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Snow Leopard Adds Minor Often Requested Tweaks: Put Back, Stack Folder Navigation
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I just hope that with these minor 'tweaks' they fix iCal. The stupid bubbles are useless compared to the old edit pane.
The biggest problem I have with Stacks is the lack of the Application Stacking feature. Steve originally demoed it with being able to create stacks of apps on the left side of the crosswalk so that you could essentially categorize your apps in your dock and slim it down a bit. Not sure how that would work with the launching of those apps, would they appear outside the stack too, or would the stack get a glow spot representing that one app in the stack was active. Maybe that's why it was shelved.
Apart from putting the apps on the left side of the dock (which doesn't seem that important to me), doesn't dragging your /Applications folder to the right side of the dock accomplish the same thing?
That's what I have, anyway. One click and you get a list of all your apps. When you click an app, it opens on the left side of the dock like normal.
I guess if you wanted to categorize your apps you could create a subfolder structure and use shortcuts to the actual apps.
Yeah, then how come "nice unix systems" like gnome and kde implement it? Guess don't know what you are talking about.
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READING THESE THREADS? Please give us a few basic things we NEED, and be done with it.
Thats the problem, Finder is meant to have less features. Finder is designed to not be as easy to use as Explorer, Nautilus, Dolphin, Thunar, Konqueror... All of which have cut/paste.
There is no method to move a file into a parallel folder without 2 windows. If i have two folders A and B in the same directory and i want to move something from folder A to file B i have to drag the file back one folder via the Path Bar, then go back one folder in Finder, then move that file forward into folder B.
There are two easy ways to fix this:
Cut/paste. This will never happen though unless apple can convince us that they 'invented' the idea. They will have to call it something like 'Lift and place' so they can fool themselves into thinking they didnt copy anyone.
Have the folders in the Path Bar be spring loaded. I dont know why they arent already, but if i drag a document from my Docs folder into the "Steven" folder in my path bar the folder doesnt open, it just stares at me, even if i hit space.
You shouldnt have to have two windows open to move one file, that makes any workflow cluttered and inefficient when oyu have to go open two windows to do one task.
I have too many apps to scroll through that. I like the idea of putting 5-10 apps in the dock on the left side that I can pop up in a grid and launch from. Keep all my work related stuff in one, digital life as in music and video related stuff in another, and utilities that I use the most in a third.
As it is I do that now on the right side by creating folders for those and putting aliases to those apps in those folders and dragging those folders to the dock's right side. But in order for them too look like Apps, I had to use terminal to turn off the alias arrow so that they look normal, but the downside of that is that it is system wide for all aliases. And it takes extra steps and time to maintain those folders for adding apps.
I move stuff all the time with one window. It is called column view. I am also able to accomplish it via spring loaded folders. I do wish the finder had top/bottom split panes so that I could do this differently some times but it still works just fine the way it is.
i wish snow leopard has a "file cut option" or maybe a merge folders option. is very annoying when you try to copy a folder to a place where you already have a folder with the same name. the content will be overwritten, and you loose all the original files. very bad... the merge option would be sweet... or just like windows, the ability to paste the new folder and it automatically detects the same files and asks for overwrite when necessary...
just my 2 cents
just my 2 cents
I'd love that as well.
That way, I could pretend I was using CDE.
Seriously, CDE's "drawers" were a great way of categorising applications. You can do a similar thing with Stacks now, but having everything over to the right of the divider looks a bit wonky, especially when the applications open up on the left side while they are running.
Allowing application stacks over on the left side (and not duplicating the app icon while it is running) would be great.
i didn't ment to accuse you of speaking in more favorable tone of mac compared to windows.just wanted to point out that untill now, i couldn't see aby benefit in cover-flow-finder..but i can see your point. it's true, browsing a masse of pictures is more effective and actually fun in cover flow.
i just would like to see some improvement in "everyday situations for non designers"
I am a definite and long-time Apple fan, but like to think of myself as objective
. That said, I am extremely impressed with some of the more subtle touches Apple has made with the iPhone OS that will probably appear on the Mac with 10.6. I suspect we will see many more stories like this one for changes in our upcoming "no new features" upgrade . For everyday users, I agree that Cover Flow has limited usefulness. That said, systems are moving toward finding information based on metadata and previews rather than filenames, so I can see things like Cover Flow becoming more prominent.
Ok, im not going in favor or against cut and paste, but honestly the "everyone else does it" argument is a REALLY weak one. Talk about productivity or use or something when talking about a feature.
OSX is "thinking different" so a "me too!" argument just doesnt fly.
I suspect we will see many more stories like this one for changes in our upcoming "no new features" upgrade
I hope you are right
!Uhm, what kind of metadata should cover flow be using??
Correct me if im wrong, but aren't metadata some kind of "additional information" which aren't directly neccessary for the program or data to be used but just provide additional information?
So the added abilities of stacks seem obvious and beneficial. (as with "put back")
But they raise a question: How, exactly, is this not a repeat of finder, but with a different feature set and look? What you do is exactly the same - navigate the file structure to find what you're looking for. Finder gives you more control and more options, stacks is simpler. But isn't it the same thing?
It seems like the biggest difference is that when you reach what your looking for in stacks, you aren't left with an open window to annoy you. Perhaps that should be added as an option on finder?
But they raise a question: How, exactly, is this not a repeat of finder, but with a different feature set and look? What you do is exactly the same - navigate the file structure to find what you're looking for. Finder gives you more control and more options, stacks is simpler. But isn't it the same thing?
It seems like the biggest difference is that when you reach what your looking for in stacks, you aren't left with an open window to annoy you. Perhaps that should be added as an option on finder?
Just imagine you clicked the wrong item by mistake. it would be really annoying if you got to find that "file" all over again instead of just closing/quitting the accidentally opened file/progran and chosing the right one...
Then again, if you have drag n' drop in Stacks with a single Finder View above open, you can quickly organize your networked list of personnel public folders in a stack and drag n' drop your contents to that point w/ fewer steps.
Of course, if we had the old NeXT Shelf I could drag my contents via a symlink up to the shelf shift-tilda-username to the networked account and drop the file into their public folder to do the same thing.
QFT. I was puzzled at what he was saying, as I do single drags within one window all the time. Then after your reply I realised he was not on column view all the time. Column view is genius. Total control over where everything is. I love it.
edit: I was trying to play arounf in icon view - he IS right, though, a springloaded folder would be nice. But icon view is unnecessary.
Well, for those clamoring for new tweaks, here's another one:
Based on this image, you can now finally resize the item icons in regular finder windows (not just search results):
See lower right corner.
You can already do this. Right click, click Show View Icons, and move the Icon size slider.
Yeah but that was not my argument, I responded specifically to someone who said a nice unix system blah blah is not supposed to work this way while almost all unix systems work this way by now, both in the cut and paste and in the merge files domain...I mean what are we even discussing here these are kid's stuff they should have done that circa 2000, who doesnt want to be given an option to merge two folders? Is there a single soul here who'd rather do it manually? But I mentioned the other unixes to the guy who used the os unix as an example because the foss community is pretty innovating, if it weren't innovative apple wouldn't be ripping it off (or "using" parts of it) all the time and base a whole os on foss backbone. So its not "Everyone is doing it" that is my argument, but a. its highly required and b. everyone who knows what they are doing is doing it, and that's different,
Not just your 2 cents buddy, you are the tenth person who's said it here. HEY APPLE LISTEN UP. and in a thread having to do with tweaks in the ui for better work flow and usability THIS REQUEST MERGE AND CUT PASTE IS NUMERO ONE APPLE ABOVE ANYTHING ELSE, PLEASE LISTEN TO THE USERS, AND DON'T TURN THIS INTO ANOTHER PASTE FOR THE IPHONE FAILURE TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE STORY.
Or, you can look like fools
when you stand on stage and blather about the world's most advanced OS and someone goes, uh, when I copy a folder over to a location with the same folder name what happens? Well the os kinda overwrites everything in one folder with the other. That's how we do things in the world's most advanced OS.
Ah, my mistake & apologies.
My post still stands for anyone that wants to use a "well windows/linux does it this way!" post.
I hope you are right
Uhm, what kind of metadata should cover flow be using??
Correct me if im wrong, but aren't metadata some kind of "additional information" which aren't directly neccessary for the program or data to be used but just provide additional information?
Metadata, simply put, is information about a file. It may or may not be important to the application that's using it, but it often has meaning to the user. For example, the photos in your iPhoto library (unless it's full of images you saved from web pages) all "know" what model of camera took them, because that info is part of their metadata. iPhoto might not give a (insert expletive of choice) about what camera you used, but it might help you decide which of your two cameras takes better pictures.
A more general example of metadata is tagging, which just means associating keywords with something. Leap is a sort of alternative file browser which, instead of exposing the traditional folder hierarchy to the user, organizes and displays files by their tags, which get inserted behind-the-scenes into the Spotlight comments. While, at first, such a radical departure from the structured world of folders might make traditional users like us gasp in horror, it eventually becomes clear that tags will allow us to find files based on what they mean to us. The computer couldn't care less about what tags we assign to a file, but the computer's just there to serve us anyways.
The draw for this featurelet (it's a word now, dangit) is merely that it's quicker to access. You wouldn't want to have to open up a View Options window in iPhoto to get at the slider that resizes all the thumbnails there. Granted, I can't see much point in doing that for file icons, but I'm a Column View guy.
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