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Skylake CPUs for next MB. (merged)
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Wrong again!
Then I would wait for Skylake to find its way into the 13" MacBook Pro. But then again there is no reason Apple not to upgrade the MacBook - as it's their first fanless laptop, which clearly is the way forward for ultra-portables.
"40% more powerful". I love those kinds of claims, those statements, like they mean anything when comparing 1000th's of seconds to each other.
My son's have iPhone 6S's with processors supposedly 70% more powerful for launching and 90% more powerful for graphics yet at the dinner table neither of them can get to a sports score, a stock quote, or a Tweet any faster than I can on my iPhone 6.
The RMB is the first Apple notebook to take the headache of these horsepower wars off the plate; it is no surprise how some of you keep hanging on to these old paradigms, you're trying to make the RMB into a Pro. It simply isn't nor will it ever be. If the RMB isn't what you want it to be today, non-Skylake, then it's never going to meet your needs. Move on and get the Pro you really want.
BJ
If Apple update the Macbook with Skylake, add a second port and a 14" version I will find it VERY difficult to keep my promise to myself not to update my Air for five years...
agree. 14" RMB with one more port!
I'm waiting for the first skylake updated laptop. I'm on a MBA i7 from 2012. So if it's a RMB or a RMBP is not of much importance. I just want to have the latest 'technology step'. My MBA works ok - so i'm not in a rush - I'll just wait them out this time
I'm waiting for the first skylake updated laptop. I'm on a MBA i7 from 2012. So if it's a RMB or a RMBP is not of much importance. I just want to have the latest 'technology step'. My MBA works ok - so i'm not in a rush - I'll just wait them out this time
One thing BJ always forgets is usb-c thunderbolt port. One that current rMB doesn't have. And one port that makes a huge difference even if you don't care about processing power at all.
Apple will make a upgrade this year. But I'm afraid it won't be on march event. But one can hope
Apple will make a upgrade this year. But I'm afraid it won't be on march event. But one can hope
sorry but that iGPU will be better to have...is almost like it was with the first 15" MBP and its HD4000, a little lag in UI
With the new iGPU no more of this. I will skip this update since i already have but it is nice to have
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One thing BJ always forgets is usb-c thunderbolt port. One that current rMB doesn't have. And one port that makes a huge difference even if you don't care about processing power at all.
Apple will make a upgrade this year. But I'm afraid it won't be on march event. But one can hope
Why not March?
One thing BJ always forgets is usb-c thunderbolt port. One that current rMB doesn't have. And one port that makes a huge difference even if you don't care about processing power at all.
Apple will make a upgrade this year. But I'm afraid it won't be on march event. But one can hope
I don't even know what Thunderbolt is. I use my MacBook for Windows 10 exclusively, I can't stand Mac's or OSX, I was looking for the thinnest/lightest/fastest Windows 10 machine on the market and the RMB is it.
EDIT: Did a quick Google on Thunderbolt and it seems its a 2011 technology for connecting peripherals to notebooks back in the day. So its pretty obvious why it will never appear on the RMB which is not about old legacy technologies and old legacy peripherals.
BJ
So you don't really read tech portals nowdays, do you?
Thunderbolt has gonna a long way from being a niche product. Now the port is USB-C. It looks like usb-c, and it is usb-c. One port for all. Exactly what rMB is about.
Old technology? Well, I guess Lenovo, HP and others are idiots for switching to that old technology now. Your posts are really funny. You try to give impression that you know it all, but even simple things like thunderbolt are a SF for you.
BTW, it doesn't matter if you use OS X or Windows. Thunderbolt isn't OS X technology. Quite opposite. But you wouldn't know that since thunderbolt is old tech I guess. Especially TB3
So you don't really read tech portals nowdays, do you?
Thunderbolt has gonna a long way from being a niche product. Now the port is USB-C. It looks like usb-c, and it is usb-c. One port for all. Exactly what rMB is about.
Old technology? Well, I guess Lenovo, HP and others are idiots for switching to that old technology now. Your posts are really funny. You try to give impression that you know it all, but even simple things like thunderbolt are a SF for you.
BTW, it doesn't matter if you use OS X or Windows. Thunderbolt isn't OS X technology. Quite opposite. But you wouldn't know that since thunderbolt is old tech I guess. Especially TB3
Why would any Windows user know a damn thing about Thunderbolt? Let me remind you, 92% of all computers in the world run Windows, less than 8% run OSX. Read tech portals? Sure, about Windows machines and iOS hardware, definitely. Mac? Barely know anyone who use those. In the world of Windows, USB and HDMI are all we need, Apple makes tiny adapters that allow the RMB to play nice with those so all set there.
If USB-C is the next generation of Thunderbolt then that's good news for you, one more thing to check off your list, the RMB is good to go in that regard I guess. This machine is predicated on cutting all the peripheral cords, it's good that they've got the one port that can do it all for those who can't let go of the past.
BJ
The problem here is that I'm sure this is not the only user who thinks this way about tech. Sadly they are more common in this world than those of us who know about tech. So companies like Apple will always make decisions looking for this majority of "users" to buy their products ignoring our priorities.
rMB is not good to go, since rMB only supports usb 3.1 in it's usb-c port. rMB still doesn't support TB3. Next revision will.
And once again, TB ≠ OS X only. But you wouldn't have a clue about that, since you are mentioning HDMI and USB ports over and over again. Try to get 4k resolutions and 60Hz via HDMI, I don't even need to mention 5K in this case. What port do you think most PC (Windows) users use for those?
Actually, I'm gonna cut this discussion, since you really need to educate yourself in this matters a lot more if you want to talk about them. It's not the problem that you don't know, problem is that you think you know it all.
And if it makes u feel any better - you are right. About what you say? About everything you say.
All ok now?
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Agreed, there will be no Skylake revision for the RMB. It's nice that we're on the same page, though.
BJ
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And this sums up this thread quite nicely: You're riding the wrong notebook if you're looking for hardcore tech users needs to be met. You realize what the mission of the RMB is, yes? To be as thin and light and portable as possible, embracing connectivity to wireless and cloud, abandoning legacy peripherals, eschewing processing horsepower that common-folk don't ever use for real-world Browsing, Reporting, and Facebook needs on-the-go.
Apple makes a notebook that can give you everything you want. It's called the MacBook Pro. Why not go to that forum and talk about what you're looking for from that device? It's got the display, it's got the ports, it's already 10 years faster, it's even got this Thunderdome thing. The RMB is never going to meet your needs. What you really want is a super-thin MBP. Go ask for one. Don't start with the RMB and stuff it with things that won't fit; start with the MPB and thin it down to a size you like. It's the only way you're going to get what you want.
BJ
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Your post was referring to how I represent the majority of users out there and lamenting how Apple won't respond to the needs of the hardcore user because there aren't enough of you out there to sustain a meaningful business model.
I responded that its curious that a hardcore/power user would gravitate to the RMB in the first place since it's knowingly the weakest performing MacBook right out of the box and not the platform upon which one would build what many would view as the Ultimate MacBook. To me, my opinion, many of you are trying to take the form factor of the RMB and juice it up as it it were a Pro. And that's a nice dream but physically impossible.
BJ
I don't need to. My first post wasn't mean for you to understand it. I referred to you in 3rd person and I didn't even quote you.
I understood it. My response was strong. Perhaps you'll answer to it. Here's the short version:
If one is looking for a supremely powerful and legacy-compatible notebook, the RMB isn't for you and Skylake isn't going to change that one iota. What you're looking for is a Super-Thin MacBook Pro.
BJ
Isn't this a forum where to talk about what we expect to see and what we'd like to see?
You won't stop banging on about 'Skylake offers nothing, buy now'. It's irritating. I'm sure the current iteration is great, and if you can get a good deal then sure, buy one, but I along with others am quite happy to wait.
Many have mentioned it should offer reasonable improvements. Not enough to warrant an upgrade over Broadwell but perhaps enough to warrant waiting for a refresh. Even Anandtech was talking about the rMB and how long its been out and Skylake improvements.
-40% to iGPU is a serious gain and probably the area where it would be noticeable.
-Extended battery life by 10% (1hr or so) is a small but nice potential improvement
-TB over USB Type-C might mean nothing to you but this is a very important potential feature looking forward, TB is not an old tech, it's also the time where it goes from being niche to mainstream.
-10-15% IPC gains is another small but not insignificant change
By your logic lets just stop with the iPhone 4S, it was fast enough. I went from a 3GS>4S>5S>6S but what you fail to take into account is year to year iterative improvements may be only marginal, after a two year upgrade cycle that is common with iPhones the gains are really noticeable. My 6S feels night and day better over my 5S, 2x2 WiFi .ac, faster LTE, NVMe NAND flash, LPDDR4, 28nm > 14nm, these are all iterative improvements that add up. Why do you even bother commenting with such fervour if you fail to even understand basic techs like Thunderbolt?
Also Apple's present marketing strategy is even more in favour of aggressive update cycles that ever. There's opinion, then there's just misinformation. Neither of us work for Apple, but it doesn't take someone to know release schedules to understand waiting that long serves no purpose. Apple is growing it's Mac marketshare quite consistently, they aren't about to throw that away by not including new chips.
I'm not an Apple fanboy by any means, I judge each product on its merits and right now I really like their phones and laptops. I built my own Skylake gaming rig (6700k, GTX 970) and I'm looking for a portable, nice laptop for when I'm out and about working - but I'm not in any rush for it. The Dell XPS 13 is a nice choice but I'd like to go back to Mac, btw the Dells have had Skylake for a few months now.
FWIW, Ming-Chi Kuo is expecting updates to the MacBook line in the first half of this calendar year. He tends to have a better handle on Apple's plans than other analysts.
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I don't think that anyone realistically expects the rMB to become the equivalent of the MB Pro. All I'm asking for is an update that brings the rMB in line with similar offerings from other vendors, and possibly Thunderbolt and maybe another port. I'd also be happy with an updated MB Air with a retina display.
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I don't think that anyone realistically expects the rMB to become the equivalent of the MB Pro. All I'm asking for is an update that brings the rMB in line with similar offerings from other vendors, and possibly Thunderbolt and maybe another port. I'd also be happy with an updated MB Air with a retina display.
Probably this guy bj is getting paid by someone. I have never seen someone so desperately persistent in trying to convince the others in his beliefs. Or is someone who is trying to increase his post count number. He basically steals every discussion about future MacBook and the discussion starts revolving around him instead of the subject.
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