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I don't think so; Quest is built like a toy, marketed like a toy. From the reviews, AVP is in a wholly different class. Those enterprise industries weren't going to invest until they saw a device that was compelling enough to develop for.

And doesn't focus on AR. Unlike Apple and AVP.
 
I AM buying on what it has now, but also on what I think will be possible in the future. I'm adopting a platform, not just a hardware device.

I wish you luck! I buy on what's available now, not what could be. Too many companies have changed their minds or dropped products/services/features after the fact, despite big funding, big promises and big ideas. I don't like being on the bleeding-edge and I have no stomach for early adoption and its pitfalls.

I always wait about six months after a new product/model is released before I consider buying, Mac's and iPhones included. New categories like this would 2-3 years out for me, at least.

To each their own! 😊
 
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I didn't say that Apple would necessarily enter this market; but they could. It's a question of scale. If Apple quickly becomes the dominant player in tech in this field, they'll have cash to do R&D that will move the industry forward. They could just choose to license certain tech to other companies. Again, why this need to argue against the potential of the tech?
Because it’s neither here nor there. As my therapist once told me, potential is meaningless. Don’t be with someone because of potential. Don’t stay in a job because of potential. It doesn’t exist. It’s your fantasy.

I find it interesting that the few very loud Vision Pro fans on this forum spend most of their time pushing fantasy use cases and “dreaming” instead of actually talking about the what the product can do and why anyone might want that stuff. In my mind it makes the case for AVP being a success even less likely if all the fans can talk about are non-existent features and use cases that might happen one day well into the future. Or might not.
 
They are still very big companies, just not in the consumer space. They are in commercial and industrial hardwarw.

I know. I was speaking with respect to cellular phones, a marketed they dominated.

What cracks me up were all the naysayers here back when Apple introduced iPhone. And proclaimed it would flop.

Just like iPod before that.
 
Because it’s neither here nor there. As my therapist once told me, potential is meaningless. Don’t be with someone because of potential. Don’t stay in a job because of potential. It doesn’t exist. It’s your fantasy.

I find it interesting that the few very loud Vision Pro fans on this forum spend most of their time pushing fantasy use cases and “dreaming” instead of actually talking about the what the product can do and why anyone might want that stuff. In my mind it makes the case for AVP being a success even less likely if all the fans can talk about are non-existent features and use cases that might happen one day well into the future. Or might not.

It didn't bode well when the initial rumors came out and the #1 response from fans was "this is for DEVELOPERS ONLY". Apart from that being a major cope as Apple doesn't release "developer only" consumer products, it again hinges the success of this device on imagined potential.
 
I find it interesting that the few very loud Vision Pro fans on this forum spend most of their time pushing fantasy use cases and “dreaming” instead of actually talking about the what the product can do and why anyone might want that stuff. In my mind it makes the case for AVP being a success even less likely if all the fans can talk about are non-existent features and use cases that might happen one day well into the future. Or might not.

I've been extolling the virtues and use cases of AR for at least two years now.

The trouble is it seems nobody is even remotely curious about the tech and willing to do even a wee bit of their own research, think about the possibilities, or even have a conversation. Clearly Timo is an exception.

I get it. It's much easier to proclaim new Apple products a flop and call it a day. There's a very rich history of that. And a forum cred-builder.
 
There are lots of rich Apple fans who would buy this and there's many on YouTube who are going to endlessly praise this. Well, enough for Apple to keep it viable.
precisely is what apple dont want it, if they wanna the revenue, they need to drop the price or else and they know it,
 
But it's the ability to envision something new, different, better. Hope. I think this is the fuel of humanity. Note, not all humans feel this or do this. But some do, and I think that has changed the species.

I agree, but I don't have much faith in shareholder-owned corporations in pushing humanity forward. Visionaries do that, not profit-maximizers.
 
Ready and waiting. Hoping we can order online rather than a store visit. Happy to go in for fit, however. We are almost there!

Native Office was a nice addition to productivity on the quest recently. That has already become a viable budget computer. Can't wait to see what Apple has native and how they integrate the Mac content. Expecting some magic there.

I would hope it is a lot less clunky than that!
 
Ready and waiting. Hoping we can order online rather than a store visit. Happy to go in for fit, however. We are almost there!

Native Office was a nice addition to productivity on the quest recently. That has already become a viable budget computer. Can't wait to see what Apple has native and how they integrate the Mac content. Expecting some magic there.

I would hope it is a lot less clunky than that!
 
I’ll add that those folks on here saying this isn’t for entertainment, but is instead for spatial computing are trying to put this in a box of their own making. I believe it’s up to the individual consumer to decide what it can be used for. I would be interested in its entertainment applications (like 3D movie experiences), but I fully recognize that others may not care as much about that aspect.
 
Based on many of the comments here, I believe I'm back in the USSR where commissars made all the decisions because the people — well, they were just, you know, people — not gilded experts like the commissars.

I believe in the power of the marketplace. If consumers think AVP sucks, it'll be a flop. If enough consumers buy it, it'll soar.

BTW, if this was my website, I'd restrict comments on certain posts to those who own at least 500 shares of AAPL, for they are the ones with skin in the game if a product fails.
 
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If the sports world got on board with 3d streaming, I'd love to watch a game with the VP as if I were court side, behind home plate or on the 50 yd. line.
 
based on this, i'll just wait for the vision pro 3S or the vision pro 5 pro max..

until it's just has easy to put this on as glasses / sunglasses (with no wires and batteries, etc) , it will never become mainstream.
 
If the sports world got on board with 3d streaming, I'd love to watch a game with the VP as if I were court side, behind home plate or on the 50 yd. line.
One of the people who used it said the demo was so good they would buy the device for that alone. I hope it’s impressive. I don’t care much for concerts but I could never afford to sit courtside at an NBA game. If this makes that semi possible…
 
That would require Apple having the device certified as a medical device, which is highly unlikely. Anything used in a medical setting has to meet all sorts of requirements. These fantasy scenarios are just that, fantasy. No doctor is going to use AVP in surgery.
Not necessarily true. You can use your phone to help you do surgery. It depends on what role the AVP is playing.
 
Without thinking I am able to predict the future of this category, two things I find are wrong with your logic.

1.- I would say there is a difference between an instance of a product and a whole category. He was talking about categories, you mostly named specific products. Or does the flop of the Lisa mean the whole computer business did not work out?

2.- As predicted by many Apple fans at the time. Yet, the newest product you mentioned dates back to 2006, and is the only product in the list that came out after the birth of Macrumors. Maybe there were big communities of Apple fans discussing the future success of these particular products in the early 90's to which you belonged, and I just missed out on them.

Cherry picked. That was the point. He was cherry picking so I did some picking too. Sorry the point wasn’t clear to you. Let me spell it out: the post I was responding to was a blatant fallacy. I replied with another similarly constructed blatant fallacy… to show how the original one proves nothing.
 
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These will sell out immediately then eBay will be full of listings for the rest of the year.
 
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