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SJ and Ryan Tate go at it via email at 2AM!
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I don't know why Steve decided to talk with this guy, he didn't ask such interesting questions. What Steve said makes sense to me, the App Store is filtered of porn and badly written apps for a reason. I think there's enough porn around, and no one will feel that they need more of it than they can get on the net. This is the kind of thing you find when you're looking for it, but you also find it when you're not, that's when it becomes an issue. And I don't think publishers are annoyed by having to abandon Flash if they want content on the iPhone and iPad, it will be better for everyone. They have not said a bad word about this so far, what makes anyone believe they don't want to do it? Apple indeed has control over many things now, and they have the responsibility to not let things get messy and go in the wrong direction. Apple feels that HTML5 is going to be big in the future, so they're urging people to make the change now. They can change many things in the world, so why not change things to make the future simpler and better? I as a user don't care that publishers need to rewrite their magazines in another format. As a user, what makes me feel better is that I'll have access to those magazines and that they will run smoothly without eating the battery. If Apple let them use Flash, they would, and they would never use HTML5. Given the choice, people always choose the easiest way. Which isn't always the best for us users.
A Simple Statement
From the Netflix FAQ:
Q:
Why don't you carry x-rated or mature titles?
A:
We have made a business decision not to carry these types of titles.
Maybe Apple should issue a similar statement and just ignore the whiners.
Is Netflix infringing on my rights by not carrying porn? I don't see a lot of heat generated on the Interwebs about their policy.
From the Netflix FAQ:
Q:
Why don't you carry x-rated or mature titles?
A:
We have made a business decision not to carry these types of titles.
Maybe Apple should issue a similar statement and just ignore the whiners.
Is Netflix infringing on my rights by not carrying porn? I don't see a lot of heat generated on the Interwebs about their policy.
Remember when people found that the PC version of San Andreas could show a sex scene? I remember those Fox pundits being all up in arms about Grand Theft Auto due to that. (Along with the violence).
I know that before GTA, there were films, tv shows even the News after Blue Peter featuring violence. My earliest memories of the News were of the carnage and death shown in the first Iraq war.
SJ is quite right in what he said. There has been animosity towards Apple for longer than I've been a user but Ryan Tate is being ridiculous.
I appreciate the fact that SJ goes out of his way to improve the user experience. There is still a large variety of choice in the personal computing market place, no one is forced to buy an Apple.
I think Ryan Tate desperately wants to be relevant, but taking shots at SJ for Adobe's poor performance is not the way to go. It's lazy journalism.
I appreciate the fact that SJ goes out of his way to improve the user experience. There is still a large variety of choice in the personal computing market place, no one is forced to buy an Apple.
I think Ryan Tate desperately wants to be relevant, but taking shots at SJ for Adobe's poor performance is not the way to go. It's lazy journalism.
I think Ryan Tate would've done a better job of making Steve Jobs look bad if he had researched better and been more eloquent in wording his article and mails.
I happen to agree with Apple's decision to rid the Apple store of pornography, given the wide demographic the iPhone/iPad appeals to. Children are becoming acquainted with technology at increasingly young ages, and in addition to the ethical dilemma, Apple's policy makes sense from a business point of view. Why give parents additional reasons not to let their kids use/get a product from your company?
The iTunes store doesn't sell or rent pornographic movies, and the App store doesn't sell pornographic applications. Pornography is abundant nowadays, and I don't see why every pubescent blogger throws a fit over not being able to buy pornographic apps for their iPhone/iPad.
I happen to agree with Apple's decision to rid the Apple store of pornography, given the wide demographic the iPhone/iPad appeals to. Children are becoming acquainted with technology at increasingly young ages, and in addition to the ethical dilemma, Apple's policy makes sense from a business point of view. Why give parents additional reasons not to let their kids use/get a product from your company?
The iTunes store doesn't sell or rent pornographic movies, and the App store doesn't sell pornographic applications. Pornography is abundant nowadays, and I don't see why every pubescent blogger throws a fit over not being able to buy pornographic apps for their iPhone/iPad.
Well, this is obviously a thorny issue for every company. I support Jobs' position. You mean, you can't find porn on the Internet? What are you, mentally disadvantaged? You want it, you got it. (I support it, by the way, and would vote against any politician who wanted to censor the Internet, because he/she's obviously a fool.) Why should it be on the app store? You want Apple staff, who are primarily looking for things like incorrect use of private APIs and things that crash and things that have trojans in them, to also make the decision about which hard-core sex app to put up for sale, and which one goes too far? I don't think Apple wants those decisions at all. You've got a computer. Go torrent a XXX movie.
Enlighten us, oh "Great One" and do please tell us then, in your "Fair and Balance" review, of the other news reporting channels!
MSNBC?
CNN?
ABC?
CBS?
NBC?
PBS?
Anything along the lines, "legitimate reporting", will prove who is the real "drunken one legged amputee with an enflamed right tes*ic*e and serious mental health issues" really is!
I watch 15-minute intervals. It may as well be seen as a multi-billion-dollar campaign contribution.
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What's with the porn complaining?
Anybody can watch or download porn whenever they want on their Macs.
Do these laughable people expect Apple to release a porn app (iPorn) and preinstall it on all new Macs?
Apple is a big company with responsibilities, and thankfully Steve Jobs does not have the mentality of intellectually challenged bloggers who have yet to complete puberty.
Anybody can watch or download porn whenever they want on their Macs.
Do these laughable people expect Apple to release a porn app (iPorn) and preinstall it on all new Macs?
Apple is a big company with responsibilities, and thankfully Steve Jobs does not have the mentality of intellectually challenged bloggers who have yet to complete puberty.
I don't have a problem with porn BUT I have to say that no one should be able to dictate the morals or policies under which a legal commercial enterprise is presented. Apple should have every right to sell or restrict apps, content or compatibility at its own choosing. This may not please everyone but that is why we have an open market.
Enlighten us, oh "Great One" and do please tell us then, in your "Fair and Balance" review, of the other news reporting channels!
MSNBC?
CNN?
ABC?
CBS?
NBC?
PBS?
Anything along the lines, "legitimate reporting", will prove who is the real "drunken one legged amputee with an enflamed right tes*ic*e and serious mental health issues" really is!
TBH none of the above, it's just that Fox, and in the UK Sky News is generally the worst, I just don't like other peoples agendas being forced down my throat when I want to find out what's happening or happened in the world. Even the great bastion of news the BBC has had it's fair share of issues in regards to having their agenda twisted by political parties.
So there consider yourself enlightened
This has got to be the craziest post in this topic. Nobody is making decisions for you or me. Apple doesn't force anyone to buy the latest iThing. If you bought an iPad, it was YOUR decision, not Steve Job's. And if it turns out iPad doesn't actually do something you wanted it to, then it's YOUR fault for not researching enough.
People are NOT brainwashed. They just don't care about not being able to buy pornography off the app store. And if they did, they are at perfect liberty to look for alternate devices.
If you want porn, last time I checked, there was no shortage of it on the internet.
I generally agree that Apple should be able to do whatever it wants with it's own platform. This is more of a basic freedom argument than those arguing against it.
However, the poster is right in the sense that "porn" is something that is restricted and it's advocates are advocating the freedom to view it. Therefore "Freedom from Porn" is indeed an Orwellian statement in that it mimics the grouping of two similar (kind of) terms on each side of the statement. I'ts like saying "freedom from freedom."
My biggest problem with Apple's restrictions is that they aren't restricting "porn" they are restricting things like girls in bikinis and girls in their underwear. This has never been "porn" (at least not since about 1925), and it's more immoral of Apple to tell people they can't view it than it is immoral in and of itself. Ironically there are Disney cartoons from the 30's that are racier than some of the stuff being banned from the app store under the heading of "porn."
Apple is applying an American, Christian filter to the app store and needless to say the whole world is not American and Christian. I don't want to see garbage in the app store but there are adult filters and tastefully done stuff that doesn't denigrate women does have a place.
Finally, just because no one has mentioned it that I've seen ...
Gawker produces and promotes pornography as part of it's business. One of Gizmodo's sister sites is a pornographic site. the guy arguing for the porn has a vested interest in the industry that he didn't (as a so-called "journalist" disclose).
Wow - way to drop the H and S bombs. You have a complete misunderstanding of historical relevance (and are an insensitive dolt to boot).
Under Hitler/Stalin you din't have a choice to participate - you towed the party line or were killed/imprisoned.
Apple is a company run by a visionary, yet to controlling CEO. You don't like their products, policies, restrictions, their testing on bunnies, or deforestation of the rainforest, you have a choice to support the competition.
This Ryan Tate guy comes off as a vulgar blowhard to me. He does sound full of himself too. He's got a great command of the English language! Geez.
Every single person I know of at Gawker makes me want to just puke. What trash there. Seriously.
I'm disappointed in Steve Jobs for even entertaining this idiot though. He should have been mature enough to LET IT GO and not get involved in such childishness. This is just sickening.
I'm disappointed in Steve Jobs for even entertaining this idiot though. He should have been mature enough to LET IT GO and not get involved in such childishness. This is just sickening.
Personally his 'Freedom from Porn' statement resonated more of in this sense:
You're on a mobile device. Mobile being out in the public in a park, in a coffee shop, on the bus... I really don't want my kid to be sitting behind you on the bus while you're checking the latest content in the iPorn app on your iPad.
I don't have a problem with the content. And most wouldn't act in such a way. But there are plenty of idiots out there that would, just for ***** & giggles.
Apple may be over restrictive, but I've used Win-mobile devices and loaded apps onto these things to give GPS, utilize the IR in the phone and other neat applications. Half of them don't work, the other half are released with missing or over exaggerated features. All of them caused poor battery performance, would crash periodically, or caused weird things to happen to the phone. Plus their price tags were around $20 - $40.
AppStore is aggressive and the SDK is locked down, but I'd prefer being saved from bad/lazy developers (and I've seen very very bad/lazy developers).
Finally on to Flash. I saw someone say "What if I wanted to build my website in flash". To which I respond: I would smack you upside the head until you left the late 90s-early 2000s.
Completely flash websites have no place anymore. They suffer from many issues: breaking browser functionality (back button, scroll wheel [especially on OSX]) unless coded properly (most aren't), break search engine functionality, they lack CTRL+F features, they are a lazy method of coding.
The only groups that currently still do all-flash sites are game publishers, movie producers, and artists (photography, video, etc). Artists are moving to CSS+JavaScript over the last few years. Game publishers are doing the same (with high amounts of flash videos). Movie producers are still using Flash websites, but ...
As for performance. Whenever I load up a flash game, my battery life drops by 1 hour and my fan goes into overdrive. YouTube videos aren't as bad, but the battery life does drop and the fans start to crank up. I can play a full-screen native application longer than I can play a 480x320 flash game.
Plus I don't know how many times I've loaded a flash app and the browser has crashed, or it's done something glitchy. For instance, a couple of days ago on my Windows box, I was watching a full screen YouTube video (1080p ftw). Anyways, I was closing it out of fullscreen and I accidentally clicked the right mouse button. This is where flash went glitchy. The context menu was stuck on screen, and there was no way to interact with it or the flash video behind it. Only thing I cold do was task manager and kill FireFox.
Based on the tech demos I've seen of HTML5 Canvases and HTML5 Audio/Video... I'm all for flash completely dieing off, except for it's niche markets like Flash Games. Even then.. Google embedded Quake inside an HTML5 canvas.
You're on a mobile device. Mobile being out in the public in a park, in a coffee shop, on the bus... I really don't want my kid to be sitting behind you on the bus while you're checking the latest content in the iPorn app on your iPad.
I don't have a problem with the content. And most wouldn't act in such a way. But there are plenty of idiots out there that would, just for ***** & giggles.
Apple may be over restrictive, but I've used Win-mobile devices and loaded apps onto these things to give GPS, utilize the IR in the phone and other neat applications. Half of them don't work, the other half are released with missing or over exaggerated features. All of them caused poor battery performance, would crash periodically, or caused weird things to happen to the phone. Plus their price tags were around $20 - $40.
AppStore is aggressive and the SDK is locked down, but I'd prefer being saved from bad/lazy developers (and I've seen very very bad/lazy developers).
Finally on to Flash. I saw someone say "What if I wanted to build my website in flash". To which I respond: I would smack you upside the head until you left the late 90s-early 2000s.
Completely flash websites have no place anymore. They suffer from many issues: breaking browser functionality (back button, scroll wheel [especially on OSX]) unless coded properly (most aren't), break search engine functionality, they lack CTRL+F features, they are a lazy method of coding.
The only groups that currently still do all-flash sites are game publishers, movie producers, and artists (photography, video, etc). Artists are moving to CSS+JavaScript over the last few years. Game publishers are doing the same (with high amounts of flash videos). Movie producers are still using Flash websites, but ...
As for performance. Whenever I load up a flash game, my battery life drops by 1 hour and my fan goes into overdrive. YouTube videos aren't as bad, but the battery life does drop and the fans start to crank up. I can play a full-screen native application longer than I can play a 480x320 flash game.
Plus I don't know how many times I've loaded a flash app and the browser has crashed, or it's done something glitchy. For instance, a couple of days ago on my Windows box, I was watching a full screen YouTube video (1080p ftw). Anyways, I was closing it out of fullscreen and I accidentally clicked the right mouse button. This is where flash went glitchy. The context menu was stuck on screen, and there was no way to interact with it or the flash video behind it. Only thing I cold do was task manager and kill FireFox.
Based on the tech demos I've seen of HTML5 Canvases and HTML5 Audio/Video... I'm all for flash completely dieing off, except for it's niche markets like Flash Games. Even then.. Google embedded Quake inside an HTML5 canvas.