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Sketchy Rumor Says Vision Pro Will Launch in Final Week of January
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Without FDA approval? Nope. Won’t happen. Vision Pro is clearly not designed to use in a surgical context and in fact there are companies doing this right now… with specific, dedicated hardware:
“The device used in the surgeries at Johns Hopkins is manufactured by Augmedics, a company based in Israel. Witham and colleagues at Johns Hopkins began working with the company last year to pilot a new augmented reality headset. They tested the device by implanting screws in the spine of a cadaver. The findings from this study, conducted in their capacities as consultants to Augmedics and outside of Johns Hopkins, were published in summer 2019 in the Journal of Neurosurgery Spine.”
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Johns Hopkins Performs Its First Augmented Reality Surgeries in Patients
The technology used by the physicians for the augmented reality surgeries consisted of a headset with a see-through eye display that projects images of the patient’s internal anatomy such as bones and other tissue based on CT scans — essentially giving the surgeons X-ray vision.
FDA approval is critical not just to satisfy regulatory requirements but to satisfy practicing doctors and surgeons.
“Even though FDA-approved systems exist, many surgeons are wary of trying these systems that seem like science fiction. For medicine to progress, we need to push awareness of this groundbreaking technology that is FDA-approved and available for use now.”
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Advancements In AR Surgery: Transforming Healthcare And Saving Lives
As AR technology continues to integrate with surgical navigation systems, the possibilities for improving surgical outcomes and transforming healthcare are limitless.
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This whole segment is being built out and has been for several years on custom hardware dedicated to surgery use. Apple’s headset is not designed for that. Apple’s headset is a consumer toy, not a medical device.
Agree with this 100%. The single user decision is incredibly limiting.
100% agree on this point...As a dad, I cannot see any good time to use the vision for entertainment.
Also not sold on using it for office work. Work is already supposed to be tiring. Why would people add the physical fatigue from wearing a headset to that experience? Seems poorly thought out.
Separately, I think the hype for this product is dying down. The release is coming quite a bit after the announcement. Given it is a category where a ton of tech companies have already overpromised/under-delivered, you'd expect consumers to be cautious before shelling out 3.5k. As an example, I have a rarely used PS VR headset. I'd rather not vomit while gaming.
You can? Please provide some real world examples. Because the very presence of cell phones in surgical theaters has been a controversial topic since at least 2015. It is not a casual case of “oh yeah! Surgeons use iPhones in operations all the time!” Because that just isn’t the case.
Without FDA approval? Nope. Won’t happen. Vision Pro is clearly not designed to use in a surgical context and in fact there are companies doing this right now… with specific, dedicated hardware:
“The device used in the surgeries at Johns Hopkins is manufactured by Augmedics, a company based in Israel. Witham and colleagues at Johns Hopkins began working with the company last year to pilot a new augmented reality headset. They tested the device by implanting screws in the spine of a cadaver. The findings from this study, conducted in their capacities as consultants to Augmedics and outside of Johns Hopkins, were published in summer 2019 in the Journal of Neurosurgery Spine.”
-source:
Johns Hopkins Performs Its First Augmented Reality Surgeries in Patients
The technology used by the physicians for the augmented reality surgeries consisted of a headset with a see-through eye display that projects images of the patient’s internal anatomy such as bones and other tissue based on CT scans — essentially giving the surgeons X-ray vision.www.hopkinsmedicine.org
FDA approval is critical not just to satisfy regulatory requirements but to satisfy practicing doctors and surgeons.
“Even though FDA-approved systems exist, many surgeons are wary of trying these systems that seem like science fiction. For medicine to progress, we need to push awareness of this groundbreaking technology that is FDA-approved and available for use now.”
-source:
Advancements In AR Surgery: Transforming Healthcare And Saving Lives
As AR technology continues to integrate with surgical navigation systems, the possibilities for improving surgical outcomes and transforming healthcare are limitless.
This whole segment is being built out and has been for several years on custom hardware dedicated to surgery use. Apple’s headset is not designed for that. Apple’s headset is a consumer toy, not a medical device.
Whoa! Holy smokes... so many words in your retort! A genuine google-master!
Apparently you ignored my post #222:
"Jeeeez...Talk about moving the goal posts... I never claimed AVP would be used for surgery. Again... I was talking about AR in general, and surgery is one of at least a hundred cases where AR is used."
Pay attention if you'd like to have a mature and thoughtful discussion.
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Ah, the classic old Steve Ballmer meme from almost 20 years ago. Never mind that Apple was under completely different management back then and forget it was much easier to dismiss them when they were a much smaller underdog. Also don't consider the fact that their VR launch has almost no meaningful parallels with the iPhone launch aside from it being a product launch.
I'll still go on the record predicting this thing is going to flop harder than an angry great white shark who has just been harpooned and is fighting for it's life.
This thing will end up like Pippin, Apple Ping and the OG HomePod. As such, not many care about when it is going to be released as most won’t ever buy it and whose who will probably will never upgrade it as it is likely there is never going to be a version 2. Or Apple could release one just not to admit to have failed, it is after all just a vanity project by a company who has all but lost its capacity to innovate.
It would be interesting to see kids play AR Splatoon with this. If nothing else it would make a splash. 🙄
Anyone used one of these long enough yet to report on eye strain? I borrowed a Rift DK2 from a friend back in the day (before it was bought by Facebook) and I could only handle 10-15 minutes at a time. Playing Half Life 2 in VR was awesome but I couldn't go for very long.
I find your reply rather condescending.
That said, you did not reply to anything I said. The difference between categories and products is an important one. Both are cherry picking indeed, but he did give way, way better examples than you did - and more valid ones: categories, not products, and newer ones.
That was my point.
I will not be condescending back, as I do believe in being civilized. Cheers.
You are replying to your own ideas about what I said. As you suggest phones can be used in the OR (thus the controversy) and whether or not the AVP is considered a medical device depends on what role it is playing. I don’t know how examples help with your internal distress.
I’m curious how much involvement Jony Ive had with this product. His name is on a recent patent that looks like it could apply to Vision Pro some day.
www.theverge.com
Jony Ive imagined the Vision Pro giving you Zoom eyes and sunglasses
Yes, Zoom eyes.
www.theverge.com
Exactly. As a dad myself I can barely find time to have headphones on much less this. Though I did get a quest 3 for the kiddo for Xmas and already returned it after using it myself. It’s just something he doesn’t need and too much potential for eye damage.
It’s neat. There’s certainly a wow factor when exposed to media or games that Apple of course will market to death starting with 3d videos. But you can’t wear more than 30min. And that wow factor goes away quick. I don’t want to be immersed played games. Too much work. Don’t want to really consume video or media because wearing the thing basically sucks. You can’t wait to take it off.
I have kids. I understand the value of pics and videos. And apple will be all over it. But this isn’t something I want especially when it’s only a brief singular experience at a time. Over 4k with taxes and the required AppleCare ? No thanks.
I couldn’t even imagine wanting to work for hours with one on. lol.
I’d be lying if I didn’t say my curiosity got the best of me while I had the quest 3. Omg. Another reason my kid didn’t need this. But you may be right. That’s quite the price for it though. lol.
I have a Quest 3. It's pretty impressive. I never used the Quest 2, but it's a huge step up from my Oculus Go. The hand-tracking is cool. Reaching out to pinch the corner of a window so you can drag it to where you want it is surreal (truly!). I bought it to have something for the kids to use when I got the Vision Pro, so they wouldn't be asking to borrow it. It's better than I expected it to be, and it gives them hours of entertainment. They've already been banned from Gorilla Tag twice.
The biggest problem I have is getting my personal content to it. There's an Android File Transfer tool for the Mac that worked for a couple of days, but now it says it can't find the connected device. I've put files onto a portable drive that I can share with my PC, but even that loses focus when transferring large (10gb) files. I also can put files on the Apple Cloud Drive and retrieve them from the browser on the MQ3, but the browser freezes after 3 or 4 files.
With what I've been able to transfer it's great for viewing Spatial Video files that I've converted to a compatible format. I have a new 3D still and video camera that can take some great images, and I have a 360 degree camera for photosphere images. I used to have a 3D 180 degree camera, and I have some files saved in that format. I have a lot of 3d photos that I shot on film 30 years ago. I've scanned the negatives, and have had a lot of fun lining up the views and viewing them on the MQ3.
I'm still planning to get the Vision Pro. But I do recommend the Meta Quest 3 for people who want VR now, but don't want to spend for Apple's first generation entry.
You know what “most” means, right? 7.4/350 isn’t “most”.Most people? 7.4 million can buy it with pocket change.
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I agree with your overall point, though. Not enough value.
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I can see the MacRumors headlines now: "Apple Scales Back Production of Vision Pro as Sales 'Disappointing'"
