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Big fan as well. I went from the Treo hardware button world to the capacitive button world of Android to Apple, and I love the Home button. My jailbroken iP5 had the Home button programmed to do many things, too, depending on the number and speed of the presses. My SE can't do that, but I would miss it if it was gone. There is something so satisfactory about pressing in a button.
Exactly. The tactile response combined with the visual response is something that I appreciate, not to mention the aesthetic of the button being there.

Since the introduction of the iPhone, it's been a hardware staple. There are also so many older patents for improving upon the traditional home button that I would like to at least see those before they completely throw it out.

It just makes the phone more identifiable as an iPhone, much like the Apple logo on the back. To me, without those it could be any generic smartphone in appearance. And let's face it; we do kind of hold our iPhones as a status symbol in some form or another (I may be speaking only for myself here lol).
 
Apple isnt the only one with a home button. You'll also find a physical home button on the Galaxy S4 from like 3 years ago, which is one-hander yet has a 5" screen. And many other devices before and after.

The difference there is they made that particular device a bit wider, wasted less on bezels....and the home button is flattish or if you like oblong, not a big tall round circle.

Apple can do better in this form factor. They need to put more effort in.
 
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Apple isnt the only one with a home button. You'll also find a physical home button on the Galaxy S4 from like 3 years ago, which is one-hander yet has a 5" screen. And many other devices before and after.

The difference there is they made that particular device a bit wider, wasted less on bezels....and the home button is flattish or if you like oblong, not a big tall round circle.

Apple can do better in this form factor. They need to put more effort in.
You're absolutely right. The size of the SE is perfect for me. I *like* the screen size, but wouldn't object to a larger one at all. And it's totally possible for them to make this form factor with a larger screen while keeping the home button, as you said.

My hope is that Apple will eventually do that, allowing for 3 models.
 
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You're absolutely right. The size of the SE is perfect for me. I *like* the screen size, but wouldn't object to a larger one at all. And it's totally possible for them to make this form factor with a larger screen while keeping the home button, as you said.

My hope is that Apple will eventually do that, allowing for 3 models.

If anything, they'll reduce the bezels around the current 4" screen. They won't add a larger screen to the same form factor because the 4" screen is the entire point of the SE.
 
Just for the record, Apple doesnt listen to what you say. They dont. They "listen" to what to do.

I dont mean this in a bad way. They are a known practitioner of what is called "design thinking" princples, in which you might ask the customer what they care about but mostly you look to see what matters to them and then make a product to satisfy those unmet needs that you saw in their life.
That's a fair analogy. I wouldn't go as far as saying that they don't listen though. Sure there are so many wants that not all things people say can be met, and it often makes people feel like they're just not being listened to. But alot of what goes into any kind of creative design come from ideas, and to talk about and share the ideas and experiences publicly is a way of helping innovative flow to stay connected to that experience, and helps keep it stay meaningful and relevant. But I agree with you totally that it'll never be a a case if "the people demand x, and the company must eventually give in" type of thinking. Apple are indeed the primary innovators, and you're right that they do test how people use the devices, but they also do care about the user experience, and do pay attention to some extent to user feedback. So I still feel it's beneficial to have open discussions about how we've genuinely experienced these things, as it is enlightening both to the innovators, and also to other users to see how differently each of us have experienced the same things, and I'd say it does still help more educated design decisions to be possible.

Apple still needs to get a bigger screen in this form factor. 4" is at this point less usable than many customers needs. That will come with the virtual touch ID and the subsequent removal of the physical home button, but it will also involve a tweaking of the device to be slightly thinner but wider. You probably end up with 4.3" screen or 4.5" in this form factor.

I still think though that the endgame here is one device in this size but with about a 4.3"/4.5" screen, and a 5" device replacing both the 4.7" and the 5.5" device that are on the market now.

Honestly I think that it's better for them to have 3 sizes. There are those who want a big screen and don't care about one handed use and want the biggest iPhone possible, and they get the Plus; and there are those who really want a nice, comfortable, one handed form factor, they get the SE. Then there are those like myself who want a comfortable form factor that can still be easily one handed but still provides a great amount of screen space.
Now, that's not to say Apple shouldn't decrease the bezels on all three sizes, but I would keep all three sizes and just reduce bezels on them, giving a big more screen on each size but retaining the overall benefits of each.
Summed up beautifully, and why I love having these conversations. This is another perfect example of how amidst the many differences of opinion, that there is also alot of common ground that seems to come not in just one form, but come in the form of a few clearly identifiable schools of thought, which are all relevant. It shows how different people experience things differently, and that no "one-size-fits-all" method would ever cater for everybody. The three existing size models do seem to cater for each group's way of thinking to some extent, so it's good that this level of choice is available, as each of us can now opt for the version that suits us best, without anyone having to sacrifice as much as they would if we were limited to just one version of that.

Additionally though, it is also uncovering commonalities even between the differentiating schools of thought, which is also quite enlightening. The distinctive groups side of the equation being that there will always be people like myself and JerTheGeek who are quite similar on how we feel about favoring the smaller sizes of phone, yet there will always be many people like Osamede (who quite legitimately) would prefer something a little larger, and many also who find the full-on phablet sizes more useful to them. The commonalities being that while things like decreased bezels aren't necessarily deal breakers for everyone, even those of us it didn't matter to so much probably wouldn't mind if this was a direction they took.

So it's quite nice to see the bigger picture side of things that means there are ways to keep everyone happy, and sometimes that is to have a model that caters for each of the different groups. Identifying what those groups look like is the first step to reaching that, and I think they're doing a great job so far.
 
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I switched from an iPhone 6s Plus and an iPhone 6 Plus to an iPhone SE and thus far I do not plan on going back to either before the iPhone 7 comes out.

At that time I'll decide whether or not I stick with the SE or I go to a 7 or 7 Plus
 
I checked the SE in the store and man.....its crazy small to me now. I would be coming from a 6S plus though so it feels extra small. I could go down to a 4.7 but SE is way to small for me now.
 
I checked the SE in the store and man.....its crazy small to me now. I would be coming from a 6S plus though so it feels extra small. I could go down to a 4.7 but SE is way to small for me now.
That's initially how I was when I made the decision to switch. I was in the Apple Store holding it going, "Man, this is TINY!" But I loved the look and the specs so I bought one that was identical to my old iPhone 5.

After a couple of days, it felt perfect. Holding my girlfriend's 6 Plus feels like I'm holding an iPad mini now lol.
 
That's initially how I was when I made the decision to switch. I was in the Apple Store holding it going, "Man, this is TINY!" But I loved the look and the specs so I bought one that was identical to my old iPhone 5.

After a couple of days, it felt perfect. Holding my girlfriend's 6 Plus feels like I'm holding an iPad mini now lol.
lol. Yeah, this is definitely true. It's funny how the brain can get accustomed to things like this, but it really does! Things feel weird when you change to something else (no matter which direction), and then you get used to the new thing so much that the other thing seems weird. Kind of the same phenomena as when you change your brand of cigarettes... other brands always taste weird til you get used to the new brand, and then that feels the most natural, and everything else tastes funny. Habit is a powerful thing, and whichever of them you've most recently been been doing for a while just always feels the most natural.

That being said though, despite knowing all this, when it comes to the iPhone, I own both sizes, so having a true simultaneous comparison to go by, I can still hands on heart say I prefer the SE size, and that's definitely the next size I will pay for next time an upgrade is due. Any others I can just as happily take it or leave it. I know for a fact now that I will always look for models of the SE size (or at least close to it) over the plus size from now on, so I don't want Apple getting any ideas about canceling it from being a mainstay of the regular line-up.
Just sayin'. ;)
 
lol. Yeah, this is definitely true. It's funny how the brain can get accustomed to things like this, but it really does! Things feel weird when you change to something else (no matter which direction), and then you get used to the new thing so much that the other thing seems weird. Kind of the same phenomena as when you change your brand of cigarettes... other brands always taste weird til you get used to the new brand, and then that feels the most natural, and everything else tastes funny. Habit is a powerful thing, and whichever of them you've most recently been been doing for a while just always feels the most natural.

That being said though, despite knowing all this, when it comes to the iPhone, I own both sizes, so having a true simultaneous comparison to go by, I can still hands on heart say I prefer the SE size, and that's definitely the next size I will pay for next time an upgrade is due. Any others I can just as happily take it or leave it. I know for a fact now that I will always look for models of the SE size (or at least close to it) over the plus size from now on, so I don't want Apple getting any ideas about canceling it from being a mainstay of the regular line-up.
Just sayin'. ;)

Couldn't agree more. I've always admired the 4" size of the iPhone family. They're powerful and at the same time much more usable and easy to handle in one hand. I've moved up to the 4.7" model with the iPhone 6 but could never really have as strong of a bond I had with my 5S.
 
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The bezels on the side do have proper usability points to them. Playing games is a nightmare without the big bezels and also if you're watching videos on the go, holding the phone that way is easier while commuting. A lot of use cases support having the bezels. I use both iOS and Android and I really struggle with some Android devices that doesn't have bezels. Such has Samsung Galaxy line. Usability wise iPhone is leading the pack.
Samsung phones have plenty enough bezel to hold. The problem is the capacitive buttons that don't allow you to hold the bezels without going back or exiting the app. Really annoying.
 
Samsung phones have plenty enough bezel to hold. The problem is the capacitive buttons that don't allow you to hold the bezels without going back or exiting the app. Really annoying.
You're right. Either way, doesn't solve the problem.
 
To be honest I enjoy the bezels, I like the look, it's a classic iPhone thing; and the overall size is perfect on the 6 IMO, including the screen size. On the 6 plus it would be nice if they made it a bit smaller but hey it is a big screen and that type of device isn't meant to be used one handed anyway.
 
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But one IS better than the other.....functionality always trumps aesthetics, IMHO. Who cares if it's prettier to look at if it doesn't function well?
Functionality doesn't always trump aesthetics. That principle killed windows mobile in the software industry and Nokia in both software and hardware industry.
 
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Exactly. The tactile response combined with the visual response is something that I appreciate, not to mention the aesthetic of the button being there.

Since the introduction of the iPhone, it's been a hardware staple. There are also so many older patents for improving upon the traditional home button that I would like to at least see those before they completely throw it out.

It just makes the phone more identifiable as an iPhone, much like the Apple logo on the back. To me, without those it could be any generic smartphone in appearance. And let's face it; we do kind of hold our iPhones as a status symbol in some form or another (I may be speaking only for myself here lol).
Trust me, you're not alone on this! Personally I prefer the physical home button too! While touch screen controls have their advantages (programability / space saving / etc.), I still much prefer tactile buttons where possible. Don't get me wrong, alot of the older reasons why I p[referred tactile buttons to touch screen was that in the past, touch sceen was just nowhere near responsive enough in comparison. But that being said, iPhones always did handle that side of the equation far better than alot of the first touch screen devices that came out, and many other devices are starting to catch up on this nowadays, so who knows, maybe I will change my tune if it ever gets so good that there is zero difference, but I still don't think we're quite there yet. I agree with you also about the look of the iPhone being there (though that could theoretically be solved by making its digital representation look exactly like that, and could then be neatly hide it in a full screen mode when you needed to take full advantage of the screen). But there are other reason why the physical frame s needed too. Take for example the fact that if the entire screen is touch sensitive, then you run out of places where you can hold your phone without clicking something by mistake. (okay, in theory this could also be solvable by making that part of the screen non responsive whilst visible, so that it could behave in the same way, and could also prove to have other advantages too like being able to change it to a custom color or design, so these are a few potential ideas that might solve that issue in a more best of both worlds way). But I'm still not convinced that touch screen is fully there yet to be quite as accurate and responsive as the current physical home button. So they'd have to get it to that standard before I'd even consider it.

Couldn't agree more. I've always admired the 4" size of the iPhone family. They're powerful and at the same time much more usable and easy to handle in one hand. I've moved up to the 4.7" model with the iPhone 6 but could never really have as strong of a bond I had with my 5S.
I'm so so glad to hear that I'm not the only person that has had this exact same experience with the two sizes, so thank you for speaking up! You've summed up perfectly exactly how I feel about it!

To be honest I enjoy the bezels, I like the look, it's a classic iPhone thing; and the overall size is perfect on the 6 IMO, including the screen size. On the 6 plus it would be nice if they made it a bit smaller but hey it is a big screen and that type of device isn't meant to be used one handed anyway.
Well said! (on all counts). While I think each of us have our own definitions of a perfect sized model as our ideal regular device, there is definitely an appropriate time and a place for each in different situations. (for example, I still use my 6S plus which I just keep at home for watching videos in bed, and it's nice to have the bigger screen for that, and I don't mind about it not being one-handed in this context, so will still probably upgrade that one day but probably not as regular as my main-stay 4 inch models which will always be the one that comes with me wherever I go, and will be the model that I upgrade to newer versions of more often). While I still prefer it to the size of the 6S if given a choice, the fact that you and many other people prefer the 6/6S size is proof that all three sized models should be kept, because it's clear that we all feel very strongly about which of them our favorite models are. (and ultimately, those are the models we will buy). Agree with you also 100% about the classic iPhone look being part of the experience that I enjoy, and it seems many others feel this way too, so I think there is definitely quite alot of common consensus here on that one!
 
I switched to the SE from my iPhone 6 and I don't regret it. It took a few days to get used to, but I definitely prefer holding the smaller phone. There are some areas where I appreciated the larger 4.7" screen, but it's not a big deal.
 
I switched to the SE from my iPhone 6 and I don't regret it. It took a few days to get used to, but I definitely prefer holding the smaller phone. There are some areas where I appreciated the larger 4.7" screen, but it's not a big deal.

i am switching from a iphone 6s and im hoping i adjust to the SE ok. It should arrive tomorrow. I just love how small it is and even if i put a lifeproof or otterbox on the phone it doesnt make it huge like it did with 6s.
 
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i am switching from a iphone 6s and im hoping i adjust to the SE ok. It should arrive tomorrow. I just love how small it is and even if i put a lifeproof or otterbox on the phone it doesnt make it huge like it did with 6s.
I find myself thinking the same thing; I love the SE. The design is beautiful and classic. The size is compact and super comfortable. I love my 6 too, don't get me wrong, but there's someone about the SE that makes me want to switch....
 
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I find myself thinking the same thing; I love the SE. The design is beautiful and classic. The size is compact and super comfortable. I love my 6 too, don't get me wrong, but there's someone about the SE that makes me want to switch....

I think you should make the switch! Im excited to finally get my hands on mine I got the Rose gold 64gb . Honestly i think i like how thicker the SE is to compared to the 6s. My husband had the iphone 6 and completely hated it and got the SE and he is in love. and he is not a small guy either. but he just loved the fact that he can throw it in his uniform pocket and go on with his day.
 
i am switching from a iphone 6s and im hoping i adjust to the SE ok. It should arrive tomorrow. I just love how small it is and even if i put a lifeproof or otterbox on the phone it doesnt make it huge like it did with 6s.
Switching from a 6S?! Why??!! It's the same device with a small screen, was that all you needed?!
 
I don't see the point of switching to SE if you've already had the 6S. It's spending more money for less feature with a smaller screen size. Doesn't make sense at all to me.
 
Though I think about it and sometimes say I want the SE, I really like the 4.7" and wouldn't go back. I think this is the size for me, may even try the 5.5" but would prob be too big. This is the in between size and it works well.
 
Though I think about it and sometimes say I want the SE, I really like the 4.7" and wouldn't go back. I think this is the size for me, may even try the 5.5" but would prob be too big. This is the in between size and it works well.
Completely agree with you.
 
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I don't see the point of switching to SE if you've already had the 6S. It's spending more money for less feature with a smaller screen size. Doesn't make sense at all to me.
Well for some their top priority is having a small compact size. The se allows easy one handed use and many love it because of that. I can use my 6 quite easily with one hand, but if I couldn't I'd get the SE.
 
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