I realize this is possibly naive of me to ask, but I don't understand why these would be difficult to make. By that I mean, if they can make the 3.5 / 4" screen fine, and the 10" (or whatever the iPad is) fine, they why is something in between that much more difficult?
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Some Retina iPad Minis Showing Image Retention Issues
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Multiple screen suppliers ?
I brought my new iPad Air in to the Apple store today to do a screen comparison with the retinal mini (64 GB) Verizon I was picking up.
My retina mini has better contrast (sharper transitions from black to white), similar color, and better max brightness than my Air. It just really pops in comparison to my Air.
I showed it to two others in the store, and both were very quick to point out that the screen looked better on my retina mini.
I also have no yellow or blue issues. My retina screen also looked better than the two other retina mini's in the store that I compared it to.
Sharp versus LG ??? Or maybe just pure luck but it's a keeper!
I brought my new iPad Air in to the Apple store today to do a screen comparison with the retinal mini (64 GB) Verizon I was picking up.
My retina mini has better contrast (sharper transitions from black to white), similar color, and better max brightness than my Air. It just really pops in comparison to my Air.
I showed it to two others in the store, and both were very quick to point out that the screen looked better on my retina mini.
I also have no yellow or blue issues. My retina screen also looked better than the two other retina mini's in the store that I compared it to.
Sharp versus LG ??? Or maybe just pure luck but it's a keeper!
I have burn in (on the edges of my screen) on my iPad 2 after 30 seconds with the checkerboard.
So, is this a mountain or a molehill?
So, is this a mountain or a molehill?
Because the PPI (pixels per inch) is higher on the mini than on the full-size iPad or the iPhone. I guess that makes it a much more difficult production process that they're still trying to iron out.
As Tork pointed out...iFixit...here's the link JIC...
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPad+Mini+Retina+Display+Teardown/19374
You know, if you stare at that grid for even shorter than that, your retina will retain the image, temporarily "burned in", until it fades. Try it, then look at a solid color wall. Don't panic. It'll go away.
Seriously, it's an ipad. If you leave the same thing on the screen for ten minutes - what are you doing? Doesn't the default timeout within 2 minutes? I'd be more worried about permanent burn in with a test like this. Which is why there's a disclaimer on the test.
Apple isn't lying about persistence issues on this type of display, and it disappears within seconds or when the screen turns off. It's NOT permanent. Remember when that used to happen?
Seriously, it's an ipad. If you leave the same thing on the screen for ten minutes - what are you doing? Doesn't the default timeout within 2 minutes? I'd be more worried about permanent burn in with a test like this. Which is why there's a disclaimer on the test.
Apple isn't lying about persistence issues on this type of display, and it disappears within seconds or when the screen turns off. It's NOT permanent. Remember when that used to happen?
To those who say you shouldn't run tests:
My iPad 2 developed this over time. I didn't have to run any tests. I could just PLAINLY SEE the URL from Safari when switching to other apps. I didn't have to tilt my head at some funny angle, or run a checkerboard pattern, or do anything tricky to notice it. Very annoying and one of the main reasons I didn't use my iPad often anymore. Was so excited to get the rMini after selling my iPad 2. If it has retention issues then I'm going to be extremely upset. My iPad 2 developed it over time. Perhaps for the first year or so it wasn't a big issue. But I ended up missing the AppleCare window.
This actually happened, so you can bet that I'm going to run tests this time. I don't want it suddenly getting bad enough to notice after a year again. Apple did a good job repairing my rMBP which had retention issues. They sent it off to Texas and had it back to me within the week, replacing the LG display with Samsung. Now it's incredibly beautiful. I expect that my rMini, if the issue exists, will also be replaced. It's just a huge pain to deal with.
The fact of the matter is that Apple's product quality is slipping. I don't know what the deal is, but if I'm going to put up this kind of money I'm going to test it to make sure my investment holds up as well as possible over time. I prefer Apple's software, form factor, eco-system. I don't know what their deal is with displays lately. Don't listen to the people who say you shouldn't make sure you got a high-quality product. It may come back to bite you in the ass like my iPad 2 did. Sometimes these issues aren't easily noticeable at first.
My iPad 2 developed this over time. I didn't have to run any tests. I could just PLAINLY SEE the URL from Safari when switching to other apps. I didn't have to tilt my head at some funny angle, or run a checkerboard pattern, or do anything tricky to notice it. Very annoying and one of the main reasons I didn't use my iPad often anymore. Was so excited to get the rMini after selling my iPad 2. If it has retention issues then I'm going to be extremely upset. My iPad 2 developed it over time. Perhaps for the first year or so it wasn't a big issue. But I ended up missing the AppleCare window.
This actually happened, so you can bet that I'm going to run tests this time. I don't want it suddenly getting bad enough to notice after a year again. Apple did a good job repairing my rMBP which had retention issues. They sent it off to Texas and had it back to me within the week, replacing the LG display with Samsung. Now it's incredibly beautiful. I expect that my rMini, if the issue exists, will also be replaced. It's just a huge pain to deal with.
The fact of the matter is that Apple's product quality is slipping. I don't know what the deal is, but if I'm going to put up this kind of money I'm going to test it to make sure my investment holds up as well as possible over time. I prefer Apple's software, form factor, eco-system. I don't know what their deal is with displays lately. Don't listen to the people who say you shouldn't make sure you got a high-quality product. It may come back to bite you in the ass like my iPad 2 did. Sometimes these issues aren't easily noticeable at first.
Here's the funny thing, I just tried the test on 4 different devices, and all showed that same burn in. Does that mean anything I have with a display that I keep a checkered screen on for 10 minutes and very faintly retains the checkers for a few seconds is defective? I'm thinking not, and that it is probably a display characteristic.
Has anyone tried this on a display, and not gotten some retention?
Has anyone tried this on a display, and not gotten some retention?
It doesn't disappear right away. What might you be doing for 10 minutes? How about browsing Safari? On my iPad 2 I'd switch from Safari to Sketchbook Pro and have the top and bottom retained in landscape. Makes it pretty distracting to try to draw with crap all over your screen. And it doesn't disappear within seconds. I tested it. It was even more apparent under iOS 7. I'd lock my screen, and come back five minutes later and could still make out the Safari URL bar on the top of the lock screen! I suppose the rMini may be different (mine arrives Wednesday), but if it does disappear within seconds then that's fine. I doubt Marco would have written the story though if that's the case.
The eye image-retention argument is ridiculous. The eye isn't static. It's always looking around. For the most part the brain filters out that stuff unless you've just stared directly at the sun or a light bulb and see a blob. A static image on a screen is going to be more apparent.
Yes some of use would like Samsung displays but not all of us are going to get it. Sigh...
I feel you pain. Hopefully we'll get decent rMinis. I ordered mine on release day and it has a 3rd Dec delivery date, maybe it'll be an LG display instead of sharp.
Apple has enough money that they could fire up their own fab plants and make everything they need inhouse.
But that'd be expensive. Really expensive. Apple would have to buy up tons of space to build a loads of multibillion dollar factories to produce the devices, and hire hundreds of thousands of people to turn them out quickly and efficiently. Apple would become a bloated, unweildy company in the process, no longer singly focused on just making nice consumer products, and the only way they'd be able to maintain their profit margins would be to double or triple the price of everything they sell.
In the end, they'd end up draining their bank account without any substantial returns on their investment, and would probably be worse off, considering they don't have the experience to produce panels and chips en masse efficiently like Samsung or even LG does.
If you have a new rMini just enjoy the darn thing. If you haven't experienced image retention then don't worry about it. Stress testing your product just for the sake of seeing if you can make it happen doesn't make sense to me. If your rMini has an issue it will present itself before your warranty expires. Apple usually doesn't hassle anyone about warranty covered issues.
You've got a brand new toy. Go play. Through normal use the issue will present itself... if you have the issue at all.
I'd rather know my product has no flaws from the get go and start using it without feelings of doubt in my head and if I get unlucky having to replace the device when I actually need the device to work right then.
Some folks use these devices for more than Facebook and Youtube, you know.
Glassed Silver:mac
I'm more worried about the lower gamut.
So wait, there are both Sharp and LG panels out in the wild? I thought it was only the latter.
So wait, there are both Sharp and LG panels out in the wild? I thought it was only the latter.
I love my new ipad mini hi-rez
I got my iPad Mini hi-rez on 11/12/13 and i absolutely love it. I have not noticed any image retention problems. I'm just amazed at the amazing crisp-ness of everything on the screen. Thank you Apple! This is an absolute winner.
I got my iPad Mini hi-rez on 11/12/13 and i absolutely love it. I have not noticed any image retention problems. I'm just amazed at the amazing crisp-ness of everything on the screen. Thank you Apple! This is an absolute winner.
If you're using your device for more than Facebook and YouTube, then wasting time to blow some image retention out of proportion is your least significant problem.I'd rather know my product has no flaws from the get go and start using it without feelings of doubt in my head and if I get unlucky having to replace the device when I actually need the device to work right then.
Some folks use these devices for more than Facebook and Youtube, you know.
Glassed Silver:mac
Nor do you need to replace the device just for the heck of it.
Or try an Android tablet. Google for "Android image retention", and you'll be surprised how great the displays on the Galaxy S2, S3 and Note 2, Nexus 4, Nexus 7, … are. Noooo image retention whatso-****ing-ever.
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Sorry off topic, How long it takes to charge it from 0 to 100%? Thanks in advance.
Sorry off topic, How long it takes to charge it from 0 to 100%? Thanks in advance.
I just tested it on my ipad 3. I got some retention after 3 min. The issue has not affected me since 2012. Good thing I don't use my ipad to only look at black and white cubes everyday.
Well, it's apparent the new Apple is all about providing B-rated components on their devices.
A market leader acting like one.
I just tested it on my ipad 3. I got some retention after 3 min. The issue has not affected me since 2012. Good thing I don't use my ipad to only look at black and white cubes everyday.
Like black text on white background for text books?
Like black text on white background for text books?
I've actually never noticed that problem on my ipad3.
Looks like you never experienced the Retina MBP LG display ghosting issues.
When I had my Retina MBP, I was working in Photoshop using Dodge/Burn tool like a newbie. But I found myself constantly dodging and burning and couldn't get it right, I thought I was going crazy. Few weeks of headaches later, I realized that when I switched desktop screens and switched back to photoshop, the burn-in/ghosting issue was screwing up my photos. My bright desktop wallpaper was burning/ghosting the screen too quickly, so when I switched back to Photoshop, the burned area was screwing up my photos. After sending in my mbp, they replaced it with a Samsung display, and all of my problems went away.
We're running the torture the test to find out how severe this is.