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So this finally happened. Sort of...

domleg said:
Created an account after years of lurking just to say thank you. I'm writing this on a imac g3 500mhz 384mb ram 10.4.11 and it's definitely the best browsing experience I ever had on this configuaration. I tried InterWebPPC, optimisations like PEP etc and it's all been too frustratingly slow to use, now websites like this forum are perfectly managable. Again, thanks.
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Agreed. Thank you @wicknix . TFF was always unusable on my early G4 without boxes; InterwebPPC felt like a TFF box; Arctic Fox feels pretty much as fast as an InterwebPPC box. I've never had the audacity to have multiple tabs open before! And posting to Macrumors here from the G4 isn't as much of a pain anymore.
 
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Cool. Glad it's useful, even in its unfinished state. If your G4's really struggle give RetroZilla a shot. It still renders an amazing amount of sites properly, but not this one. It's really light. I use it all the time on my G4's for general browsing.

Cheers
 
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Just downloaded and installed ArcticFoxPPC.app 27.9.15 on my Sorbet Leopard Mac mini G4 now. I've copied the ArtcitFox folder into ~/Library/Application Support as per the README instruction, started the AF everything works fine no crashes, works fast, etc but the back button doesn't work. Any ideas?
 
aurora72 said:
Just downloaded and installed ArcticFoxPPC.app 27.9.15 on my Sorbet Leopard Mac mini G4 now. I've copied the ArtcitFox folder into ~/Library/Application Support as per the README instruction, started the AF everything works fine no crashes, works fast, etc but the back button doesn't work. Any ideas?
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You've downloaded the old version - latest is 38.9 and I believe the copy the folder hack is not needed.
 
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Dronecatcher said:
You want the 2nd link from here:

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Ops. Yes. I assumed the link on top would be the latest. So I've installed the ArcticFox-38.9 but still there's a problem, however small it might be: The images don't display. Don't know if this kind of problem was mentioned in the 8 pages so far but there you have it:

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The everything2.com website don't even render properly:
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Am I missing something very obvious here or some very basic setting in my Sorbet Leo Mac mini, is just plain wrong, I have no idea at the moment.
 
aurora72 said:
Am I missing something very obvious here or some very basic setting in my Sorbet Leo Mac mini, is just plain wrong, I have no idea at the moment
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By using Sorbet you submit to it's author's choice of what should be screened from the internet by his modified hosts file.
The hosts file will block a lot of unwanted traffic (adverts etc) but it may also block other things you expect to see (like Facebook) - I'm not saying this is the cause here - just a possibility.
FWIW, everything2.com renders correctly on my Powerbook install of AF - did you delete all associated files from the previous install before you installed AF 38.9?
 
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Dronecatcher said:
By using Sorbet you submit to it's author's choice of what should be screened from the internet by his modified hosts file.
The hosts file will block a lot of unwanted traffic (adverts etc) but it may also block other things you expect to see (like Facebook) - I'm not saying this is the cause here - just a possibility.
FWIW, everything2.com renders correctly on my Powerbook install of AF - did you delete all associated files from the previous install before you installed AF 38.9?
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I've deleted all versions of AF, including the ~/Library/Application Support/ArtcticFox reinstalled the AF 38.9 again and this time it worked. It must have been the Little Snitch (version 2.5.3, 2012) which was blocking the AF 38.9 because when I started AF, Little Snatch popped up the permission dialog: ArcticFox-38.9wants to connect to en.wikipedia.orgon TCP port 80 (http). Somehow, its settings must have been messed up. Now it's corrected and it works. Thanks.
 
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There is an updated build now available. Fixed the copy/paste issue and other minor improvements. Still working on baking the new certs in, bare with me, but there is a "drop in" fix in the new download archive. Give it go if you dare. Muwhahahaha.
 
wicknix said:
There is an updated build now available. Fixed the copy/paste issue and other minor improvements. Still working on baking the new certs in, bare with me, but there is a "drop in" fix in the new download archive. Give it go if you dare. Muwhahahaha.
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Hmm.. now the app doesn't even open on my G4. Just quits before I get a window.
 
There was a thread on the main news page asking if Apple should allow a browser to use it's own WebKit. This is the reason why the answer should be a 100% YES. Once Apple quits supporting an OS version, eventually Safari starts to break and every other browser because they all use the same WebKit.

How do you install Arctic Fox? There are 6 files in the folder?
 
wicknix said:
There is an updated build now available. Fixed the copy/paste issue and other minor improvements. Still working on baking the new certs in, bare with me, but there is a "drop in" fix in the new download archive. Give it go if you dare. Muwhahahaha.
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It fails to launch for me as well. Posting here from RZ seems to work well enough, though.
 
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Ok. Lets try this again. There are now 2 builds uploaded. One for Tiger and one for Leopard. If one doesn't work, try the other. They both run on my 10.4 and 10.5 test machines. I even moved /opt/macports-tff/ out of the way when testing. They both launched and according to otool -L all relinks appear to be correct. Fingers crossed.
 
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wicknix said:
Ok. Lets try this again. There are now 2 builds uploaded. One for Tiger and one for Leopard. If one doesn't work, try the other. They both run on my 10.4 and 10.5 test machines. I even moved /opt/macports-tff/ out of the way when testing. They both launched and according to otool -L all relinks appear to be correct. Fingers crossed.
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Working well here on Tiger with my Powerbook G4. I'm about to go to bed now, but I'll do some more testing tomorrow.
 
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Here are more clear instructions to update the certificates until I can bake them in to the app.

To install the new certificates (exported from InterWebPPC) open ArcticFox.
In AF's menu click Preferences. Then Advanced, then Certificates.
Click view certificates. Then click Authorities. Click Import.
Select a certificate from the Certificates folder (that comes with the AF download). Some may already be installed. If that happens just skip to the next certificate. When it asks (see attached photo) click all 3 Trust boxes and hit OK. Repeat for all included certificates.
If by chance the Trust dialog doesn't appear look for the new certificate (View Certificates button). It will show "Software Security Device" to the right rather than "Built-in Object Token". Click edit and select all 3 trust boxes. Repeat the process until all the new imported certificates are trusted. Now you should be able to browse without adding security exceptions.

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Ok. Scratch the last few posts of mine. We now have firefox esr 102 certificates built in!

I'd also like to thank Dr. Kaiser for pointing me in the right direction for updating the built-in certificates. I was going about it the hard way. He hinted to a quicker, easier way. Without his help i never would've figured it out.

Updated download on the garden.

Cheers

Edit: You should probably delete your existing /Users/YourName/Application Support/ArcticFox profile and start fresh for all the updated certs to kick in.
 
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@wicknix great job as usual. I have tried it on iMacG3 Tiger 10.4.11 mint install, following my findings:

PROs:
  • Best speed experience so far On MacOSX (similar to AF on linux)
  • Best cold open speed so far (half time compared to TFF/IW_PPC
  • Best site compatibility
  • It even opens youtube streaming (144p few ffps) without scripts or third party apps
  • No certificates issues with the new version
CONs:
  • App instability: the latest version crashes randomly from time to time (whatever sites) even leaving it open without operations, eventually it crashes.
  • No images on some sites (i.e. www.phoronix.com)
  • No favicons as you detected
The instability was not detected on the previous version (the tiger one), do you still have the file to double check that?
Can it be the fact you now merged (tiger+leopard)?
If you need, I can provide the crash log.

In conclusion ArcticFox also on MacOSX is the best experience so far, I would focus on stabilizing that in the future, rather than TFF/IW_PPC. It gives new life even to G3s.

Well done 👍🏻
 
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I can report provisional tests with AF 38.9 on SL-PPC (Build 10A96). It does load web pages, as expected, so that’s a plus!

The minus: no accessing commands from the menubar is possible, as they are unresponsive. For example, I wanted to show the status bar and hide the bookmarks bar. The status bar has a shortcut key (Cmd-/), so this could be toggled by the keystroke; the bookmark bar lacks a shortcut and so remains put as if nothing happened. Other features accessible only by menubar are equally non-responsive (e.g., “About Arctic Fox…”, etc.).
 
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fra9000 said:
It gives new life even to G3s.
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That was my goal. Don't get me wrong, that's why I did RetroZilla, and it's great for what it is. It just wasn't "new" enough for the general web. I wanted something in between TFF/IWPPC. I think I fixed the instability. I tried to feed it some TFF/IWPPC updates which didn't play nice and gave XUL a memory leak. I reverted those and am currently testing the new build. So far, so good.

The favicons half work. For instance when you bookmark a page they show up in bookmarks / bookmarks bar. Something I need to look in to for browser tabs and search box however.

B S Magnet said:
The minus: no accessing commands from the menubar is possible
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Must be a clouded leopard bug. Lets see what happens on the next build I upload.
 
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New "stable" build uploaded. Please test. I also enabled webrtc with cam support for those who want to experiment with older chat protocols. Also in this build I have pale moons extensions page working again, and they install. Make sure to use the older releases made for v27.
 
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