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SJ and Ryan Tate go at it via email at 2AM!

I really don't understand people are so completely against ANY kind of restrictions at all. This is APPLE'S store, THEY control what is on it and what isn't on it. Some things (like porn) are banned because it OBVIOUSLY creates a BAD image for Apple to be distributing that junk. Remember all of the negative press from the baby-shaking app? That made the front-page on CNN.com!

And about the whole native Objective-C vs Flash thing... Apple isn't doing this just because they hate Flash. Obviously they are doing it because they only want quality on the app store. They don't want it flooded with trash that makes the iPhone look bad. If apps don't run natively, they are going to crash a lot more, suck up more battery life, and run horribly. Three things Apple is religiously against.

Really, I view this whole debate as a quality vs quantity kind of thing. Apple is trying to keep the quality up while this Ryan Tate fellow seems to want just about anything that can run in the app store.
 
MacBookDan said:
This is how I feel as well, and it all comes back to the Flash discussion... if Microsoft was to say that anyone on Windows wasn't allowed to use Firefox or Safari a stink would be storming and Microsoft would get so many names and horrible comments thrown at them but Apple just don't care...

I only see the iPad as the bad move in technology, when I first saw it I thought it was April fools.
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Since when does apple control which software you can run on your Mac? And please don't come up with that PPC vs Intel argument...

Really bad analogy...
 
SPNarwhal said:
how many parents do you think would be complaining if there were porn apps?
I mean, if their children downloaded a porn application from the app store?
going to a porn website is one thing. they're out there, on the internet. it's the internet, nobody has control over it. but as an app, they would be able to say that it is a direct feature of the phone. provided by the phone's creating company.
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Like downloading Nine Inch Nails "I wanna Fark you like an Animal?" song called Closer perhaps? Its $1.29 on the iTunes store right now.

The App Store already has built-in parental controls. You can't even download bikini-apps or music with explicit lyrics if a parent disables them.

I'm not pro-porn on the App Store but if Apple chose to allow an adults-only section, they already have the means to control the access to this content.
 
SeattleMoose said:
The "do nothings" criticizing the doers? Time to look in the mirror before you start pointing fingers......

Jobs hit on a very bottom line truth......trolls, critics, whiners, etc. create NOTHING of value. Yet they have no problem endlessly ragging on people who do.

Anyone can be a critic. How many whiners have actually visualized a new product and actually brought that product into reality?

I applaud Apple for being a closed system. It allows them to maintain control over their vision of how they want THEIR products to work. If you don't like it, move along to Windows, Droid, etc.
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This is stupid. According to this theory, only people who have made movies should criticize movies, only people who have written books can criticize books, and only developers can criticize software.

I don't think even you really believe this. Or do you believe that MS should not be criticized by people who are not at least as successful as Bill Gates?

Attacking the person of the critic is, of course, a logical fallacy. The merits of the criticism stand and fall on their own, no matter what the person's background. If Tate is wrong, he's wrong because his itself argument is wrong, not because he's a 20-something tech journalist.
 
niuniu said:
By 'freedom' Jobs means 'restriction'. The guy is sounding more and more like a modern age fascist.


He leads singularly.
He believes his values and belief system are the only ones that are right.
He wages war on opposing technology to his values, shutting them out instead of competing side by side.

:eek:
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Is this a parody or something? You aren't seriously upset are you?

Are you seriously using words like "fascist" and "waging war" to describe the software policy of a non-governmental entity that sells a wholly optional gadget? A company that is one among many, many companies who sell similar products...any of which you are welcome to buy?

And, further, using those words to describe a company simply because they merely restricted *one single avenue* of obtaining pornography.

I'm no prude, I watch plenty of porn. On my iPad and iPhone, even. But I'm also a Dad. Can there not be some common areas (like the app store) where I don't have to worry about porn bombarding my kids without your kind of wholly inappropriate bombastic, over the top hysteria?

I think, somehow, western society might just survive, without porn in the app store. Even without Flash!

I know, I know...almost like living in Nazi Germany! Please....
 
Haha.. Go Steve, he comes across really well here.

I have no problem with "freedom from porn" in Apple's appstore, we could always just use the web. I wonder how long before porn sites all switch to HTML5 and h.264? ;) (I'm sure this has been brought up by someone already though)

Its nice an candid and surprisingly wordy for Steve emails. I wonder how many extra emails he'll get now he's been shown to do big, not single-word replies?
 
Seriously?

Jobs' replies were on the spot. He made the Gawker reporter look totally ridiculous. I am actually sad that Jobs decided to reply to THAT journalist. That time could have been put to so much better use.

And honestly, I totally agree with Steve Jobs. He's giving you the alternative. Wheater you admit it or not, the web as we have is filled with porn. Steve is providing us with a service that does not have such content. That is the "freedom" he is talking about.

He's not restricting you from using porn. He's just not providing it. Want porn? Fine, browse the web. Jailbreak your iPhone and get some other app which you cannot find in the AppStore. Or even better: don't buy an iDevice.

In no place or time did Apple tell users they could access porn from their iDevices. As such, they have no obligation to provide that content. If you don't agree with Apple, then don't buy Apple.

All-in-all, it is Job's company, and as such he can do whatever he wants with it. He's not being ethically or morally irresponsible, nor being physically or psychologically offensive to anyone. He is simply making decisions that he is entitled to make, being a CEO. And you, being a customer, should make the yours: to buy or not buy the iDevices, knowing that the AppStore will not provide you with porn content.
 
chugg said:
Awful, awful "article".

Still, Jobs' replies are pretty pathetic too. Freedom from porn? What a joke. Way to completely fail to understand what freedom means. Maybe I should move to China so I can get freedom from porn, foreign news, and government opposition! I love how he speaks like porn, information theft, and high battery drain apps are only associated with the "PC", LOL!

Is this guy turning senile or does he just get more and more out of touch with the world with each passing day?
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You must be a FOX News fan. If their's any group of people who know about being more and more out of touch with reality, it's Fox News fans.
 
macbookpro13 said:
I don't understand the big deal here. Apple has every right to enforce what is sold in their app store. It's THEIRS. You don't like the selection, go somewhere else. That's how the market works.

But Apple isn't shutting off the internet from the ipad/iphone. So if you want to see people having sex, then open up Safari and knock yourselves out.
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I think most of the complaints is around porn, not in the sense that it's not accessible, but more in the sense that it's not accessible to the masses on the i/phone/pad/etc because flash is not available. Most of the interactive content for porn is done in flash and unless these porn sites decide to employ expensive x-code developers, I don't think these devices will have mainstream porn on them any time soon.

It just goes to show that "freedom" of choice is really a bitch about why flash is not available so I can surf porn on my ipad.
 
Just to add...

Steve J. shows a lot of class in his responses.. and of course, he would have every right to defend Apple and his intentions... .especially when being prodded by someone.

I believe the writer did have some good points... but it seems like he was shock jocking his feelings out on Apple, Steve and Co.

I think Apple is providing a unique and pure user experience. I dont necessarily agree with restrictions such as content (ie porn)... but I do agree with technology streamlining and restrictions. The average user will have no idea what random crap they are installing on their phones... and Apple provides some "filter" (although maybe it is not perfect... it is a step in the right direction) to prevent software from bogging down the (smart) phone.

Anyone who has had a Palm Treo for a number of years knows this well... over time, and multiple app installations... the phone starts to become sluggish.

Say what you will... but the products have excellent design, build quality, and implementation when compared to anything out there.

That is the reason Apple is looked at so closely by so many companies... they are not looking at anyone else to measure up to. Everything is being done or resolved in house with a pure approach to coming up with solutions to problems or filling niches.

Steve is one very impressive person. I strive to do something in my life that speaks to my character, and exemplifies my talents as it is obvious Steve Jobs has, and I am a medical physician.

Alf

ps: I have owned Apples since Apple II, II+, IIe, IIgs, Mac IIcx, Power Mac, and a couple of iMacs (3 original, and 10 2007-2008 models), and Macbook Pros and Air... in addtion to having PC's... 386's, Dell laptops, Sony Vaios.... and even though I have had some problems with performance and quality control issues...nothing comes close to Apple... if people dont like it... simple.... dont buy it.
 
yayitsezekiel said:
i suppose and I see where you're coming from, but I have a feeling that the app store would fill up with a bunch of crap real fast if the rule wasn't there. just my 2 cents :p
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That may be the case (although the Android store would suggest otherwise) but if they don't want porn or any other apps they don't approve on the App Store, then it would be ideal for them to allow apps to be installed from third parties.
 
tmuller said:
I think most of the complaints is around porn, not in the sense that it's not accessible, but more in the sense that it's not accessible to the masses on the i/phone/pad/etc because flash is not available. Most of the interactive content for porn is done in flash and unless these porn sites decide to employ expensive x-code developers, I don't think these devices will have mainstream porn on them any time soon.

It just goes to show that "freedom" of choice is really a bitch about why flash is not available so I can surf porn on my ipad.
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I'm sure that the porn industry will move to HTML5 if they see dollar signs, I'm more interested about the iPad, at least you can hold an iPhone in one hand and your *cough* in the other, but isn't the iPad a bit too big for that?
:eek:
 
andiwm2003 said:
SJ doesn't care about the whole world. He rightfully cares about his potential customers.

It's quite simple: If the iPad ever gets the image of a porn viewer then the platform is dead because young affluent people don't want to be seen with it. And parents won't buy it for their kids. And the potential sales from porn won't compensate for this. That's all there is to it.

If gun apps or violent games had the same effect SJ would ban them. But as of now it's only porn that could damage the iPad image.

I know I would not bring my iPad to work or use it in public if it had a creepy porn viewer image.
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Can't every device, e.g. laptop, netbook, iPhone, etc., that is able to browse pages on the internet be regarded as a 'porn viewer' if we follow this line of thought? The fact that the Ipad needs apps doesn't change that, the iPad contains a web browser that will do the trick. I can't remember one single incident where my laptop was regarded as a 'porn viewer'. It's not the device that delivers porn but the user that 'pulls the trigger' to see it.
 
macbookpro13 said:
I don't understand the big deal here. Apple has every right to enforce what is sold in their app store. It's THEIRS. You don't like the selection, go somewhere else. That's how the market works.

But Apple isn't shutting off the internet from the ipad/iphone. So if you want to see people having sex, then open up Safari and knock yourselves out.
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+1

How do people not see this?
 
If you want porn on your iPhone/iPad, you can go to Safari for:

Spankwire
Xshare
*******
*******

And it's flippin' FREE AND it's properly formatted for the iPhone's screen.

I honestly don't understand all the bitching.
 
There's plenty of porn on the iPad

Please spare me your "freedom" rants about how you should do what you want with your iPad. Can you get porn at Starbucks or McDonalds? No. They decide what products they want to offer and I guess porn isn't on the menu. There's also not a porn channel on my Wii or Bluray player. I guess Apple isn't the only company that doesn't want to be a associated as a porn distributor. Shouldn't they have the "freedom" to make that call? If you don't like it, don't buy the product.

Apple wont let developers make dedicated porn apps? How many dedicated porn apps are you running on your Mac or PC? Oh that right...it's called a browser. The fact is, there's plenty of porn to be found for the iPad and porn sites will offer non flash porn content if enough people want it. If your still not getting the porn you want on the iPad then take a break from you "hobby" and create an iPad friendly porn site yourself.
 
And besides the fact that the app store is the same on iPods and ipads, iPhones. And many small children use ipod toches, so apple doesn't want to be the company to give porn to children. It's different with android because most children who have those phones are at least 10 it's still bad but they only supply the os/apps it's not like they have a love affair with there devises, not like Steve. LOL
 
DoFoT9 said:
i think a lot of people are too. but we should be given our own choice to decide what we want to do.
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So...

How can you complain that Apple is denying you a lack of choice, when you are doing THE EXACT SAME THING TO APPLE? :confused::eek: You're all saying that YOU have that right of choice, but Apple - the creators of the devices - doesn't?
 
There's already a porn app for the iPad that comes bundled with the device.

It's called Safari.
 
It's obvious who the 16 year olds are....complaining about no porn. From a grown up perspective I admire that the app store took a stand on it. I don't want porn in the app store just as I don't want strip clubs at Disneyland.

Let kids be kids. And when I get my 9 year old a itouch or ipad I know that she can grab any free apps she wants without me having to worry about it's content.

In this day and age I think a good percentage of people have no taste or sense of class.... They make things that make money and disregard anything else. They push their freedoms to their max because they can, not because they should. Sadder still is that these people don't grow out of it.

I applaud apple deciding to create a safe place. I'm glad someone cares enough to put aside financial gain (porn would ludicrous amounts of money for the app store) for the luxury of security.

You want porn? Nearly all porn sites are iPhone capatible. The web is open and you can do what you want. The app store is apple's domain and they don't want it.
 
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