 4S.
And whats keeping Apple from distributing those files to the 4? I don't get you. Apple may have a business reason for doing what they did. But why defend it when you're the consumer?
 
Sorry, but you aren't going to use it. Read his twitter. It isn't possible without violating copyright (at a minimum, maybe the DCMA as well), so it won't be released.

The DMCA hasn't stopped things from being released before. It's going to be released, just harder to get. You won't just be able to install it from Cydia.
 
And whats keeping Apple from distributing those files to the 4?

No idea. No one knows but Apple. That's my point.

I don't get you. Apple may have a business reason for what they did. But why defend it when you're the consumer?

I'm not necessarily defending Apple, just trying to put the fact out there that no one here knows Apple's reasoning.
 
Maybe stealing wasn't the right word. My bad.

But this is different. Read his twitter. There are files from the 4S required to make it work, and distributing it would draw the attention of Apple's lawyers.

Aha, but if a person has an iPhone 4S and an iPhone 4 or iPod Touch 4G, they can use the files since they own the 4S. :D Technically it's not stealing if you have both devices.
 
The DMCA hasn't stopped things from being released before. It's going to be released, just harder to get. You won't just be able to install it from Cydia.

I said that earlier; it may one day become available, just as a lot of things not strictly legal are available on the Internet.

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Aha, but if a person has an iPhone 4S and an iPhone 4 or iPod Touch 4G, they can use the files since they own the 4S. :D Technically it's not stealing if you have both devices.

I'm not going to argue specific circumstances.
 
No idea. No one knows but Apple. That's my point.



I'm not necessarily defending Apple, just trying to put the fact out there that no one here knows Apple's reasoning.
I do. Shhh...its a secret. They want MORE MONEY!
 
Apple: making a free app cost $199 and calling it magical

It's not about making a free app cost $199. It's about maintaining a high level of user experience. And it's about assuring that iPhones aren't replaced as "defective" when users fill them up with garbage.

(My friends with Android phones have all had their phones replaced either under manufacturer warranty, third-party warranty, or as an accommodation from the carrier multiple times. They were all "defective". e.g. they loaded them up with crapware, then they slowed-down and/or stopped working altogether.)

I've never needed to have an iPhone replaced.

I think Apple looks the other way about these hacks because they know that the hacker/experimenter community isn't their core customer base. In fact, it drives home the point with the general public that if you purchase an iPhone and don't jailbreak it, you will have a reliable device that you don't have to fiddle with and have constantly replaced.

Apple NEEDS jailbreaks and Androids as contrast to what they deliver.
 
The color of money

Siri should have been included in the 5.0 update for the iPhone 4.

But of course, Apple wants us to buy the latest and greatest.

Apple being Apple again.

Agreed (a greed?) -

Maybe there are some hardware or network limitations, or whatever. And yes, this technology certainly wasn't "free" to develop (how much did Apple pay to acquire the Siri technology?)

But still, if Apple is excluding users/devices just so they can influence people to abandon a perfectly capable and functional product in order to have current technology, how "green" is that? :rolleyes:
 
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