Sketchy Video Shows Possible iPhone SE 2 With Glass Back and Headphone Jack

[ktecac]

This question doesn't even make sense. The model iPhone one is using has absolutely nothing to do with the fact AirPods are Bluetooth headphones.

Yeah my bad - I thought that to get the benefits of the W1 chip I needed a newer iPhone (at least 7)

 

[Michael Goff]

Please educate me - why did they remove the headphone jack if not to boost sales of AirPods?

Making more money off iPhone users was the primary motivation for removing the jack - the 3.5mm jack makes them no money.

Whereas...wireless audio gets them AirPod "subscribers" - people who drop $160 every 2-3 years, forever.

Internal space. And no, I'm not talking about thickness. I'm talking about the other dimensions of the phone. They wanted to make then Taptic Engine bigger, for example, and that takes space.

Edit: Reading your other post makes me think you reached the conclusion before you looked at any evidence and won't listen to anyone that disagrees with you.

 

[spazzcat]

1) I am a "pro" and I use those cheap headphones all-day-long.

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3) Want a bet? If Apple removed the screen, and enough people didn't buy/compained, they'd add it back. Also, no developing country (where people don't have huge disposable incomes) will fall for AirPods. They'll want cheap, reliable, long-lasting wired headphones and Apple knows it.

To point (3), they are still selling millions of phones, most people don't care and just use the free ones that come with the phone.

 

[Mad Mac Maniac]

Its been stated many times, Apple‘s views don’t share retaining the 3.5 mm Jack anymore. They made that clear, actually multiple executives have commented how the 3.5 mm Jack is antiquated technology and it’s time to move on from that. Also, retaining the 3.5 mm Jack will would be a horrible business practice if one phone retained it and the other iPhones no longer supported it, which would send mixed messages based on Apples own statements and viewpoints. Apple would likely want consistency across their iPhone lineup. I truly believe the 3.5 mm Jack will not be consideration for any future iPhone models since the iPhone 7. If the SE is updated, it will keep the headphone jack,

You do realize the literally every other personal computting device that Apple sells still has a headphone jack, right? iPad, all the Macbooks, even the friggin' iMac! Do you really think the next macbook will remove the headphone jack (or replaced with a lightning port)? Plus I think the SE could potentially retain it a little longer due to being "grandfathered" in.

In your bolded sentence did you mean it won't keep the headphone jack? Otherwise your post makes no sense.

 

[L-Viz]

3.5mm jack is a beautifully designed universal standard, found on all kinds of devices worldwide.

The provided dongle is absolutely no solution - what happens when you switch headphones from phone to laptop say....do you leave the dongle hanging from your $1000 phone? Or do you put it in your pocket until you can lose it?

It’s a total joke to think anybody can consider that dongle a viaible alternative to a 3.5mm jack. It’s a ******** gesture from Apple. The experience using a dongle is designed to further ‘encourage’ people to upgrade to their expensive, disposable Airpods.

No one is satisfied with using a dongle to use 3.5mm headphones.

If you have Airpods and like them, i’m pleased for you.

I don’t deny you your Airpods - don’t deny me my headphone jack.

Good design doesn’t get old. Or should we start redesigning how speakers work because the tech is hundreds of years old? Or wheels?

No one alive can justify the removal of that headphone jack for anything other than profit

Ok, I understand your point, in my opinion, Apple should have a lightning port on all of its computers, that would solve the problem for people, who stay in the apple eco system.

But just because a jack is universal, it doesn't mean that it is good. It is like a floppy drive. People in the past could have argued just how you argue now: "What ? No floppy drive? Thanks but i will pass! I have so many floppy disks and no CD-Roms! And everybody at work has floppy drives! It is universal!!! ...."

you get the point ...

the jack is outdated because it just can do one thing, transmit audio. That is not good enough compared to other ports, that have multiple functions. Apple is very focused on aesthetics of their devices and in the future, they will put more weight on symmetry, (especially after notch-gate) and you can't have symmetry with a jack,

and be prepared for the future. I believe, that in 5 years, iPhones won't have ports at all. Power, Data, everything will be wireless, the only holes in the outer shell will be for speakers and microphones. That is not my choice, not my preference, but Apple is heading that way.

 

[otternonsense]

Ok, I understand your point, in my opinion, Apple should have a lightning port on all of its computers, that would solve the problem for people, who stay in the apple eco system.

But just because a jack is universal, it doesn't mean that it is good. It is like a floppy drive. People in the past could have argued just how you argue now: "What ? No floppy drive? Thanks but i will pass! I have so many floppy disks and no CD-Roms! And everybody at work has floppy drives! It is universal!!! ...."

you get the point ...

No, it's actually a completely wrong analogy.

the jack is outdated because it just can do one thing, transmit audio. That is not good enough compared to other ports, that have multiple functions.

Not true either. There was a host of accessories (e.g. the Square credit card reader) that took advantage of the audiojack.

Apple is very focused on aesthetics of their devices and in the future, they will put more weight on symmetry, (especially after notch-gate) and you can't have symmetry with a jack,

Not really. It's just Ive running amok with omitting features to make devices fit and trim for display on a design museum but not for daily use. For the first time, Apple is sacrificing SO many features that it departed from the adage of "design serving/adapting to the user", instead they produce mindless designs that force the user to adapt to them. And it all boils down to the lack of Jobs' leadership/mindset that kept Ive's vain preciosity in check and delivered excellent products. Cook is a clueless twit that's only good for tweeting inspirational nothings on national holidays.

and be prepared for the future. I believe, that in 5 years, iPhones won't have ports at all. Power, Data, everything will be wireless, the only holes in the outer shell will be for speakers and microphones. That is not my choice, not my preference, but Apple is heading that way.

I don't think even Apple itself knows what the future is, at the moment they're throwing aluminum pies in the sky and revel in brand recognition.

 

[L-Viz]

Yep. I really don't get all those defending Apple's "courage"

Not defending, just monitoring, and I think it is not "courage", more conceitedness or even audacity. Apple always thinks it can set new industry standards, sometimes they fail, but sometimes they will succeed. I don't know where this jack thing is heading, nobody can right now. What if the whole headphone market shifts towards new standards of bluetooth, new battery technology etc... or do you find any new tv set with a wired remote control?

 

[H818H]

Internal space. And no, I'm not talking about thickness. I'm talking about the other dimensions of the phone. They wanted to make then Taptic Engine bigger, for example, and that takes space.

Edit: Reading your other post makes me think you reached the conclusion before you looked at any evidence and won't listen to anyone that disagrees with you.

I looked at all the evidence, then came to my conclusion.

You make out as though it’s a choice between jack or Taptic - it’s not a binary one or other, both could coexist were the phone made bigger.

And if it were a choice, i’d take the headphone jack.

 

[44267547]

You do realize the literally every other personal computting device that Apple sells still has a headphone jack, right? iPad, all the Macbooks, even the friggin' iMac! Do you really think the next macbook will remove the headphone jack (or replaced with a lightning port)?

But we’re not discussing every other Apple product, nor am I interested in discussing the MacBook, iPad, ect. We are discussing the iPhone SE, which Apple specifically deleted the 3.5 Jack to the other iPhone models. So let’s not conflate other products that are more stationary in most cases, where the iPhone is more portable, and Bluetooth is something that Apple has been exemplifying since the debut of AirPods. So you’re on two different tangents.

I think the SE could potentially retain it a little longer due to being "grandfathered" in.

The iPhone SE will likely be retained in their lineup for at least one more year, which,
If the iPhone SE is updated, then it won’t retain the 3.5 Jack by all means.

In your bolded sentence did you mean it won't keep the headphone jack? Otherwise your post makes no sense.

Yes, I will edit my post based on missing the word “Won’t. “

 

[Michael Goff]

I looked at all the evidence, then came to my conclusion.

You make out as though it’s a choice between jack or Taptic - it’s not a binary one or other, both could coexist were the phone made bigger.

And if it were a choice, i’d take the headphone jack.

So you want a wider and taller phone? Also, they didn't ask you how to design their phone.

 

[H818H]

To point (3), they are still selling millions of phones, most people don't care and just use the free ones that come with the phone.

If apple released a phone without a screen, would you buy it?

Or would you view it as a downgrade in functionality, and refuse to buy, let alone pay a premium for the new loss of functionality and usability.

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So you want a wider and taller phone? Also, they didn't ask you how to design their phone.

Thanks for reminding me i’m not on the Apple design team, I do get confused sometimes...

I'll bite - why couldn't an iPhone be made thicker to accommodate a Taptic Engine if that's required? Why couldn't a smaller module be designed for the smaller phone?

Why do you feel motivated to defend a company removing consumer choice?

 

[Michael Goff]

If apple released a phone without a screen, would you buy it?

Or would you view it as a downgrade in functionality, and refuse to buy, let alone pay a premium for the new lack of choice
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Thanks for reminding me i’m Not on the Apple design team, I do get confused sometimes...

Why do you feel motivated to defend a company removing consumer choice?

I'm not defending anything. If you want to hate Apple, that's fine. But hate with knowledge. Don't just spout bland "they do everything because they're greedy" mantra. Sometimes they want to make design choices you don't like. You may not think a bigger Taptic Engine was a good idea, but they did.

 

[Act3]

And parking spaces are free in the South while they go for $15k-$30k in Boston, Philly, or NYC. Your point?

EDIT: Also, you mean the iPad designed specifically with education in mind—a field that’s NOTORIOUSLY slow to adapt new technology?

you mentioned the 3.5 jack is on its way out yet apple still puts them in their updated products. that's the point. why aren't they gone yet in the desktops, laptops, ipads, etc.... it will be two years this fall since it was removed from the iPhone.

 

[Michael Goff]

you mentioned the 3.5 jack is on its way out yet apple still puts them in their updated products. that's the point. why aren't they gone yet in the desktops, laptops, ipads, etc.... it will be two years this fall since it was removed from the iPhone.

Because it was never about how old it was. It was always about wanting to use the internal space for something else. Laptops, desktops, and iPads have way more space and they aren't throwing more and more things into them. If they wanted to push their wireless solutions as some seem to think, they'd have ripped the jack out of everything by now.

 

[SeaFox]

Although if this is meant to appeal to cost conscious consumers, wouldn't it be counter-productive to force them into buying a BT headset?

Why is the BT/wired headset thing always framed as a money issue? It's much the same debate as wired Ethernet vs wi-fi. One is more convenient, the other is more reliable.

I was recently at a convention, walking around listening to music with my Bluetooth (4.2) earphones, and the music started cutting out. The transmitter was the phone in my front pocket of my jeans and the receiver was around my neck, only a couple feet distance, and yet it was having trouble playing. The reason was the multitude of people around me carrying smartphones that also had bluetooth on or other wireless transmissions going on.

I tuned off the headset and plugged in a pair of wired earphones I dug out of my bag. I had no issues after that, and I didn't have to worry if I brought a stupid dongle to connect them because my phone has a headphone jack.

 

[HarryWild]

fake SE2!

 

[Michael Goff]

Why is the BT/wired headset thing always framed as a money issue? It's much the same debate as wired Ethernet vs wi-fi. One is more convenient, the other is more reliable.

I was recently at a convention, walking around listening to music with my Bluetooth (4.2) earphones, and the music started cutting out. The transmitter was the phone in my front pocket of my jeans and the receiver was around my neck, only a couple feet distance, and yet it was having trouble playing. The reason was the multitude of people around me carrying smartphones that also had bluetooth on or other wireless transmissions going on.

I tuned off the headset and plugged in a pair of wired earphones I dug out of my bag. I had no issues after that, and I didn't have to worry if I brought a stupid dongle to connect them because my phone has a headphone jack.

Good or bad, those days are numbered.

 

[B4U]

Glass back? That would be like the iPhone 4 and 4S.
The stretched size makes it the 4SS, right?

 

[alpi123]

HERE'S THE ORIGINAL VIDEO FROM THE REPAIR SHOP
https://www.instagram.com/p/BdMkTMOht1w/?taken-by=cngo2

Can you link to some of the instagrams?
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[willmtaylor]

you mentioned the 3.5 jack is on its way out yet apple still puts them in their updated products. that's the point. why aren't they gone yet in the desktops, laptops, ipads, etc.... it will be two years this fall since it was removed from the iPhone.

It is on its way out, obviously. And obviously products in which space is at a premium will “lead the charge” so to speak.

 

[H818H]

So you want a wider and taller phone? Also, they didn't ask you how to design their phone.

I'll bite - why couldn't an iPhone be made thicker to accommodate a Taptic Engine?

Why couldn't a smaller module be designed for the smaller phone?

And why must it be included at the exclusion of a headphone jack?

Or rather is cutting the jack from the 7/7s/8/x nothing to do with the Taptic Engine and everything to do with making money through wireless headphones?

 

[Michael Goff]

I'll bite - why couldn't an iPhone be made thicker to accommodate a Taptic Engine if that's required? Why couldn't a smaller module be designed for the smaller phone? Why must it be included at the exclusion of a headphone jack?

Or rather is cutting the jack from the 7/7s/8/x nothing to do with the Taptic Engine and everything to do with making money through wireless headphones?

Because things that are three dimensional use all three dimensions. And why would they make a smaller module? So that the smaller phone can have a worse Taptic feel? As for why they have to exclude the headphone jack, let's try to look at what else they could have removed. Go ahead, I'm sure you can come up with something they could have removed instead.

Also, this idea about making money through wireless at the cost of the jack is a joke. If you take all of the AirPod sales they made, it'd be a rounding error. You don't seem to understand that. You want Apple to be an evil and greedy corporation and so you refuse to see anything else. You have an agenda and you're pushing it.

 

[H818H]

To point (3), they are still selling millions of phones, most people don't care and just use the free ones that come with the phone.

Yes they're still selling phones, yes lots don't care, yes lots use the free proprietary headphones.

Now why is it ok to downgrade a product, remove a universal standard and charge more money?

Anecdotally, I know a number of people with jack-less iPhones who find it a hassle and a pain.

And more credit to them to admitting that they find it a pain. When you buy a product there's a strong psychological desire to endorse/evangelise about the product, especially if you spent a lot of money - helps you validate that you made the right choice.

Maybe that's why you support the removal of consumer choice? Do you perhaps own a phone without a jack?
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Because things that are three dimensional use all three dimensions. And why would they make a smaller module? So that the smaller phone can have a worse Taptic feel? As for why they have to exclude the headphone jack, let's try to look at what else they could have removed. Go ahead, I'm sure you can come up with something they could have removed instead.

Also, this idea about making money through wireless at the cost of the jack is a joke. If you take all of the AirPod sales they made, it'd be a rounding error. You don't seem to understand that. You want Apple to be an evil and greedy corporation and so you refuse to see anything else. You have an agenda and you're pushing it.

Increasing AOV (average order value) or RPC (revenue per customer) through increased accessory sales does not account to a rounding error - if you own a jackless phone - one with a protuding camera that requires a case to lay flat on a table - and you own AirPods, I guarantee you gave Apple more money than I did this year.

Combined sales of dongles, cases and headphones, at the scale that apple works at, adds up.

Still not heard a cogent argument as to why you're so in favour of removing the headphone jack. The 6s and 7 shared the same form factor - one had a jack, one didn't. Space doesn't explain it.

If you're trying to tell me they removed core functionality for a buzzier vibration motor I'm absolutely stunned that you consider this acceptable.

 

[Michael Goff]

Yes they're still selling phones, yes lot's don't care, yes lots use the free headphones.

Now why is it ok to downgrade a product and charge more?

Anecdotally, I know a number of people with jack-less iPhones who find it a hassle and a pain.

And more credit to them to admitting that they find it a pain. When you buy a product there's a strong psychological desire to endorse/evangelise about the product, especially if you spent a lot of money - helps you validate that you made the right choice.

Maybe that's why you support the removal of consumer choice? Do you perhaps own a phone without a jack?
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Increasing AOV (average order value) or RPC (revenue per customer) through increased accessory sales does not account to a rounding error - if you own a jackless phone - one with a protuding camera that requires a case to lay flat on a table - and you own AirPods, I guarantee you gave Apple more money than I did this year.

Combined sales of dongles, cases and headphones, at the scale that apple works at, adds up.

Still not heard a cogent argument as to why you're so in favour of removing the headphone jack. The 6s and 7 shared the same form factor - one had a jack, one didn't. Space doesn't explain it.

If you're trying to tell me they removed core functionality for a buzzier vibration motor I'm absolutely stunned that you consider this acceptable.

If you just consider the taptic engine a buzzier motor, that pretty much calls an end to the conversation because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[H818H]

If you just consider the taptic engine a buzzier motor, that pretty much calls an end to the conversation because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

How would you describe it then? Does it do something fundamentally different to what the 6s had? Or just feel like a slightly different type if buzz. You're talking to someone who has used a 6s and 8 by the way....

Apple removed the jack to boost wireless headphone sales.

End. Of. Story.

Works for them on multiple levels - main one being it turns AirPod purchasers into repeat ‘subscribers’ (thanks, disposable li-ion batteries). Incredible profit margins, vs 3.5mm headphones which last forever.

No one ever complained about headphone cables - ever.

And don't tell me "get AirPods, they're great".

For one, I never want to use Siri to change volume, let alone pay for that "privilege".