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I am not disappointed. There are unreleased details. There is a letter to the FCC from Apple saying that there are features not disclosed to the public yet and should not be shown until the 11th of July.

Linky linky!
 
I'm pretty sure that's just stuff that you would be able to see by taking it apart. After July 11, it would be pointless to keep it confidential because a competitor can simply disassemble the phone.
 
I'm pretty sure that's just stuff that you would be able to see by taking it apart. After July 11, it would be pointless to keep it confidential because a competitor can simply disassemble the phone.

Except one of the things specifically listed in Apple's request is "external photographs" of the product.
 
I'm pretty sure that's just stuff that you would be able to see by taking it apart. After July 11, it would be pointless to keep it confidential because a competitor can simply disassemble the phone.

Then why would they hold back the manual and the external photos?
 
Thats what I don't get. ^ Why the manual? They have front facing pics on apple webiste too and they showed a very "in depth" pic of the front at the keynote yesterday...
 
Thats what I don't get. ^ Why the manual? They have front facing pics on apple webiste too and they showed a very "in depth" pic of the front at the keynote yesterday...

Its like when the original iPhone was first announced they never showed the YouTube app, that was released later... This will be just like that.

The fact they held back the manual and the external photos proves that there is something we havent seen yet.
 
Hey, powerfull mac. Whenever you post a link to the FCC thing (I assume) it doesn't work. I even clicked on your "what is steve hiding" and it doesn't work either.......

edit: nvr it was me sry
 
Pleased with the new features that bring it up to smartphone standards.


Disappointed with raise in price, lack of flash, video recording, copy/paste, and customizable keyboard since the current one still sucks.
 
Its like when the original iPhone was first announced they never showed the YouTube app, that was released later... This will be just like that.

The fact they held back the manual and the external photos proves that there is something we havent seen yet.

Good point. The manual could show how to use another feature that wasn't announced.

But I still don't get hiding the external photos...:confused:
 
I don't think so. That would have been a big "And one more thing..."

Why would they not announce it? How would that give competition an advantage?

True... Well there is definatly something Apple dosent want us to see on that iPhone, so we will just have to wait and see.

You got any suggestions?
 
Here is my I am pissed off and feel totally let down by Steve Jobs and the new iPhone 2.0 firmware. What the hell, I wait all this time for apple to release the new 3G iPhone and the 2.0 firmware to go with it for nothing. I distinctly remember apple saying that, oh not to worry iPhone owners we hear what you want your iPhone to do, and all this can EASILY be accomplished by software updates. I some how have a hard time believing that WANTING THE iPHONE TO SEND/RECEIVE MMS, AND RECORD VIDEO was not at the top of the request list. I mean hell practically every phone but the iPhone does that, and they didn't even throw that into the 2.0 firmware. COME ON APPLE!!! Now yes I know the work around with the MMS regarding picture messages, but still nothing is done with the video. I pray to god that someone develops an app that I can at least get through the app store, so that my iPhone can do these simple tasks. Fully disappointed with WWDC 2008!!!
 
Hidden Features

Another thing missing from this unveiling, is a guided tour on the apple website. I know that it is not a completely new product so there may not be a need, but to me the lack of a tour for software 2.0, and the fact that the old one has been removed seems to suggest that they should have one. Also since mobileme has a guided tour, and it will be released at the same time, I can't help feeling that this lack of online tour is apple hiding certain features at the moment.
 
Another thing missing from this unveiling, is a guided tour on the apple website. I know that it is not a completely new product so there may not be a need, but to me the lack of a tour for software 2.0, and the fact that the old one has been removed seems to suggest that they should have one. Also since mobileme has a guided tour, and it will be released at the same time, I can't help feeling that this lack of online tour is apple hiding certain features at the moment.

Yup.

Also I just got a e-mail from Apple about the new iPhone and they had the following small print on the bottom: Product specifications are subject to change.
 
True... Well there is definatly something Apple dosent want us to see on that iPhone, so we will just have to wait and see.

You got any suggestions?

I really can't think of anything.

Well, I mean I can think of a lot of things....mms, copy/paste, front camera, browser flash support, faster processor, notes syncing, video recording, louder speaker, voice dialing/commands, flash for the camera, etc.

Some of those can be fixed via software updates and 3rd party software, so I wouldn't think they would fit. Whatever it is seems like it would be hardware related. FM Radio? XM/Sirius radio? haha...I don't know.

The question is, what would Apple not want people to know? What would give competitors an advantage knowing that it's in the phone before it's released? You figure that out and you might have your answer.

EDIT: Of the list I mention here, the only thing I really want is a louder speaker so I can actually hear it ring. But I'm totally satisfied with my current iPhone...especially knowing 2.0 software is coming out.
 
Whilst other phones do have video recording, its not exactly a make or break feature. It would be nice to be able to record a video and upload it to youtube on the fly.

Other than that its sweet, and I can't wait for it, and I hope they have enough when I go to queue up on iDay.
 
The real question is, how often do you ask yourself, "Where the ***** am I".

lol,, when im driving downtown this happens to me..hmmmm lets just say wayyy too often,, that's why i had to get a tomtom,, now i can give my mom my tom tom and my dad my old iphone.....yesss
 
I really don't understand all the clamoring for Flash(adobe). I'd much rather have a flash on the camera than support a closed format that is so unoptimized that every flash website you go to sends a desktop PC directly to 100% CPU usage and fans blazing on a laptop/SFF desktop. You really want to enable that functionality on your phone? If apple EVER supports flash, you better hope there's a way to disable it or your battery life will be gone in 30 minutes of web browsing. Sure being able to see homestarrunner.com on my iPhone would be cool, but how cool could it be if it drains your battery that fast. Most of the flash animations I come across on the web are advertisements anyhow and I for one am perfectly happy with the iPhone not showing those.
 
I really don't understand all the clamoring for Flash(adobe). I'd much rather have a flash on the camera than support a closed format that is so unoptimized that every flash website you go to sends a desktop PC directly to 100% CPU usage and fans blazing on a laptop/SFF desktop. You really want to enable that functionality on your phone? If apple EVER supports flash, you better hope there's a way to disable it or your battery life will be gone in 30 minutes of web browsing. Sure being able to see homestarrunner.com on my iPhone would be cool, but how cool could it be if it drains your battery that fast. Most of the flash animations I come across on the web are advertisements anyhow and I for one am perfectly happy with the iPhone not showing those.

+1

The only good things I've ever seen flash used for were to stream video and to make stupid cartoons that are funny when you're high.

It's neat for art/animations, but when it comes to the web...content is king. You can do enough with html, css and javscript that I don't understand why anyone really uses flash on a webpage? It just slows things down and makes you install a stupid plug-in to be able to view it.
 
Yup.

Also I just got a e-mail from Apple about the new iPhone and they had the following small print on the bottom: Product specifications are subject to change.

We can hope this is actually going to be used. At least we know with high probability that the firmware, and the software will get a change from what has been shown at the keynote. Has the general press actually had *any* hands on time with the 3G iPhone? I haven't heard they have, which indicates a preview, which leans towards possible changes (Apple love the trickle feed, and what better than bettering what was shown at the keynote, or going "ooops, didn't we say x,y,z at the keynote? ooopsies")

(e.g. The nuvifone does Panoramio mode on Google maps apparently.)

kuckiemonsta - hope you know a bit more about GPS now. A-GPS has GPS. There are multiple sorts, and so different A-GPS chips can be used differently, the same A-GPS can be used differently. No need to to use *. (No flaming, but if anyone wants a primer, try here

It sucks for people who sold their iPhones, knowing that we who have not will most likely get the "assited GPS" in the 2.0 upgrade, since its not a hardware, but a software change. The only real difference is 3G and that can be remedied.

Seeing as the teardowns don't show a GPS chip in the v1's, the v1's will only get GPS by an add-on GPS dongle or GPS enabled dock (for the car lets say). v1 iPhone's dont have GPS hardware inside.

To be honest, I haven't seen that much discussion of the breakdown of say the top 10 models with A-GPS in (Nokia N95 sold more last quarter than all the iPhones worldwide I believe, and it has A-GPS, so there's a starting handset to more closely inspect). I'm not a GPS expert, but I can read. Surely there is some more info out there on the state of A-GPS to help us out?

(I went through a summary of some of the previous GPS threads on here a bit on thispost, if anyone's interested, or wants to add more links to that thread).

To quote http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/gps.html

"Get a fast fix on your location."
"Track your progress as you go."

A-GPS definition "GPS...technology uses information from earth-orbiting satellites to find locations. A receiver estimates the distance to GPS satellites based on the time it takes for signals to reach it, then uses that information to identify its location. But the A-GPS (Assisted GPS) solution on iPhone 3G goes a step further, using a unique approach to find the closest satellites and more quickly identify your position. That gives you a faster fix on your location than with regular GPS."

More than GPS "In addition to A-GPS, iPhone 3G uses signals from GPS satellites, Wi-Fi hot spots, and cellular towers to get the most accurate location fast. If GPS is available, iPhone displays a blue GPS indicator. But if you’re inside — without a clear line of sight to a GPS satellite — iPhone finds you via Wi-Fi. If you’re not in range of a Wi-Fi hot spot, iPhone finds you using cellular towers. And the size of a location circle tells you how accurately iPhone is able to calculate that location: The smaller the circle, the more accurate the location."

Route/near turn by turn "Maps on iPhone 3G use GPS to help you get from point A to point B. Find a location, get directions, and, if you like, follow your progress along a highlighted route with live GPS tracking."

Use for apps "iPhone 3G provides GPS-powered location feeds to built-in applications as well as to applications available on the App Store. Take a photo with the camera, for example, and iPhone can geotag it with GPS location information. That way, when you share photos online, friends and family can see where every snapshot was taken. And you can shop the App Store for GPS-enabled applications such as mobile friend finders or interactive city guides. Learn more"

Battery "GPS on iPhone is active only when you need it. iPhone powers the GPS unit on and off quickly and automatically, so it won’t adversely affect battery life"

http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/maps.html clearly shows Google Maps, with their traffic feeds etc. http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/maps.html has a video if you want to watch.


Points of Interest
iPhone 3G finds your location via GPS or by triangulating your position using Wi-Fi and cellular towers. It also finds points of interest by keyword: Search for “coffee” and iPhone shows you every cafe nearby
Not that many non-Satnav users will have heard of POI before. Same goes with "the cloud" and SaaS, (or even Microsoft Exchange 2007 perhaps ;) )

Apple is saying it's turn-by-turn directions:
Get directions to wherever from wherever. View turn-by-turn directions or watch your progress with live GPS tracking.
Note that Apple hasn't even mentioned that you might be able to do Street View and do navigation that way, using polling the GPS that way. So Apple does have a few things left to talk about.
(e.g. The nuvifone does Panoramio mode on Google maps apparently.)

(Otherwise, why not include in this paragraph? "Just like Google Maps on your computer, Maps on iPhone lets you switch between map view, satellite view, and a hybrid view of both. Multi-Touch makes the difference: Tap to zoom, pan, and change your view on the move."


If you don't want to fork out on TomTom

(GPS as aftermarket/addon pros and cons here)
(As this blog points out in a quick look at the 3G iPhone wrt GPS, TomTom Navigator 6 is $149.95 currently)

or other software, Google will now five you entry level live traffic information, with a traffic light colouring - simple, effective, indicating traffic speed along your route. Whilst Google might not dynamically reroute, or give voice turn by turns currently, it isn't too far a fetch to say the drag and change the route (adding a waypoint effectively at where the user touches) ala Google Maps on a desktop could come soon too. A nüvi 770 - is 4.5 inches. Apple iPhone is 3.5inches. So it might be smaller than a best seller, but it doesn't have the smallest GPS screen on the block. Heck , it matches the screen size of the Garmin StreetPilot c330 i ("a groundbreaking product" in 2005).
The Garmin nuvifone is looking dated before even coming out!

Screen sizes of the nuvis pretty much (bar the Nuvi 5000) are either 3.5 inches or 4.3 inches as shown here

nuvi 200 is nuvi ~ $150 (Halfords had a sale on GPS just before WWDC, coincidence?)
Nuvifone does have some useful features as per Garmin, but if you exclude Google functions, it's primitive. The link shows the nuvifone also has the same size screen as the iPhone. as shown here. Ships in the 3rd quarter (as does 3G iPhone). Pricing?

"According to an online survey, gauging customer interest in the combination GPS/HSDPA/touchscreen handset, AT&T are considering a price of $499.99 with a 2-year contract, together with a mandatory $19.99 unlimited data & navigation plan and a standard voice tariff." Cheapest voice plan on offer is $39.99." Ouch.


For those who can't find their own (you know what), it even has a "Where am I?" feature to display the exact latitude and longitude coordinates, the nearest address and intersection, and the closest hospitals, police stations and gas stations. And if the enemy is over-running your defense lines you can call in the broken arrow air strike right on top of your position.
video

App Store by Garmin? Unless it's running Android, I doubt it'll match up.

Presumably access to 3G, towers and wifi will help with initial satellite lock, as almanac information could be pre-cached, or got from non-GPS sources?

3G iPhone could 0wn better proper GPS SatNavs - just look at what teh Nuvifone looks like compared to the iPhone. Push email coming to Garmin? ;)

Disappointed? Disappointed? Geeez

Article From October 2007:
Wants:
1. HDTV
2. Windows notebook - CAN DO
3. Digital camera - 2 MPxl
4. Windows desktop computer - CAN DO
5. GPS navigation - TICK
6. Cell phone - YUP
7. Digital video camera - POSSIBLE FLIP QUALITY
8. Nintendo Wii - HANDHELD GAMES
9. Sony PS3
10. HD DVD or Blu-ray player (Apple? Blu-ray? :D)

Maybe a cheap oil finder will be #1 app on July 11. It ain't going down folks.
 

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We can hope this is actually going to be used. At least we know with high probability that the firmware, and the software will get a change from what has been shown at the keynote. Has the general press actually had *any* hands on time with the 3G iPhone? I haven't heard they have, which indicates a preview, which leans towards possible changes (Apple love the trickle feed, and what better than bettering what was shown at the keynote, or going "ooops, didn't we say x,y,z at the keynote? ooopsies")

(e.g. The nuvifone does Panoramio mode on Google maps apparently.)

kuckiemonsta - hope you know a bit more about GPS now. A-GPS has GPS. There are multiple sorts, and so different A-GPS chips can be used differently, the same A-GPS can be used differently. No need to to use *. (No flaming, but if anyone wants a primer, try here



Seeing as the teardowns don't show a GPS chip in the v1's, the v1's will only get GPS by an add-on GPS dongle or GPS enabled dock (for the car lets say). v1 iPhone's dont have GPS hardware inside.

To be honest, I haven't seen that much discussion of the breakdown of say the top 10 models with A-GPS in (Nokia N95 sold more last quarter than all the iPhones worldwide I believe, and it has A-GPS, so there's a starting handset to more closely inspect). I'm not a GPS expert, but I can read. Surely there is some more info out there on the state of A-GPS to help us out?

(I went through a summary of some of the previous GPS threads on here a bit on thispost, if anyone's interested, or wants to add more links to that thread).

To quote http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/gps.html

"Get a fast fix on your location."
"Track your progress as you go."

A-GPS definition "GPS...technology uses information from earth-orbiting satellites to find locations. A receiver estimates the distance to GPS satellites based on the time it takes for signals to reach it, then uses that information to identify its location. But the A-GPS (Assisted GPS) solution on iPhone 3G goes a step further, using a unique approach to find the closest satellites and more quickly identify your position. That gives you a faster fix on your location than with regular GPS."

More than GPS "In addition to A-GPS, iPhone 3G uses signals from GPS satellites, Wi-Fi hot spots, and cellular towers to get the most accurate location fast. If GPS is available, iPhone displays a blue GPS indicator. But if you’re inside — without a clear line of sight to a GPS satellite — iPhone finds you via Wi-Fi. If you’re not in range of a Wi-Fi hot spot, iPhone finds you using cellular towers. And the size of a location circle tells you how accurately iPhone is able to calculate that location: The smaller the circle, the more accurate the location."

Route/near turn by turn "Maps on iPhone 3G use GPS to help you get from point A to point B. Find a location, get directions, and, if you like, follow your progress along a highlighted route with live GPS tracking."

Use for apps "iPhone 3G provides GPS-powered location feeds to built-in applications as well as to applications available on the App Store. Take a photo with the camera, for example, and iPhone can geotag it with GPS location information. That way, when you share photos online, friends and family can see where every snapshot was taken. And you can shop the App Store for GPS-enabled applications such as mobile friend finders or interactive city guides. Learn more"

Battery "GPS on iPhone is active only when you need it. iPhone powers the GPS unit on and off quickly and automatically, so it won’t adversely affect battery life"

http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/maps.html clearly shows Google Maps, with their traffic feeds etc. http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/maps.html has a video if you want to watch.


Points of Interest
Not that many non-Satnav users will have heard of POI before. Same goes with "the cloud" and SaaS, (or even Microsoft Exchange 2007 perhaps ;) )

Apple is saying it's turn-by-turn directions:

Note that Apple hasn't even mentioned that you might be able to do Street View and do navigation that way, using polling the GPS that way. So Apple does have a few things left to talk about.
(e.g. The nuvifone does Panoramio mode on Google maps apparently.)

(Otherwise, why not include in this paragraph? "Just like Google Maps on your computer, Maps on iPhone lets you switch between map view, satellite view, and a hybrid view of both. Multi-Touch makes the difference: Tap to zoom, pan, and change your view on the move."


If you don't want to fork out on TomTom

(GPS as aftermarket/addon pros and cons here)
(As this blog points out in a quick look at the 3G iPhone wrt GPS, TomTom Navigator 6 is $149.95 currently)

or other software, Google will now five you entry level live traffic information, with a traffic light colouring - simple, effective, indicating traffic speed along your route. Whilst Google might not dynamically reroute, or give voice turn by turns currently, it isn't too far a fetch to say the drag and change the route (adding a waypoint effectively at where the user touches) ala Google Maps on a desktop could come soon too. A nüvi 770 - is 4.5 inches. Apple iPhone is 3.5inches. So it might be smaller than a best seller, but it doesn't have the smallest GPS screen on the block. Heck , it matches the screen size of the Garmin StreetPilot c330 i ("a groundbreaking product" in 2005).
The Garmin nuvifone is looking dated before even coming out!

Screen sizes of the nuvis pretty much (bar the Nuvi 5000) are either 3.5 inches or 4.3 inches as shown here

nuvi 200 is nuvi ~ $150 (Halfords had a sale on GPS just before WWDC, coincidence?)
Nuvifone does have some useful features as per Garmin, but if you exclude Google functions, it's primitive. The link shows the nuvifone also has the same size screen as the iPhone. as shown here. Ships in the 3rd quarter (as does 3G iPhone). Pricing?

"According to an online survey, gauging customer interest in the combination GPS/HSDPA/touchscreen handset, AT&T are considering a price of $499.99 with a 2-year contract, together with a mandatory $19.99 unlimited data & navigation plan and a standard voice tariff." Cheapest voice plan on offer is $39.99." Ouch.



video

App Store by Garmin? Unless it's running Android, I doubt it'll match up.

Presumably access to 3G, towers and wifi will help with initial satellite lock, as almanac information could be pre-cached, or got from non-GPS sources?

3G iPhone could 0wn better proper GPS SatNavs - just look at what teh Nuvifone looks like compared to the iPhone. Push email coming to Garmin? ;)

Disappointed? Disappointed? Geeez

Article From October 2007:
Wants:
1. HDTV
2. Windows notebook - CAN DO
3. Digital camera - 2 MPxl
4. Windows desktop computer - CAN DO
5. GPS navigation - TICK
6. Cell phone - YUP
7. Digital video camera - POSSIBLE FLIP QUALITY
8. Nintendo Wii - HANDHELD GAMES
9. Sony PS3
10. HD DVD or Blu-ray player (Apple? Blu-ray? :D)

Maybe a cheap oil finder will be #1 app on July 11. It ain't going down folks.


Some of you are really dreaming if you think they will "add" things before the 11th!
 
blah blah blah

It must have taken you all day to write all that out. Wow.

In regards to the part about Google Maps providing traffic. From my experience, it is NEVER right.

I'll see green on the road and I'll be sitting still on the interstate for an hour. Or it will show red and I'll be flying along at 70mph.

Maybe it's just my city, but I've stopped looking at it and just turned it off because it makes the maps load slower.
 
Some of you are really dreaming if you think they will "add" things before the 11th!

Amen, I believe they are the iPhone fanboys/girls that will never be able to understand that the iPhone is a great phone, but still doesn't compare to the other when it comes to useful features.

The UI is unbeatable, but other than that... :rolleyes:
 
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