So are we seriously gonna start browsing the phone while showering??? [MERGED]

[Andropov]

The Apple Watch 1 was also only water resistant (IPX7), in fact just as resistant to water as the iPhone 7 as the second digit is what refers to waterproofing capabilities, and several members of this forums regularly swam with it with no problem. Also, the Apple Watch 1 was supposed to be able to go in the shower without a problem (Tim Cook himself said he always went to the shower with it) and the iPhone 7 has the same rating, so I highly doubt that it would suffer any harm without even being exposed directly to the water streams.

And although I wouldn't put it under a water stream, but even IP66 (the immediately lower rating) states that: EDIT: As someone stated before IP ratings are not accumulative beyond 6, so immersion protection doesn't necessarily mean presurized water protection.

"Water projected in powerful jets (12.5 mm nozzle) against the enclosure from any direction shall have no harmful effects. Water volume: 100 litres per minute. Pressure: 100 kPa at distance of 3 m. Duration: 1 minute per square foot, from a minimum of 3 minutes."

And IP67 should withstand 30 minutes under 1m of water without any water entering the enclosure.

So shower is probably ok for the iPhone 7. However, let's wait for iFixit to tear it down and we will get a better idea of how well protected it is. With the Apple Watch some independent people tested it in labs under 50+ m water pressures with no problem, so again Apple might just be covering his back as some people will push the "water resistance" very far from its IP67 specification and there's no way to prove in which conditions the iPhone got water-damaged.

TL;DR Shower is perfectly fine, but try to put the iPhone away from water streams.

 

[jediuia]

You guys don't get apple care +? You can leave it in a pool for a week and get it replaced. Yes they will charge the $75 fee or whatever it is now, but so worth it. Ive saved probably thousands over the years; i always get my phone or my wife's replaced at least once every 6 months due to "accidents".

Once, i left my iphone on my wife's bumper while playing with the kids. Next thing you know its a mile down the street, ran over at high speeds by several cars. Apple genuis said he never saw a phone so destroyed, but i walked out with a new phone. He probably thought i was a YouTuber that likes to destroy phones...

Anyway, its worth it if you worry about water or any other kind of damage. Having kids that like to use your phone to play Pokémon Go is reason enough. They need to make a gps enabled ipod touch, please.....

 

[onepoint]

You guys don't get apple care +? You can leave it in a pool for a week and get it replaced. Yes they will charge the $75 fee or whatever it is now, but so worth it. Ive saved probably thousands over the years; i always get my phone or my wife's replaced at least once every 6 months due to "accidents".

Once, i left my iphone on my wife's bumper while playing with the kids. Next thing you know its a mile down the street, ran over at high speeds by several cars. Apple genuis said he never saw a phone so destroyed, but i walked out with a new phone. He probably thought i was a YouTuber that likes to destroy phones...

Anyway, its worth it if you worry about water or any other kind of damage. Having kids that like to use your phone to play Pokémon Go is reason enough. They need to make a gps enabled ipod touch, please.....

$99 for full replacement, $29 for screen replacement under new guidelines I believe - twice per year

 

[The Game 161]

Anyway excited about opportunity to listed to music or podcasts in the shower? Can also use the front camera to help shave in the shower. No more foggy mirrors!

Sure can

 

[willmtaylor]

Anyway excited about opportunity to listed to music or podcasts in the shower? Can also use the front camera to help shave in the shower. No more foggy mirrors!

Or you could, ya know, spend $10-$30 on a fog free mirror on Amazon and not risk your $700-$900 electronics device for such a menial task.

But whatever you want to do. Not my circus; not my monkeys.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

Good luck with that. If you ruin your phone and Apple refuses to replace it due to water damage (which they've clearly stated that the warranty will not cover), then that's going to be a pretty expensive replacement for a mirror in your shower.

I really don't think the iP7 is intended for daily shower use and I certainly wouldn't be getting it wet INTENTIONALLY. Yes, it will probably be fine if it gets a little wet here and there, but I personally wouldn't push it by regularly immersing it in water. Just my $.02

Why would you be worried about getting it wet if it's water resistant?

 

[willmtaylor]

Why would you be worried about getting it wet if it's water resistant?

Bc it's "resistant" not "water proof." Additionally, water damage isn't covered under warranty.

How hard is it to understand that this is a safety measure for accidents and not a license to live like Kevin Costner in Water World?

 

[Armen]

Its not a rubber "Ducky"....

 

[onepoint]

I think the bottom line here is that shower use shouldn't be a problem, assuming things don't get too steamy, and the phone isn't subject to a constant stream of water (e.g., it's sitting on a ledge or shelf, out of the way).

It would be no different than the phone sitting poolside, unless you guys take very different showers than I do

 

[Bobby Corwen]

Bc it's "resistant" not "water proof." Additionally, water damage isn't covered under warranty.

So if it is resistant to water, why would you be afraid of getting water damage?

How can water get inside if it is designed to resist water getting inside?

Waterproof and water resistant mean the same thing; --that water cant get inside.

 

[willmtaylor]

So if it is resistant to water, why would you be afraid of getting water damage?

How can water get inside if it is designed to resist water getting inside?

Waterproof and water resistant mean the same thing; --that water cant get inside.

Hahaha, uhm...no.

"_____-proof" is a marketing term and actually a misnomer. Much like "all natural," it isn't regulated and is thus meaningless.

"________-resistance" is measured by a quantifiable system of measurement and rating system. There are standards and regulations in place. Hence, my quote above from CNET.

Do a little research.

 

[Steve686]

I know I read it somewhere as well but how can they advertise it as water resistant up to the rating including showers (but not in the direct jet stream) and even have water splashing it in the video and photos of the matte black sitting in a puddle....yet they won't honor the warranty on simple water damage?? sounds fishy.

1. Your shower produces a water pressure higher than the pressure of standing water 1 meter deep and can force water into and beyond the 'water RESISTING' gaskets.

2. The heat in a shower changes the resistance properties and IP ratings are determined at 'room temperature'.

My Apple Watch was used in the shower by myself daily and it failed after 3-4 months without me holding it in the direct shower stream.

So if it is resistant to water, why would you be afraid of getting water damage?

How can water get inside if it is designed to resist water getting inside?

Waterproof and water resistant mean the same thing; --that water cant get inside.

Bulletproof vests only resist rounds to a rated mass x velocity but are still generally called...bulletproof.

 

[andyp350]

I use my 6S in the shower all the time to read messages, change songs etc and it's never caused it any damage do id assume this would be even less risky with the 7. Maybe I'm just lucky!

 

[Armen]

Bulletproof vests only resist rounds to a rated mass x velocity but are still generally called...bulletproof.

Kind of hard to file a claim if it's not bulletproof

 

[Bobby Corwen]

Hahaha, uhm...no.

"_____-proof" is a marketing term and actually a misnomer. Much like "all natural," it isn't regulated and is thus meaningless.

"________-resistance" is measured by a quantifiable system of measurement and rating system. There are standards and regulations in place. Hence, my quote above from CNET.

Do a little research.

Human language is always evolving.

Waterproof is actually a form of slang for water resistant.

It doesn't matter what you think the definition is, language is organic and supersedes technical definitions on mere merit of common use.

More people say waterproof when they mean water resistant than actually saying "water resistant" so the terms are interchangeable.

There is no such thing as 100% waterproof.

Waterproof means water resistant.

If you understood this rule about language and slangs you would not have tried to correct my use of waterproof.

In fact I used it on purpose to teach you a lesson and you fell into my trap.
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1. Your shower produces a water pressure higher than the pressure of standing water 1 meter deep and can force water into and beyond the 'water RESISTING' gaskets.

2. The heat in a shower changes the resistance properties and IP ratings are determined at 'room temperature'.

My Apple Watch was used in the shower by myself daily and it failed after 3-4 months without me holding it in the direct shower stream.


Bulletproof vests only resist rounds to a rated mass x velocity but are still generally called...bulletproof.

So you're saying condensation is way more intense than water itself? Any studies or articles on this?

Or the jet stream itself?

Can condensation just ghost itself inside somehow?

How do you know for sure it failed due to showering. Did Apple techs find water damage?

 

[willmtaylor]

Human language is always evolving.

Waterproof is actually a form of slang for water resistant.

It doesn't matter what you think the definition is, language is organic and supersedes technical definitions on mere merit of common use.

More people say waterproof when they mean water resistant than actually saying "water resistant" so the terms are interchangeable.

There is no such thing as 100% waterproof.

Waterproof means water resistant.

If you understood this rule about language and slangs you would not have tried to correct my use of waterproof.

In fact I used it on purpose to teach you a lesson and you fell into my trap.

Hahaha. Bobby, you're always good for a laugh. Seriously, you almost made me spit out my coffee. Great stuff.

Glad you took my advice and did a little digging. Though, no need to save face by lying and claiming to be "testing" or "teaching" about "slangs[sic]" via a trap.

I'm fairly familiar with language, but the purpose of language is to effectively communicate. What you were doing was obfuscating true ideas with confusing connotations. I merely sought to clarify.

I think the issue is that you're just living in...wait for it...

 

[Steve.P.JobsFan]

or use a space heater while taking a shower with the vent fan on. No more mirrors and no more shrinking testies because the bathroom is nice and warm when you get out of the shower!

Never thought I'd learn how to keep my testicles from shrinking when I get out of the shower on MacRumors of all sites...

 

[BorderingOn]

Hahaha, uhm...no.

"_____-proof" is a marketing term and actually a misnomer. Much like "all natural," it isn't regulated and is thus meaningless.

"________-resistance" is measured by a quantifiable system of measurement and rating system. There are standards and regulations in place. Hence, my quote above from CNET.

Do a little research.

There are waterproof things. They are likely filled with epoxy or have permanent seals. This does not describe the iPhone.

 

[RPrice]

My Apple Watch has the same rating. I've showered with it and swam with it.
Never had a problem. But I also have apple care for the watch. I don't think I'll swim with the iPhone but I doubt the shower will kill it.

 

[willmtaylor]

There are waterproof things. They are likely filled with epoxy or have permanent seals. This does not describe the iPhone.

I understand that, but for me, if anyone can use a term to describe anything, said term is meaningless. One must rely on other factors at that point.

 

[BorderingOn]

Seems like people are reading into the ratings too much. Take a step back and consider the intent. The first AW and the iPhone 7 seem designed to protect against occasional unintentional exposure to moisture. The new AW is designed for some degree of intentional exposure like swimming but not scuba.

 

[Steve686]

Human language is always evolving.

Waterproof is actually a form of slang for water resistant.

It doesn't matter what you think the definition is, language is organic and supersedes technical definitions on mere merit of common use.

More people say waterproof when they mean water resistant than actually saying "water resistant" so the terms are interchangeable.

There is no such thing as 100% waterproof.

Waterproof means water resistant.

If you understood this rule about language and slangs you would not have tried to correct my use of waterproof.

In fact I used it on purpose to teach you a lesson and you fell into my trap.
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So you're saying condensation is way more intense than water itself? Any studies or articles on this?

Or the jet stream itself?

Can condensation just ghost itself inside somehow?

How do you know for sure it failed due to showering. Did Apple techs find water damage?

Heat creates a molecular reaction on whatever it touches. Ever go from an air conditioned room to outside while it's hot and humid? Condensation has a way of getting into many things.

Condensation in a shower can degrade the water resisting properties of any electronic device. Did I say 'way more intense'?

The Genius Bar confirmed water damage and the only time my Watch got wet was during showering. Assuming I didn't use my heroin needle to inject water inside the watch, showering is where the water ingressed.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

I understand that, but for me, if anyone can use a term to describe anything, said term is meaningless. One must rely on other factors at that point.

Heres a common link to an instance where you can see the term used in pop culture.

Wal Mart "Waterproof" watches has its own section. https://www.walmart.com/c/kp/waterproof-watches

The term "water resistant" was actually only used more recently in the history of our language due to legal reasons cropping up over time.

Back in the day people used to say waterproof exclusively when referring to anything from watches to raincoats.

The term water resistant is actually very young.

So for you to act like people cant say waterproof interchangeably with water resistant is innacurate.

 

[gsmornot]

My thought on this is keep the phone as dry as often as possible. The waterproof rating is used for accidentally getting it wet and surviving the incident. I don't plan to purposely expose it to water.

 

[Steve686]

Good lord. In Apple's own language, not Walmart's.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205000