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Snow Leopard Bringing Substantial Package of Enhancements and Refinements

appleguy123 said:
WHat the Apple chat told me:
You are chatting with Coreen N, an Apple Expert
Hi, my name is Coreen N. Welcome to Apple!
Good evening.
How may I help you?
will snow leopard give multitouch and 4 finger gestures to laptops capable of two finger scrolling? ME
just to clarify i mean like the white macbook and ones capable of ONLY 2 finger scrolling ME
Which operating system are you currently using?
obviously mac os X leopard... ME
No, if your Mac doesn't offer this feature, the software upgrade will not.
this is not exactly what it refers to then? "All Mac notebooks with Multi-Touch trackpads now support three- and four-finger gestures." ME
from enhancments and refinements ME
Just one moment.
No rush :) just make sure its its correct i have heard many conflicts on this ME
Sure.
I have researched this.....
Yes, it will support three and four finger gestures.
Obviously the ME denotes things I said.
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Dont be so rude to apple reps, they are just little indian guys reading form the text book, they have no actual technical knowledge, they have only what is provided.
Im an Apple technician I speak with them/tsps on a daily basis
 
tray3 said:
I think i would wait for a couple of days to let things settle down a bit. I definitely need Evernote, Dropbox, Forklift and Onyx at least before making the switch...
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Agreed. It's nice to keep seeing things falling into place though. Finally Launchbar made the list. Coda, Adobe CS4, and CSSEdit and I'm happy for now.
 
iChat is still complete garbage. I tried initiating a video chat with 2 others running SL, no dice. 'Communications Error', even thought connecting through skype video or google video works instantly and flawlessly. Whats so special about iChat that it cant do the same, especially since its made by the same company that made the OS and the hardware? SL was to supposedly make iChat more reliable. Shame, cause it has some neat features. Video only works 10% of the time or so, with no discernable pattern.
 
It boggles my mind that so many people have so little to do that they call up Apple 1st line reps who have zero knowledge about pre-release stuff and try to shake them down for some little nugget of info to confirm their latest fantasy about an Apple product.

For crying out loud people, get a life!
 
Well I just pre-ordered Snow Leopard and ordered a 500GB WD drive from Newegg. Can't wait!
 
joueboy said:
So the QuicktimeX comes standard with OSX without buying a pro license to take advantage its advance features right? Unless I can keep my current quicktime pro license if incase there is a pro version of QuicktimeX. Because I am not buying a new pro license that almost cost as much as the OSX itself.
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The entire QuickTime X saga is truly odd. It's in Snow Leopard and it's new, yet it comes off as unfinished. Your only output options are save as and sharing (to iTunes, MobileMe and YouTube only).

QuickTime X is the new iMovie '08.

And although they ship QuickTime 7 on the install DVD, it's not the Pro version. You still have to buy the Pro version of 7 in Snow Leopard.
 

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Eidorian said:
http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/08/25/1839246/Report-That-OS-X-Snow-Leopard-May-Include-Antivirus

It seems like pure laziness right now and the desire to just sell you a new machine with the 9400M G in it.

I'm not getting Snow Leopard until next year with a new MacBook. I don't want to play these weird lets cripple 'X' model games with my money. I bought my Santa Rosa Macbook 5 days after the Leopard launch. A few days before they were selling GMA 950 ones like it was Christmas and all the happy faces.
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Expanded chipset support for h264 decoding will increase with the 10.6.x revisions. They greatly expanded their OpenCL support from betas and that's far more important than h264 when it comes to prioritizing projects.
 
Mal said:
So are you trolling or did you just fail to notice the rather noticeable mention of sandboxed apps? Snow Leopard includes the very feature you're acting like it's so important to have (even though it's not really a critical feature, just a tiny bit extra security onto of a really impressive level already).

jW
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Not trolling. Snow Leopard does not have OS Level Virtualization.

The "Sandboxing" that Snow Leopard has is not the same. Look up Mac OS X Seatbelt (http://www.318.com/techjournal/security/a-brief-introduction-to-mac-os-x-sandbox-technology/) and chroot jail. These are not the same as full fledged Jails. There is no mechanism for the user to sandbox an application, or daemon in Snow Leopard to the extent of Jails. Jails are in the kernel, Snow Leopards "SandBoxing" is in userland. Userland "Sandboxing" is easily broken.
 
henhowc said:
Pretty lame that the 9400m is the baseline requirement... :rolleyes:
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Having just read this about QuickTime X needing the 9400M for the new features, I won't be upgrading. I was all set on Snow Leopard but damn, that is one lame ass decision made by Apple. My 8600M GT is perfectly capable of doing the same thing.

Remember when Apple was content on supporting it's hardware for years? Pssshhh...my ONE year old MBP isn't even enough now.
 
backdraft said:
Not trolling. Snow Leopard does not have OS Level Virtualization.

The "Sandboxing" that Snow Leopard has is not the same. Look up Mac OS X Seatbelt and chroot jail. These are not the same as full fledged Jails. There is no mechanism for the user to sandbox an application, or daemon in Snow Leopard to the extent of Jails. Jails are in the kernel, Snow Leopards "SandBoxing" is in userland. Userland "Sandboxing" is easily broken.
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Your argument doesn't have much merit if you look at the number of users who actually are running virtualized OS for the types of situations that sandboxing deals with.

I can think of about 100 features in SL I'd like to see before they worry about this.

If it is such a big deal to you then run an OS that supports it, like RHEL.
 
jaw04005 said:
The entire QuickTime X saga is truly odd. It's in Snow Leopard and it's new, yet it comes off as unfinished. Your only output options are save as and sharing (to iTunes, MobileMe and YouTube only).

QuickTime X is the new iMovie '08.

And although they ship QuickTime 7 on the install DVD, it's not the Pro version. You still have to buy the Pro version of 7 in Snow Leopard.
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I don't understand....there are two different Quicktime Players now? Why :confused:
 
Hey do you guys know if Slingbox is compatible with Snow Leopard? And if it isn't, are they working on a version that will be compatible?
Thanks in advance!
 
cruxed said:
Hey do you guys know if Slingbox is compatible with Snow Leopard? And if it isn't, are they working on a version that will be compatible?
Thanks in advance!
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Sling Media hates Mac users, so I wouldn't count on an update any time soon if there are issues.

It's been almost a year and they still haven't given Slingbox Pro HD owners running Mac OS the HD streaming that was promised to them on the box when they bought the damn thing.

:mad:

Ever since Echostar bought them, Sling has gone to ****.
 
Sky Blue said:
It won't support it. A software update can not magically add hardware to your computer.
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There is clearly a discrepancy as to whether or not these gestures truly require hardware, when you and others cite apple's "new multi-touch trackpad" and others claim opportunities in linux drivers.

I'd like to see this point be clarified more publicly and fairly but I guess we'll find out soon enough.

-=|Mgkwho
 
ScottDrummer said:
Dont be so rude to apple reps, they are just little indian guys reading form the text book, they have no actual technical knowledge, they have only what is provided.
Im an Apple technician I speak with them/tsps on a daily basis
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Some of them work from home in the US through Arise, others are Apple employees in Austin. None that I know of that do chat for the US or UK are based anywhere other than the US.

Some of them have great technical knowledge, some of them don't. If they came in without great technical knowledge, they would not get it from the misinformation sessions they call training.

/I know because I was an Arise agent for Apple and saw the beast from inside out. And I did Apple chat for US/UK.
 
hamis92 said:
My thoughts exactly. 9400M is found in most Macs today, yes, but I'm sure they are a minority when you look at the base of all Intel Macs, since they've been available for a relatively short time.

This isn't even a new feature. Leopard-equipped Unibody notebooks already utilize GPU for H.264 decoding.
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Yes, you are correct and this is NOT a new Snow Leopard feature. My late 2008 MacBook already does GPU assisted decode of H264 video. You can confirm this quite easily by playing a 1080p video on any unibody MacBook and note that it doesn't even require 25% of one CPU core to do the decoding. Meanwhile, my 2.66GHz Intel Mac Pro requires almost 100% of a CPU core to decode the same video. Thus, Apple's claim that this is a new Snow Leopard feature is quite dubious. Basically, all they are doing is officially acknowledging something that they had already implemented last year (under Leopard).
 
pooryou said:
I don't understand....there are two different Quicktime Players now? Why :confused:
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Because QuickTime X does not have the same advanced functionality (like exporting) that QuickTime 7 offered.

Personally, I think the backstory to this is they wanted the team that did iMovie '08/'09 to redesign QuickTime. This is what we get with QuickTime Player X (10.0). They'll add additional features later on down the line with the 10.x updates. Although I have no proof of that.
 
jaw04005 said:
The entire QuickTime X saga is truly odd. It's in Snow Leopard and it's new, yet it comes off as unfinished. Your only output options are save as and sharing (to iTunes, MobileMe and YouTube only).

QuickTime X is the new iMovie '08.

And although they ship QuickTime 7 on the install DVD, it's not the Pro version. You still have to buy the Pro version of 7 in Snow Leopard.
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99% of Quicktime users don't need anything more than those output options in QTX so I don't see the problem. If you really need the pro features then you probably already have QT7 Pro and that will be no need to re-buy Pro for Snow Leopard if you already have the key.
 
jmpage2 said:
Your argument doesn't have much merit if you look at the number of users who actually are running virtualized OS for the types of situations that sandboxing deals with.

I can think of about 100 features in SL I'd like to see before they worry about this.

If it is such a big deal to you then run an OS that supports it, like RHEL.
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Who said anything about virtualizing the OS? The whole point of Jails is to isolate applications, services/daemons, and resource management without going the VMWare route where you are running multiple OS kernels simultaneously wasting resources.

Jails in Mac OS X would allow applications to be isolated from each other to increase security. Taken further, you could isolate remote users, partition resources (hardware/software) etc... Jails are useful on the client and server side for security.

If Jails are down properly with an easy GUI, adoption will sky rocket.

"run an OS that supports it, like RHEL."

That translates to one less Mac OS X license sold for Apple. Plus Mac OS X has the best GUI, I don't want RHEL.

"I can think of about 100 features in SL I'd like to see before they worry about this."

Like what? Jails would have a deeper impact on the security and management front.
 
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