So what would happen to the average iPhone user who upgraded to the Galaxy S8/+

[mib1800]

well i think a lot stayed with samsung or android after the note 7 nightmare was due to the high amount of offers/deals samsung offered customers in terms of carriers to make people stay.

i suppose android and samsung is different when it comes to battery life and stability. as the Pixel most likely you will find is very smooth and give you great updates like with IOS

that said even last year i was not happy with performance and battery life on my S7 edge so lets not act like things are great in that area. this year? hopefully that has changed. S8 plus for example seems to have better battery life than last years models already

IPhone 7 doesn't have good battery life either. Don't talk about standby time but in usage it is no better.

Updates? Quite ridiculous on iOS. If you don't move to the latest version, you can't update or install new apps from App Store. My iPhone 4 is pretty useless but my s2 is running along fine.

 

[The Game 161]

IPhone 7 doesn't have good battery life either. Don't talk about standby time but in usage it is no better.

Updates? Quite ridiculous on iOS. If you don't move to the latest version, you can't update or install new apps from App Store. My iPhone 4 is pretty useless but my s2 is running along fine.

well yeah I'm talking more about the bigger devices. Generally the smaller devices are bad with battery life across the board.

5.5 inch 7 plus compared to the S7 edge it was a big difference in battery life. Can't say i've had a big issue with software needing to be updated for certain apps but i guess i update my phone when it comes through anyway.

Suppose with the WhatsApp app to allow siri to read messages it needs to be 10.3 so from that i see your point.

 

[mberdych]

It is fairly easy. I tried to get out of Apple world many times, but always got back because:

1) I can easily live without iPhone, but not Macbook. Therefore always coming back because the benefit of iPhone vs Mac connection is not huge, but nice. There is not much point to use just iPhone from Apple world, there are better phones overall.

2) battery life of any android I had (and had many) was always worse (or let's say less consistent) then iOS device.

3) security patches. Apart from Nexus/Pixel and Blackberry, there is no one in Android world delivering security patches consistently. Samsung is trying for his flagship devices, but how long? Sony is trying, but again, nothing for granted. Apple takes care for their devices for years.

4) quality of apps. Most iOS apps are so much better, respecting UI/UX. Looking better and working better. Android apps are looking different, behaving differently and no one cares about consistent user experience.

These are my reasons. None of this seems to be solved soon. Have to say that point 3 is probably the most important for me.

 

[mib1800]

well yeah I'm talking more about the bigger devices. Generally the smaller devices are bad with battery life across the board.

5.5 inch 7 plus compared to the S7 edge it was a big difference in battery life. Can't say i've had a big issue with software needing to be updated for certain apps but i guess i update my phone when it comes through anyway.

Suppose with the WhatsApp app to allow siri to read messages it needs to be 10.3 so from that i see your point.

In this video s8 destroyed 7+ in battery life.

Same case for s7 edge vs 7+

Should I believe the video or you?

 

[KillaMac]

IPhone 7 doesn't have good battery life either. Don't talk about standby time but in usage it is no better.

Updates? Quite ridiculous on iOS. If you don't move to the latest version, you can't update or install new apps from App Store. My iPhone 4 is pretty useless but my s2 is running along fine.

True, but the iP7 and plus both beat anything Android in battery life. Even the S8+.
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In this video s8 destroyed 7+ in battery life.

Same case for s7 edge vs 7+

Should I believe the video or you?

It doesn't though. In real world use, the standby time is a huge factor. Android drains much faster just idling than IOS. I owned both the S7 Edge and IP7+ and the S7 edge can't touch my iPhone in battery life.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-Galaxy-S8-and-S8-battery-life-test-result-is-out_id92744

Who uses their phone straight with the display on the whole time. Not a valid test. Real world usage which includes standby time while it's in your pocket and you aren't using it is a factor.
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It is fairly easy. I tried to get out of Apple world many times, but always got back because:

1) I can easily live without iPhone, but not Macbook. Therefore always coming back because the benefit of iPhone vs Mac connection is not huge, but nice. There is not much point to use just iPhone from Apple world, there are better phones overall.

2) battery life of any android I had (and had many) was always worse (or let's say less consistent) then iOS device.

3) security patches. Apart from Nexus/Pixel and Blackberry, there is no one in Android world delivering security patches consistently. Samsung is trying for his flagship devices, but how long? Sony is trying, but again, nothing for granted. Apple takes care for their devices for years.

4) quality of apps. Most iOS apps are so much better, respecting UI/UX. Looking better and working better. Android apps are looking different, behaving differently and no one cares about consistent user experience.

These are my reasons. None of this seems to be solved soon. Have to say that point 3 is probably the most important for me.

Same reasons here. I've gone back and forth but always enjoy the iPhone better as it's always smooth/stable with long battery life compared to any android phone I have owned. Apps are much better too.

 

[eyoungren]

I understand that you never sell your iPhones and you pass them down to your children/other family members, etc. But the point is, the iPhones have some of the highest resale value on the used market. Primarily because their well-made and for those who upgrade frequently, they want to make some generalized profit and put that likely towards a new iPhone, which can serve as a nice dividend.

But on the other side of the argument, is that handing down the iPhone to a family member or friend, is that they last longer than other phones, which also saves that individual money from purchasing a new phone that still performs and functions normally. (Assuming the device is still supported.)

But for me, I actually trade my iPhones in versus selling them, because I don't want to deal with all the scammers and insecurities that can follow a sale. It's just a safer bet in my opinion, even if it means I take a price cut.

I get that. And again, I am not the norm.

That said, while true that Apple retains the value better, I'm not sure that the value of my devices at the point I retire them to secondary status would be equal to a device being sold to fund a new device.

Once a device becomes secondary to me I'm much less concerned about nicks, dings, scratches, etc. I don't abuse them but I am definetely never going to get the full resale value of one.

But I do get your point.

Unfortunately, the only device I have to compare your argument to is my old HTC Touch Pro, which was a Windows Mobile device and not Android. Thing was a tank. My wife and I passed ours on so a couple people could keep their Sprint SERO accounts.

 

[The Game 161]

In this video s8 destroyed 7+ in battery life.

Same case for s7 edge vs 7+

Should I believe the video or you?

what you posted isn't real world usage. So those videos aren't that useful. I used my S7 edge and 7 plus the same way and my S7 seemed to die many hours before my 7 plus. I wish this wasn't the case but it was.

As I said though the S8 plus might well be different and my dad is loving the battery life on his right now.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Sorry if I sounded like insulting you personally. No doing that. Otoh, I am definitely insulting your statement

The reality I see is over the years many iPhone users have deserted to Samsung, oppo, xiaomi, Huawei and never gone back.
It used to be 3 out of 4 were iPhone users but now it is like the reverse.

You are still living in the past if you keep bringing up stability / battery life /usability issues in Android. The reality is now both o/s are on par on these factors.

Even when Samsung market share dropped due to note7 debacle, most of drop were gobbled up by the Chinese brands and not apple. This shows that buyers are not flocking back to iPhone but staying with Android. The reason is simple. Consumers are now seeing the so-called Apple eco-system no longer has any advantage as Android closed that gap and they are no longer willing to pay a huge price premium for iPhone.

I'm still living in the past? The S7 is a recent device and my examples were given as instances shared with me by friends who are experiencing this right now.

It might be different in your part of the world but I'm not seeing a large shift in people going across to android. It might be more even these days, but it's not a significant shift here. I see more older iPhones than new ones in use and I am one of those people.

 

[macmann81]

Tried to s8+ for 2 days. It is in the box and going back to Best Buy today. I liked the screen design but hated the over saturation. Also the fingerprint scanner being in the back is a huge flaw for me. I could not get used to it. It was a task to unlock the phone instead of instinct. The iris scanner was alright but was not fast enough. The phone had to be held at the right height and distance or it would not work. You should not have to think about unlocking your phone it should just happen like it does on the iPhone. The home button is a natural place for your thumb to rest and unlocks the phone instantly. The bixby button was horrible too. I would hit it every time I tried to turn the volume down.

The only reason I tried the s8 was for a new design. The iPhone needs a refresh badly. I hope the case leak yesterday is not real. It looked like they are trying to put the fingerprint scanner on the back. It is a huge let down if that is a legit leak.

 

[The Game 161]

Tried to s8+ for 2 days. It is in the box and going back to Best Buy today. I liked the screen design but hated the over saturation. Also the fingerprint scanner being in the back is a huge flaw for me. I could not get used to it. It was a task to unlock the phone instead of instinct. The iris scanner was alright but was not fast enough. The phone had to be held at the right height and distance or it would not work. You should not have to think about unlocking your phone it should just happen like it does on the iPhone. The home button is a natural place for your thumb to rest and unlocks the phone instantly. The bixby button was horrible too. I would hit it every time I tried to turn the volume down.

The only reason I tried the s8 was for a new design. The iPhone needs a refresh badly. I hope the case leak yesterday is not real. It looked like they are trying to put the fingerprint scanner on the back. It is a huge let down if that is a legit leak.

Question is would that stop you from upgrading?

 

[I7guy]

IPhone 7 doesn't have good battery life either. Don't talk about standby time but in usage it is no better.

Updates? Quite ridiculous on iOS. If you don't move to the latest version, you can't update or install new apps from App Store. My iPhone 4 is pretty useless but my s2 is running along fine.

Fwiw, my 7 year old iPhone 4 is far from useless, although no longer receives updates, whatever app I need is installed on the phone. Obviously apps that require a specific iOS version cannot run on the phone, vs apps that can take advantage of certain features but still can run with an older version.

However the direction is to phase out 32 bits and it is coming,

 

[mib1800]

Fwiw, my 7 year old iPhone 4 is far from useless, although no longer receives updates, whatever app I need is installed on the phone. Obviously apps that require a specific iOS version cannot run on the phone, vs apps that can take advantage of certain features but still can run with an older version.

However the direction is to phase out 32 bits and it is coming,

But app store is completely useless as you (almost) can't download anything to obsoleted phone. And if you reset your phone, there is no way to get those apps back (unless you backed up phone)

At least on Android I still can side load apps. And a lot of android apps are much better at backward compatibility than those on iOS.

 

[KillaMac]

But app store is completely useless as you (almost) can't download anything to obsoleted phone. And if you reset your phone, there is no way to get those apps back (unless you backed up phone)

At least on Android I still can side load apps. And a lot of android apps are much better at backward compatibility than those on iOS.

Good luck trying to get those to work. Seen it on Android forums, and it's pretty much broken.

 

[mib1800]

Good luck trying to get those to work. Seen it on Android forums, and it's pretty much broken.

Nope. Not really. You just dont know what you are talking about.

I extracted current version apps from my oppo R9s+ and side load them to my very old galaxy S2. Many of them are working fine (except some games)

 

[Channan]

And that's when the Apple users who buy that phone in the end will learn they're heavily invested in Apple products ecosystem. Once the appeal wears off they're going to regret their purchase and come back to Apple. It's like a 6 month relationship with a hot girl/guy that was never meant to be. It was so much fun while it lasted, but not bring home to mom material.

The same can be said the other way around. You appreciate the quick updates and seamless integration between other Apple products, but then you start to realize all the things you can't do on iOS that you were used to on Android.

I've been using both operating systems concurrently for the past 7 years, so I've learned to get the most out of both. For example, while Continuity is nice, I don't want to be restricted to only Apple products, so I use Google Voice instead. It allows me to pick up any device with any OS I want (phone, tablet, laptop, Android, iOS, Windows, Mac) and still get all of my calls and texts.

Just to add to my previous post. Android is less reliant on the latest os version. While new features are cool the are rarely must haves.

Not to mention a bunch of features come through Play Services updates, which are pushed by Google to every phone with Play Store access. There is a minimum Android version number you must be on to get these updates, which I don't know off the top of my head, but even Gingerbread (Android 2.3) was getting these updates until a year or two ago.

What I'm saying is that the android OS is not as reliable as iOS. This my friend is FACT.

Couldn't be less true.

Tried to s8+ for 2 days. It is in the box and going back to Best Buy today. I liked the screen design but hated the over saturation. Also the fingerprint scanner being in the back is a huge flaw for me. I could not get used to it. It was a task to unlock the phone instead of instinct. The iris scanner was alright but was not fast enough. The phone had to be held at the right height and distance or it would not work. You should not have to think about unlocking your phone it should just happen like it does on the iPhone. The home button is a natural place for your thumb to rest and unlocks the phone instantly. The bixby button was horrible too. I would hit it every time I tried to turn the volume down.

The only reason I tried the s8 was for a new design. The iPhone needs a refresh badly. I hope the case leak yesterday is not real. It looked like they are trying to put the fingerprint scanner on the back. It is a huge let down if that is a legit leak.

Wait, you're surprised you couldn't break old habits in the two days you had this phone?

Couldn't get used to the fingerprint scanner on the back in two days.

Couldn't get used to positioning your phone for the iris scanner in two days.

Couldn't get used to the volume button position in two days.

You didn't give it a real chance. The only thing I'm surprised about is that you couldn't figure out how to adjust the display saturation in two days.

 

[I7guy]

But app store is completely useless as you (almost) can't download anything to obsoleted phone. And if you reset your phone, there is no way to get those apps back (unless you backed up phone)

At least on Android I still can side load apps. And a lot of android apps are much better at backward compatibility than those on iOS.

Not at all, I downloaded a fair amount of apps that I regularly use as a lot of apps are still iOS 7 and above compatible.

 

[44267547]

I think many have tried android but just isn't for them.

When I used to be with Android, I actually really appreciated it until I moved to iOS. When I moved to iOS, I never wanted to go back to Android realizing the differences were in my favor of iOS. My point is, is that if you only use one platform for so long, you truly appreciate for what it's worth until you experienced the other side.

That said, I think Android has improved a lot over the years and touch wiz is also much improved. But It still would not sway me to leave iOS and how consistent it is. As another forum member already mentioned, I appreciate the continual updates that improve iOS more frequent than Android.

 

[darksithpro]

Well, having both iPhone 7+ and Samsung S8 in my hands right now, I will reply

Spot on. The hardware is beautiful to hold and look at. There is are two big issues for me, and they are deal-breakers as far as S8 is concerned.

The first is with the display accuracy. I'm a professional photographer. Yes, I understand the difference between the iP7/7+ displays and the AMOLED display on the S8, and I actually owned S7 before switching to iPhone a few months ago. But photos on the S8 are way more saturated vs. the iPhone 7 or 7+. It's like Samsung dialed the saturation slider up to 11! Putting the two screens side-by-side and viewing calibration photos and any photos of mine (http://andywillia.ms) convinced me that there's no way I can use the s8. iP7 and iP7+ screens are accurate and true. Period.

The second issue has to do with scrolling. If you scroll an app (like Twitter or NY Times) on the S8, the screen jitters like crazy when you are scrolling. You can see herky-jerkiness as your scrolling. Scroll the same apps on iP7 or iP7+ and it's smooth like butter. S8 is going back, and I'll keep my iP7+. By the way the same happens with Safari or Chrome on iP7+ vs Chrome on S8. The scrolling using the browsers on iPhone is buttery smooth.

What I really want is iPhone 7 size with iPhone 7+ camera, and no or little bezels (larger screen). So I guess I'll be happier come end of the year when Apple has a new iPhone

I caved man! I bought the S8+ yesterday and it's a beautiful phone. However I bought it as a stop-gap phone until Apple releases their AMOLED phones with reduced bezels. Lets see how long Samsung supports this thing. The sooner Apple release a better refresh with similar tech, the sooner my stop-gap can be replaced!

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

But app store is completely useless as you (almost) can't download anything to obsoleted phone. And if you reset your phone, there is no way to get those apps back (unless you backed up phone)

At least on Android I still can side load apps. And a lot of android apps are much better at backward compatibility than those on iOS.

If somebody is still using a 7 year old smartphone then they are not going to be the type of person to be buying the latest apps or perhaps spending any money at all. I've got an iPhone 4 for my 3 year old daughter and it's just used as an iPod with YouTube on it. It's not reasonable to expect any company to support phones longer than 4-5 years IMO. It's simply a bonus if they do and arguing this point is a tad ridiculous.

 

[Ishan Agarwal]

I think that if any iPhone user will buy the S8, there are 80% chances he/she will not buy the iPhone 8 and 50% chances that he may not come iOS ever again.

~I'm an iPhone 6 plus user (and I love it and it does whatever I want but looking forward to the next iPhone and buying an iPhone SE soon for a bit of change in usual life.)

 

[44267547]

If somebody is still using a 7 year old smartphone then they are not going to be the type of person to be buying the latest apps or perhaps spending any money at all. I've got an iPhone 4 for my 3 year old daughter and it's just used as an iPod with YouTube on it. It's not reasonable to expect any company to support phones longer than 4-5 years IMO. It's simply a bonus if they do and arguing this point is a tad ridiculous.

In fairness, if somebody is using a seven-year-old iPhone, then it wouldn't be supported according to your theory if tech companies only support a phone between four and five years, which even if the consumer wanted to, they wouldn't be able to receive the latest updates or have specific applications on their phone because of undefined OS support. Essentially they would have to upgrade being a situation that they're placed in.

The iPhone 5 being the latest model to receive only OS updates through iTunes and not over the air. (If I'm not mistaken.)

 

[mib1800]

If somebody is still using a 7 year old smartphone then they are not going to be the type of person to be buying the latest apps or perhaps spending any money at all. I've got an iPhone 4 for my 3 year old daughter and it's just used as an iPod with YouTube on it. It's not reasonable to expect any company to support phones longer than 4-5 years IMO. It's simply a bonus if they do and arguing this point is a tad ridiculous.

Well, dont get me wrong. Apple update support is great. But some iphone fans always seems overstate the downside of Android because of updates.

As has been discussed many times Android update is quite different from ios. Firstly it doesnt bind the updates to apps unlike ios. If you don't do ios update, you can't get latest app updates or install new apps (once the developers deploy recompiled new version for the updated os to the app store).

Android does not do that. Even you dont get latest o/s update, you still can download/update apps independently. You don't really lose out that much in new functionalities/capability. I have phones 2 or 3 versions behind and they still function similarly to phone with the latest o/s. You can side-load older version apps (from online archive) even if they no longer available in google Play store. Because of these my old S2/S3 can still be used normally but my original ipad/ip4 cannot.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

In fairness, if somebody is using a seven-year-old iPhone, then it wouldn't be supported according to your theory if tech companies only support a phone between four and five years, which even if the consumer wanted to, they wouldn't be able to receive the latest updates or have specific applications on their phone because of undefined OS support. Essentially they would have to upgrade being a situation that they're placed in.

The iPhone 5 being the latest model to receive only OS updates through iTunes and not over the air. (If I'm not mistaken.)

I can't work out whether you're disagreeing with me or repeating what I said in a different way???

 

[44267547]

I can't work out whether you're disagreeing with me or repeating what I said in a different way???

No. I'm agreeing that you are correct with how phones can be only supported so long through OS updates. Your theory makes sense.

 

[UKapple]

In response to the original question 'so what would happen to the average iPhone user who upgraded to the galaxy S8/+' you would get a pink screen!