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Skylake CPUs for next MB. (merged)

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koyoot said:
I know that I'm beginning the ****storm but: http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=243868&postcount=35

And he is really well informed ;).
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By 2017, you have higher chances of seeing Apples own ARM silicon under the hood of their low power notebooks than AMD being there. If they built in a static re-compiler for X86 on ARM (Talking Kernel level, not some shoddy software) people could run all their favorite software on an ARM Macbook. Personally with how iOS is going, I could very well see this happening within the turn of 2020. Just as they had done with PowerPC back in 2004/2005. Sure it would be ugly at first, but people would get used to it.
 
So, Microsoft will have Skylake in the Surface Pro 4.0 and Apple will have no Skylake anywhere at all for the Holiday Season? Ouch! Should be interesting.
 
I really hope a 16GB RAM fanless laptop with updated CPU is soon introduced. It would be the natural replacement for (my still operating) late 2010 13inch MBA. I don't consider 8GB RAM worthy of consideration for replacing my (4GB) MBA. And moving towards the MBP isn't a natural replacement either, because I chose the MBA for the reason of getting maximum performance with minimum noise and minimum weight.

Until a 16GB RAM rMB is released, I won't consider replacing my MBA, so please, make it happen soon, Apple!!
 
I thought 8GB was one the light side, but El Capitan removed my skepticism. Better memory management.
 
doitdada said:
I thought 8GB was one the light side, but El Capitan removed my skepticism. Better memory management.
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Operating system developers should be doing more with less; not less with more. Sadly, that has been the historical trend with Operating Systems since the early days of the personal computer. As technology continues to become less expensive I have no reservations that RAM capacity will increase for the same price as it was before, that's just how electronics evolution works. But creating buggy software that takes more than it needs is an equal part of being responsible for making a better system to begin with.
 
Cape Dave said:
So, Microsoft will have Skylake in the Surface Pro 4.0 and Apple will have no Skylake anywhere at all for the Holiday Season? Ouch! Should be interesting.
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I totally get your point, but ask 90% of people in any Apple Store (versus the more tech crowd on these forums) if they're "Waiting for Skylake" and you'll be greeted with a million blank stares. IMHO, The general Apple Customer doesn't really know anything/care about Skylake versus Broadwell/Haswell.
 
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fyrefly said:
I totally get your point, but ask 90% of people in any Apple Store (versus the more tech crowd on these forums) if they're "Waiting for Skylake" and you'll be greeted with a million blank stares. IMHO, The general Apple Customer doesn't really know anything/care about Skylake versus Broadwell/Haswell.
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Yeah, I completely agree. But I was hoping that some exec at Apple cared because he/she knows that some buyers will be looking at specs. Alas, I agree, no one but us cares :)
 
I see wireless charging as a chance to bring back a redesigned generation of MagSafe. Imagine a wire you attach to your computer case with a magnet and then it starts charging similar to the Apple Watch with no specific ports for charging. That's what I expect from the Skylake wireless charging.
 
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Aquamite said:
I see wireless charging as a chance to bring back a redesigned generation of MagSafe. Imagine a wire you attach to your computer case with a magnet and then it starts charging similar to the Apple Watch with no specific ports for charging. That's what I expect from the Skylake wireless charging.
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I love that - and it would free up the USB-C port for other things while simultaneously charging, but I honestly can't see Apple abandoning the USB-C charger after only one iteration. With USB-C packing Thunderbolt3 in the next generation of chipsets, I see Apple doubling down on USB-C ports/charging (maybe even for other MacBooks too) not abandoning it. But that's just MHO. ;)
 
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asiga said:
I really hope a 16GB RAM fanless laptop with updated CPU is soon introduced. It would be the natural replacement for (my still operating) late 2010 13inch MBA. I don't consider 8GB RAM worthy of consideration for replacing my (4GB) MBA. And moving towards the MBP isn't a natural replacement either, because I chose the MBA for the reason of getting maximum performance with minimum noise and minimum weight.

Until a 16GB RAM rMB is released, I won't consider replacing my MBA, so please, make it happen soon, Apple!!
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What exactly do you do that you need 16GB of RAM but not a lot of CPU power?
 
Depending on what you do on these virtual machine, 8 GB is already a pretty good amount of ram to run 3 VMs.
You can allocate one core and 1 to 2 GB of ram for each of them.
If you are a webdev, it's enough to test your website on the major OSes.

A lot of Windows computer are still sold with 1 or 2 GB of ram, especially the netbook-likes. It's a very cheap cost-cutting move, but it's enough for less demanding people to surf the web.

Plus, it seems you are handling your VMs with only 4 GB of ram right now, doubling that amount would already bring you some air ;)
 
Niarlatop said:
Depending on what you do on these virtual machine, 8 GB is already a pretty good amount of ram to run 3 VMs.
You can allocate one core and 1 to 2 GB of ram for each of them.
If you are a webdev, it's enough to test your website on the major OSes.

A lot of Windows computer are still sold with 1 or 2 GB of ram, especially the netbook-likes. It's a very cheap cost-cutting move, but it's enough for less demanding people to surf the web.

Plus, it seems you are handling your VMs with only 4 GB of ram right now, doubling that amount would already bring you some air ;)
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After months of tests I've found that I need 4GB of RAM for each VM on my computer so they run smoothly. It was literally a pain to run W10 on 2GB... Currently I have 16GB of RAM on my 13" MacBook Pro early 2011 with it's limited 2,3GHz i5 where I can run all my work comfortably plus some extra memory demanding software at the same time if I need to. And I don't see myself changing my RAM for less on my next computer.
 
fyrefly said:
I love that - and it would free up the USB-C port for other things while simultaneously charging, but I honestly can't see Apple abandoning the USB-C charger after only one iteration. With USB-C packing Thunderbolt3 in the next generation of chipsets, I see Apple doubling down on USB-C ports/charging (maybe even for other MacBooks too) not abandoning it. But that's just MHO. ;)
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What about the Smart Connector that's on the iPad Pro? No idea about the input/output, but that gives the keyboard power. If it's possible to charge a rMB with it, they might consider adding that to the side with a new kind of MagSafe connector. But yeah.. unlikely that they'll switch it up so soon, unfortunately.
 
C64 said:
What about the Smart Connector that's on the iPad Pro? No idea about the input/output, but that gives the keyboard power. If it's possible to charge a rMB with it, they might consider adding that to the side with a new kind of MagSafe connector. But yeah.. unlikely that they'll switch it up so soon, unfortunately.
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But that would take space on the chassis as it'd be the same as adding a new port to the case. What I suggest is a magnetic attachable charging cable that you can stick on any part of the aluminium body of your computer instead of plugging it on a specific port like we do/did with MagSafe. I think it's now a possible thing to design taking advantage of the wireless capabilities of Skylake.
 
Aquamite said:
But that would take space on the chassis as it'd be the same as adding a new port to the case. What I suggest is a magnetic attachable charging cable that you can stick on any part of the aluminium body of your computer instead of plugging it on a specific port like we do/did with MagSafe. I think it's now a possible thing to design taking advantage of the wireless capabilities of Skylake.
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You want to electrify the chassis while using it? Good grief.. o_O
 
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Aquamite said:
No. I want the macbook to charge wirelessly. So the power would go over the air and not through the aluminium as a conductor.
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Ah, well, why a cable then? Why not just something you set the machine close to? Any in any event, it wouldn't work, as wireless charging can't create a magnetic field through the aluminium, and I doubt Apple will change the chassis to a totally different material already.
 
T'hain Esh Kelch said:
Ah, well, why a cable then? Why not just something you set the machine close to? Any in any event, it wouldn't work, as wireless charging can't create a magnetic field through the aluminium, and I doubt Apple will change the chassis to a totally different material already.
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Because a charging surface is way more annoying than a simple cable.

Maybe wireless charging would work if part of the aluminium body is micro perforated like it was in the old MacBook Pros white led.
 
What about having a magnetic connection on the other side of the USB-C cable? Wouldn't it be almost as good if the connection to the power brick was magnetic.
 
Aquamite said:
Because a charging surface is way more annoying than a simple cable.

Maybe wireless charging would work if part of the aluminium body is micro perforated like it was in the old MacBook Pros white led.
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That still wouldn't work. What you and the other poster (if he meant electric field instead of magnetic field, really easy to create a magnetic field inside the aluminum) are missing is the faraday cage effect. You could put all the internals of the Macbook inside chicken wire, instead of the current aluminum body, and it still wouldn't be able to charge. Can't induce an electric field inside a metal container, no matter how big (reasonably of course) the perforations are. That's also why you don't get shocked if lightening strikes your car, the metal outside shields the non-conducting inside.
 
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Ahmahzahn said:
That still wouldn't work. What you and the other poster (if he meant electric field instead of magnetic field, really easy to create a magnetic field inside the aluminum) are missing is the faraday cage effect. You could put all the internals of the Macbook inside chicken wire, instead of the current aluminum body, and it still wouldn't be able to charge. Can't induce an electric field inside a metal container, no matter how big (reasonably of course) the perforations are. That's also why you don't get shocked if lightening strikes your car, the metal outside shields the non-conducting inside.
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And you are missing the point that the Faraday cage effect depends on the amplitud of the electromagnetic wave as much as the size of the perforations. That's why in a car with big perforations for the windows you don't get chocked by a lightning but you still have cellular connectivity in your phone. So in order to completely isolate your phone with the Faraday cage effect you'd need a cage with smaller perforations (try calling your to your phone inside a turned off microwave machine).

Intel uses for wireless charging on the new Skylake chips but it only needs to find the right equilibrium between those micro perforations and the amplitud of the wave. We still can receive radio waves for the wifi connection in the new fully aluminium body MacBook can't we?

Looks like the standard Skylake uses, Rezence, uses up to 6.75MHz for wireless charging. If our current aluminium body laptops are prepared for recieving 2.4GHz and 5GHz minimum redesign on the chasis would be necessary if any.
 
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