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I don't even know where to begin... it's been quite awhile since a thread in a forum got me this riled up! I had a whole rant that I had typed, but surely it would have put me in "time out" so the cleaned up version instead (still written in the heat of the moment):

First, SHAME ON YOU to those that dare judge a book by it's cover. Get out of the dark ages, it's the 21st Century!

People with a lot of tattoos are far more likely to commit crimes. In fact from a US study in Texas they found that "They are ten times more likely to have an arrest history".
 
People with a lot of tattoos are far more likely to commit crimes. In fact from a US study in Texas they found that "They are ten times more likely to have an arrest history".

I think a strong, profiling statement like this needs to be supported by some credible links. You're painting a broad segment with a wide brush. There are a lot of people with tattoos.
 
Nothing says prick quite like someone who spends his time judging based on person thought.

Tattoos are a personal option (something a mistake yes) but they are hurting only per person who carries them and in the manner that he/she carries them.

You don't like tattoo's, that's fine, but judging a person by ink is just the same as judging by skin color and tone, which makes you a racist.

No. It's not Racist, it's a character judgement.

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Yes, David Beckham, Angelina Jolie, Drew Barrymore, Megan Fox, Johnny Depp, Scarlett Johannson... they're all "circus freaks" because they have tattoos.

Careful... Your white, southern state republican is showing.

Fine roll models all.
 
People with a lot of tattoos are far more likely to commit crimes. In fact from a US study in Texas they found that "They are ten times more likely to have an arrest history".

I think your inverting causation here and mixing up correlations. Those that commit crimes are often gang affiliated and thus tend to get tattoos and commit more serious crimes. The real link here is gang affiliation linked to Crime, not tattoos.

What does "a lot of tattoos mean", "a lot" is kind of a weasel word in this case; it means nothing yet implies actual data.

I got 4, have committed no crimes of any kind and am squarely in the dreaded 0.3%-0.5% richest in North America... Did they count me?

To say "10 times more crime", you'd have to have a baseline of people having tattoos and not committing crimes. How on earth would they even collect this info. There is no registry of people getting tattoos.

Unless this "study" covers those that have never commited a crime, or just misdemeanors and also got tattoos (and not just serious crimes were those info could more readily be collected), I call total BS.

Give me the link to the study so I can rip it apart (or at least see what its actually saying and not you selectively related from it).

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No. It's not Racist, it's a character judgement.

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Fine roll models all.

Yes, fine role models, not criminals; unless you think spending most of your time doing volunteer work, like Jolie, is criminal.
 
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It's funny people will blame Apple for a simple physics problem. "Apple should have thought of this". Ummmm.... they did. They couldn't do anything about it. Nobody can in certain instances. The watch I personally wear isn't affected by my tattoo, but it's not a thick dark ink. The likely result will be a software update that will ask "Do you have a tattoo", and it will probably rely more on IR for pulse and probably reconfigure other options to keep it functional. This is so silly. Usually jealous haters come to this forum to cry like little bitches. Grow up. If you don't like Apple, gtfo of this forum.
 
From second hand experience, I was told Steve despised tattoos. Supposedly he would not work with anyone directly that had tattoos and many people did not get promotions due to their tattoos. I have been told this is legal due to the fact tattoos are almost always elective thus not considered discriminatory. It was one of his hidden standards.
I'm hoping this is misinformation. That would make Steve a piece of manure, and I would like to hold him in higher regard than that.
 
People with a lot of tattoos are far more likely to commit crimes. In fact from a US study in Texas they found that "They are ten times more likely to have an arrest history".

This is obviously a claim that can't have any valid data to back it up.
 
This is obviously a claim that can't have any valid data to back it up.

I think your inverting causation here and mixing up correlations. Those that commit crimes are often gang affiliated and thus tend to get tattoos and commit more serious crimes. The real link here is gang affiliation linked to Crime, not tattoos.

What does "a lot of tattoos mean", "a lot" is kind of a weasel word in this case; it means nothing yet implies actual data.

I got 4, have committed no crimes of any kind and am squarely in the dreaded 0.3%-0.5% richest in North America... Did they count me?

To say "10 times more crime", you'd have to have a baseline of people having tattoos and not committing crimes. How on earth would they even collect this info. There is no registry of people getting tattoos.

Unless this "study" covers those that have never commited a crime, or just misdemeanors and also got tattoos (and not just serious crimes were those info could more readily be collected), I call total BS.

Give me the link to the study so I can rip it apart (or at least see what its actually saying and not you selectively related from it).

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Yes, fine role models, not criminals; unless you think spending most of your time doing volunteer work, like Jolie, is criminal.

I think a strong, profiling statement like this needs to be supported by some credible links. You're painting a broad segment with a wide brush. There are a lot of people with tattoos.

Enjoy...

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/da...oed_people_more_prone_to_deviant_behavior.php

I'm sure Apple cares about the special-little-snowflakes-with-arm-sleeve-toughie-stickers' money as much as the next bloke, but I think you'll find it's more to do with science and what's actually possible at this point in time.
 
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I love how this has brought out such racism and bigotry from so many of you.

"Most Asians are smart." That is just as racist as saying, "Most Asians are stupid." All of you realize this, correct?

40 percent of adults 25-40 years of age in the United States have at least one tattoo... and that statistic is among those who would admit it. It is not as uncommon as everyone is claiming.

Making a judgment about anyone based on a tattoo, whether it be a Tweety Bird on a mom's asscheek, or a tiger on a barista's face, is bigoted.

The anonymity of the Internet is a good reminder to us of the bigotry and prejudice that people still hold in their heart. I have plenty of tattoos, including very obvious, visible tattoos, and have never been insulted to my face about them. I can see, though, that many of you jabronies would have made some egregious judgments about me before I had even said a word, were we to meet. For shame.

To all of you who think that tattoos are an indication of trash... No. BIGOTRY is a much more accurate indication of "trash" to me.
 
40 percent of adults 25-40 years of age in the United States have at least one tattoo... and that statistic is among those who would admit it. It is not as uncommon as everyone is claiming.

I don't know whether this statistic is true or not.

But clearly there is a difference between having a tattoo and say having a Mike Tyson face tattoo. Just as there is a difference between having some random Chinese letters on your back, versus covering your entire arm in a tattoo sleeve.

I'm not anti-tattoo. But I am pro common sense. You start getting serious ink, and people are going to judge you for it. It is going to close some doors. And it would seem that one of the doors it closes is having your Apple Watch work correctly.

Frankly though, if your entire arm is covered in tattoos, I question if you were standing in line at an Apple Store clamoring for an Apple Watch on launch day.

In any case, Apple cannot really be expected to foresee every body modification you may have made for every product launch.
 
Seriously people...you tat yourself up to look like a circus freak and get all upset when your your fancy new optical sensors can't recognize you as having a normal skin tone. Really?

The definition of forum:
a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas.

The key words here are expression of ideas, not expression of blatant ignorance.
 
Is he stupid? He slows down, almost to a stop. That's when the Watch stops working. It reads it as him taking a break.

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I love how this has brought out such racism and bigotry from so many of you.

"Most Asians are smart." That is just as racist as saying, "Most Asians are stupid." All of you realize this, correct?

40 percent of adults 25-40 years of age in the United States have at least one tattoo... and that statistic is among those who would admit it. It is not as uncommon as everyone is claiming.

Making a judgment about anyone based on a tattoo, whether it be a Tweety Bird on a mom's asscheek, or a tiger on a barista's face, is bigoted.

The anonymity of the Internet is a good reminder to us of the bigotry and prejudice that people still hold in their heart. I have plenty of tattoos, including very obvious, visible tattoos, and have never been insulted to my face about them. I can see, though, that many of you jabronies would have made some egregious judgments about me before I had even said a word, were we to meet. For shame.

To all of you who think that tattoos are an indication of trash... No. BIGOTRY is a much more accurate indication of "trash" to me.

Surely saying most Asians are smart is a compliment?
 
Do the fitbit, Microsoft watch, and all the others have the same problem?

I have a Moto360 and just checked the heart rate function. I have a dark purple tattoo around my left wrist that covers the entire region of the watch and had no problem whatsoever, exactly the same as my right wrist that is sans tattoo. Quite happy with my decision to skip the :apple:watch now haha.
 

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Is he stupid? He slows down, almost to a stop. That's when the Watch stops working. It reads it as him taking a break.

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Surely saying most Asians are smart is a compliment?

Though it is not conceived as a negative, it's still an example of stereotyping. The same applies to: Chinese people are goord at math, Jews are good at accounting, black people can jump high, gay men know interior design... ad nauseum.
 
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Do the fitbit, Microsoft watch, and all the others have the same problem?

I said earlier in this thread that my Gear S watch has a problem reading my BP when I wear it on the wrist that has a tattoo. It has no problem on the other wrist.

It's not just an Apple watch problem. I posted about this back in February in the Gear S forum on Android Central.
 
Though it is not conceived as a negative, it's still an example of stereotyping. The same applies to: Chinese people are goord at math, Jews are good at accounting, black people can jump high, gay men know interior design... ad nauseum.

If I may go on a tangent, it is interesting how some of these stereotypes emerge. For instance Jews became associated with banking because of a period in history where the Catholic Church barred its followers from collecting interest on loans.
 
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People with a lot of tattoos are far more likely to commit crimes. In fact from a US study in Texas they found that "They are ten times more likely to have an arrest history".

So given that I have two full sleves, back and legs tattood means I will commit crimes ? HA - suckers for giving me top secret clearance .. they should have read the study before allowing me to work "there" ...
 
People with a lot of tattoos are far more likely to commit crimes. In fact from a US study in Texas they found that "They are ten times more likely to have an arrest history".

I have many tattoos on my arms and back and have no arrest record. I also work at a college where I advise new students on what classes they should be taking with their goal in mind if they have one yet. I have never been asked to wear long sleeve shirts and I am asked about my tattoos all the time by students and so many of them have tattoos.
 
It is actually listed in the manual. There's not a specific warning for tattoos but there is a description for how the sensors work.

Well I suppose when you read the manual, you already bought it, so I guess you got your return policy working for you. I mean rather on the product page.

On my sports watches I bought, which use both LED and chest band, there are warnings that both tattoo and sweat can affect readings.

So what you're saying is that every little detail that's necessary arising from any plausible or probable potential problem with a product needs to be stated in the technical specs and manual. Your apple watch would have to be shipped with a book then, a pretty thick one at that.

Besides there's a return period, if the product fails to function as advertised. Then return it.

See above. Not talking about every little detail. There is a reason that manufacturer even mention operation temperatures. And like I say, my "decent" sports gear has warnings that even sweat can affect the readings and that you not supposed to take them for granted (the readings that is)

I'm not sure what you're saying. Should there be a warning in the manual about having horrendous tattoos or that the watch uses green light?

The fact that the readings might be false under certain circumstances .. read my comments above regarding other sports gear.

I'm not sure what people expect otherwise. It's sitting on your skin.. How else is it supposed to measure your heart rate? Magic?

Yes, magic ...
 
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