So, are we expecting for the iPad Pro 2 on November or next spring?

[sracer]

I'd take more battery life as well... The iPad 2 and 4 had great battery life, and the Air 1 and Air 2 went down hill - of course both get to 10 hours, but the iPad 2 could get to 20 hours and my sister still drags over 20 hours out of her iPad 4. I believe the Pro 9.7 is better than the iPad Air 2, but whether it matches the iPad 2 or iPad 4 is unknown to me..

I regularly attained 13-14 hours of heavy usage on my iPad 4. Battery life was insane. Probably one of the reasons for the dramatic design change with the Air 1... to bring it back down into the 10 hour range.

The current 12.9 iPad Pro is a beast... performance-wise and size-wise. The glaring weak spot is the current state of iOS. I can't believe how easily I've been able to modify some of my workflows to be able to use it BETTER and MORE EFFICIENTLY than with my Macbook Air. But the more I rely on the iPP than on the MBA, the issues and limitations with iOS become more evident.

My irritation with it is growing... mostly of the "this thing is so close, come on Apple and seal the deal!" variety. I was disappointed by the lack of ANY announcements at WWDC of iPad-centric iOS enhancements.

TL;DR: Although there may need to be some additions (like 3D touch) to the hardware, the greater update need is software in general, iOS in particular.

 

[PortableLover]

Two things that I'd really love on a next gen iPad, be that it be 9.7 or 12.9... Better battery, theyve had the same 10 hours since the first pad. Of course I get more then that, but cmon apple. Increase the battery to lets say 12 hours? Give us a huge battery. Of course iOS needs to be changed for the iPad, but apart from that add 3D Touch. They have been advertising 3D touch so much, that its hilarious that the new ipad pros did not receive them. However for me I think battery would be the biggest reason to upgrade..

 

[inhalexhale1]

I wouldn't be surprised if they updated them every other year. I think we're at the point where there isn't really anything left to unveil unless its a new product or a redesign. At least on a yearly basis. I mean, the 12.9 is going to get true tone, maybe entry level 64GB, but is that really worthy of a keynote?

The focus now should be on software, if they really want the iPad to replace your laptop. Right now, it can't, aside from the most basic users. Sure, you could do some productive things on it, but it's not as comfortable/easy as a laptop or iMac.

 

[NICKXXXXXX]

I've been praying to god that we get a proper iPad ever since trying the surface

 

[GizmoDVD]

I've been praying to god that we get a proper iPad ever since trying the surface

We have a proper iPad. It's been out for years.

If you want a Surface get one. The iPad is not a surface.

 

[sracer]

Two things that I'd really love on a next gen iPad, be that it be 9.7 or 12.9... Better battery, theyve had the same 10 hours since the first pad. Of course I get more then that, but cmon apple. Increase the battery to lets say 12 hours? Give us a huge battery. Of course iOS needs to be changed for the iPad, but apart from that add 3D Touch. They have been advertising 3D touch so much, that its hilarious that the new ipad pros did not receive them. However for me I think battery would be the biggest reason to upgrade..

You either didn't read or forgot the two posts prior to yours. The iPad 4 had significantly better battery life than the advertised 10 hours. One of, if not THE, heaviest component in the iPad is the battery. There is a law of diminishing returns in that significantly increasing the battery size reduces the portability of the device. And suppose that the iPad had a battery capable of lasting 20 hours. How long would it take to charge? Charging then becomes an issue. Yes, more is better but if it comes at a cost in another aspect of the device then the benefit needs to be weighed in terms of its "net" effect.

We have a proper iPad. It's been out for years.
If you want a Surface get one. The iPad is not a surface.

That poster probably misspoke. I agree with the sentiment that some of us need a proper "Pro" iPad. I have extensive first-hand experience with Surface devices. Nifty netbooks/ultrabooks that make poor tablets. I've said it before, the Surface is not the pinnacle of a converged 2-in-1 device. Slapping a touch interface onto a desktop OS is not optimal. Apple can do a much better and more intelligent job of reaching a point of convergence. The iPad Pro is not there yet, but it is close and Apple can make it closer.

 

[Low country]

And meanwhile I'm flying along using my 9.7 iPP without . a . single . hiccup.

So much for all that RAM concern.

You are very fortunate

 

[an_explorer]

I hope that Apple takes into account three factors in choosing to update the Ipad Pro 12.9 this Fall. 1) its ambition for the iPad Pro as a potential Windows XP/7/8 replacement especially given resistance towards Windows 10 upgrades by a considerable number of Windows computer owners, 2) the official deprecation of the iPad 2 (20% of the approximately 300M plus iPads) with the introduction of iOS 10 this fall, and 3) the disposition of iPad 2 owners to view an iPad purchase as one which can have a long term return on investment.

My iPad 2 is beyond the end of its life and has become virtually unusable, so I will need to make a choice about a replacement in the near term. I would like for it to be an Apple iPad Pro 12.9. My use case, not that of others, turns on email, "Office" applications, photographic editing and display, and increasingly video editing. I understand that 2017 may be the year in which photography and video applications fully exploit iPad Pro capabilities. Given my needs I am looking for an 12.9 inch iPad to exploit those capabilities as they reach the marketplace.

Given how long I expect to own and use my next iPad I don't want to find myself lacking the display and communication capabilities which Apple released with the 9.7 inch iPad Pro. Given Apple's processor release cycle I would also hope to purchase this fall an iPad Pro 12.9 with one more processor "bump". I am concerned that without a 12.9" iPad Pro release this fall Apple will put into play a substantial enough portion of the 20% of its iPad customers who own the iPad 2 to affect its overall prospects as I think a number of us will "be in the market".

 

[M. Gustave]

2) the official deprecation of the iPad 2.

...

Given how long I expect to own and use my next iPad I don't want to find myself lacking the display and communication capabilities which Apple released with the 9.7 inch iPad Pro.

Given that you've successfully lived with an iPad 2 this whole time, even an iPad Air 2 would be a solid, long-term upgrade for you.

 

[drewjonn]

That poster probably misspoke. I agree with the sentiment that some of us need a proper "Pro" iPad. I have extensive first-hand experience with Surface devices. Nifty netbooks/ultrabooks that make poor tablets. I've said it before, the Surface is not the pinnacle of a converged 2-in-1 device. Slapping a touch interface onto a desktop OS is not optimal. Apple can do a much better and more intelligent job of reaching a point of convergence. The iPad Pro is not there yet, but it is close and Apple can make it closer.

Can't disagree more. Macbooks are my favorite Apple products and I'd hate to see their sale going down real bad when there is a touch screen gadget that can do their jobs.

That would just be called a touchscreen and lighter version of Macbook. iPad's new features should be very distinguishable to ones in Macs.

 

[sracer]

Can't disagree more. Macbooks are my favorite Apple products and I'd hate to see their sale going down real bad when there is a touch screen gadget that can do their jobs.

That would just be called a touchscreen and lighter version of Macbook. iPad's new features should be very distinguishable to ones in Macs.

Fair enough. But there is far more to what I'm talking about than what would be accomplished by simply slapping a touchscreen on a Macbook. THAT would be nothing more than an OSX version of the Surface. The Surface falls short IMO of being a desirable converged device. The OSX version of that would fare no better.

I'm not emotionally attached to any of my devices. I simply want the best device for what I do. As much as I love my 11" MBA and iPad Air 2, I'm finding that the 12.9 iPad Pro is increasingly filling the need served by those two devices. It supplements my iMac in a decent way. Some ways better than MBA/Air2, in other ways worse. I'm still working through the adjustments to my workflow to see how far I can take it.

 

[Synergie]

Apples battery life is accurate for stuff like browsing the web and handling emails..
"10h of battery life" ≈ 4h in real life creative work load and 12,9" then takes like 5h? to charge back up again..

If 10 really was 10 then I think we would all be very happy

I picked up the Lightning to USB-C cable and the 29 watt USB-C charger. 1.5 hrs tops to go from below 10% to full charge on my IPP 12.9 happy as a clam! That charger also seems to charge the iPhone 6s Plus faster too...

 

[drewjonn]

Fair enough. But there is far more to what I'm talking about than what would be accomplished by simply slapping a touchscreen on a Macbook. THAT would be nothing more than an OSX version of the Surface. The Surface falls short IMO of being a desirable converged device. The OSX version of that would fare no better.

I'm not emotionally attached to any of my devices. I simply want the best device for what I do. As much as I love my 11" MBA and iPad Air 2, I'm finding that the 12.9 iPad Pro is increasingly filling the need served by those two devices. It supplements my iMac in a decent way. Some ways better than MBA/Air2, in other ways worse. I'm still working through the adjustments to my workflow to see how far I can take it.

Yeah, thing is, we even know Apple better than that. No matter how good the iPad lines would be in the future, there should always be a bridge in between what the iPad can do and what the Mac can do. Lol I don't think they'd sacrifice the OS X to promote the best iPads they ever created.

Instead, I'd say that Mac-iPP combination would be the best in the end.

 

[Wahlstrm]

I picked up the Lightning to USB-C cable and the 29 watt USB-C charger. 1.5 hrs tops to go from below 10% to full charge on my IPP 12.9 happy as a clam! That charger also seems to charge the iPhone 6s Plus faster too...

That's the one they should include in the Box.

 

[richinaus]

I regularly attained 13-14 hours of heavy usage on my iPad 4. Battery life was insane. Probably one of the reasons for the dramatic design change with the Air 1... to bring it back down into the 10 hour range.

The current 12.9 iPad Pro is a beast... performance-wise and size-wise. The glaring weak spot is the current state of iOS. I can't believe how easily I've been able to modify some of my workflows to be able to use it BETTER and MORE EFFICIENTLY than with my Macbook Air. But the more I rely on the iPP than on the MBA, the issues and limitations with iOS become more evident.

My irritation with it is growing... mostly of the "this thing is so close, come on Apple and seal the deal!" variety. I was disappointed by the lack of ANY announcements at WWDC of iPad-centric iOS enhancements.

TL;DR: Although there may need to be some additions (like 3D touch) to the hardware, the greater update need is software in general, iOS in particular.

I 100% agree with this. The more I use he iPad Pro 12.9 the more I wish iOS was more suited to it.

Now I treat it as a desktop companion and likely to get a MacBook shortly as my mobile computer [this tablet doesn't do it for me]

 

[oldmacs]

Given that you've successfully lived with an iPad 2 this whole time, even an iPad Air 2 would be a solid, long-term upgrade for you.

The Air 2 is already well into its life cycle, the reason people got so far with the iPad 2 was because they bought them at the beginning of the cycle. Buying an iPad Air 2 now is like buying an iPad 2 in 2013, then getting 3 years out of it (and the last 1.5 years being very slow performance wise).

 

[NICKXXXXXX]

We have a proper iPad. It's been out for years.

If you want a Surface get one. The iPad is not a surface.

That poster probably misspoke. I agree with the sentiment that some of us need a proper "Pro" iPad. I have extensive first-hand experience with Surface devices. Nifty netbooks/ultrabooks that make poor tablets. I've said it before, the Surface is not the pinnacle of a converged 2-in-1 device. Slapping a touch interface onto a desktop OS is not optimal. Apple can do a much better and more intelligent job of reaching a point of convergence. The iPad Pro is not there yet, but it is close and Apple can make it closer.

What I meant is that I wanna be able to do REALLY BASIC STUFF like use torrenting for e.g. Or be able to download zip files from the internet and open them. Also being able to add music not from Itunes to my iTunes. Stuff like that.

 

[M. Gustave]

What I meant is that I wanna be able to do REALLY BASIC STUFF like use torrenting for e.g. Or be able to download zip files from the internet and open them. Also being able to add music not from Itunes to my iTunes. Stuff like that.

You can open zip files with Goodreader, I believe. And you can add your ripped music files by syncing with the desktop iTunes, or stream by joining Apple Music, Spotify, or Google Play, and matching/uploading your songs.

 

[Fuzzball84]

I just took the plunge and bought an iPad Pro 9.7 32 GB from best buy using a $100 student discount. Coming from an iPad air 2 with 16 GB (storage was just beginning to get too limiting considering I now want to store a few movies while on the move). Really happy with it but at the same time wondering what will happen to the iPad pros when the new iPhone comes with an A10 this Fall.

I suspect the iPad Pros will not be too far behind the A10 in the iPhones... but if they come at the same time it will be like the entire range of MacBooks and iPads plus watch being upgraded this fall!

Also, what do people thing regarding on apple care + for my iPad pro considering it cost me only $550 (includes tax)? I bought the protection for $99 but Ive never actually bought apple care on an iPad before, only macbook and my phones and watch. I'm pondering whether I really need it, what do you guys think? FYI, I still have an original iPad running in perfect condition, and never had a problem with my air 2...

 

[M. Gustave]

Also, what do people thing regarding on apple care + for my iPad pro considering it cost me only $550 (includes tax)? I bought the protection for $99

I always think if those insurance type things truly worked out in the consumer's favor, companies wouldn't sell them. Apple is probably better than most, but with the deductible, you're in for at least $235 if there's a problem. (or whatever the current deductible is)

The agreement also leaves pretty much everything up to their discretion, if you read it.

 

[masotime]

What I meant is that I wanna be able to do REALLY BASIC STUFF like use torrenting for e.g. Or be able to download zip files from the internet and open them. Also being able to add music not from Itunes to my iTunes. Stuff like that.

1. Assuming that you're not referring to anything illegal, "torrenting" is not "BASIC STUFF". The vast majority of people don't "torrent" - it's a non-traditional form of file transfer that isn't intuitive for casual media consumption by non-techies.
2. Use Documents or FileBrowser to download and manage files.
3. Use nPlayer or Infuse to play almost any format of third-party music / movies without going through iTunes.

 

[Fuzzball84]

I always think if those insurance type things truly worked out in the consumer's favor, companies wouldn't sell them. Apple is probably better than most, but with the deductible, you're in for at least $235 if there's a problem. (or whatever the current deductible is)

The agreement also leaves pretty much everything up to their discretion, if you read it.

I think the costs are zero for manufacturing defects and around 50 dollars to replace the iPad due to accidental damage. Thats for two years of coverage. For what its worth, apple are always great about fixing or replacing a product. I got my original iPad replaced near the end of the first year warranty - it turned out to be a software issue that was fixed in an update two weeks later! I was surprised how easily they just gave me a new iPad.

 

[M. Gustave]

I think the costs are zero for manufacturing defects and around 50 dollars to replace the iPad due to accidental damage. Thats for two years of coverage.

It's a $99 deductible for iPad, plus your original $99.

 

[masotime]

It's a $99 deductible for iPad, plus your original $99.

$49 for iPads. Interestingly it is a variable cost for iPhones now, but generally you get better value for money for iPad AppleCare+ than iPhone AppleCare+, which I assume is attributed to how people use their iPhones more than their iPads and are thus more likely to get accidentally damanged.

I use my iPads far more than my iPhones, so it works very much in my favor

 

[M. Gustave]

$49 for iPads. Interestingly it is a variable cost for iPhones now, but generally you get better value for money for iPad AppleCare+ than iPhone AppleCare+, which I assume is attributed to how people use their iPhones more than their iPads and are thus more likely to get accidentally damanged.

I use my iPads far more than my iPhones, so it works very much in my favor

I stand corrected, thanks. I guess the $99 I saw was only for the iPhone.