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Something better happen soon, or we are in trouble

dont blame apple

apple wants something good just as much as the next guy. Motorolla is who they depend on for chips. We need to get them moving. Apple better start making some big pushes in order to keep up.
 
Re: dont blame apple

Originally posted by blindman858
apple wants something good just as much as the next guy. Motorolla is who they depend on for chips. We need to get them moving. Apple better start making some big pushes in order to keep up.
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Agreed. Not only must Apple find a way to push Motorola to the red, but Apple must also improve their speed increments every time their is an update. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that every six months we improve our top of the line Powermacs by about 200MHz. AND, Apple really should lower their Mac prices by a huge amount if they are going to be able to inspire people who just want a fast computer for cheap money. The last time I checked, P4 2.2GHz computers sold for less than $2000, and we are selling our dual 1gig for $3000. Apple better do something by Macworld New York
 
As far as cost, go to Dell's website and customize the 4400 to match the high end iMac.
You'll have to upgrade to the super drive, upgrade to the Geforce 2, upgrade to the 15"LCD add an ethernet card, etc. etc.
What you'll find ist that the Dell 4400 w/ the 1.7Ghz Intel chip will cost you about $100 more than the iMac.

I know, I know, what will be said. "But the iMac doesn't have PCI slots and upgradable video card".

So what, the iMac's target market is for the consumer that doesn't want to screw around inside the computer, but wants easy set up and be able to use iPhoto, iDVD, iMovie, etc. Apparently, @ least 150,000 people feel this way.

Oh and by the way, @ least for DVD encoding the iMac will knock the snot out the Dell. Now that the iMac has Altivec, my guess is that more and more software will be optimized for it.:D

So if you want to build your own Windows computer, go right ahead and deal with incompatible drivers and software glitches and spend countless time on the internet downloading patches and the potential for inferior equipment from third party suppliers that didn't do their homework. A lot of consumers do this and that's great, but a lot of consumers don't and that's also great.

But don't keep insisting that Apple computers are more expensive than the competion. It don't hold water.:p
 
rickag: you are right, of course, but ill play pease maker here (because since u already put him in his place i dont have to). i think cobra boy was just saying that an uneducated consumer who does not know what they are getting thinks macs are expensive. (btw you forgot all the free software on the mac that would cost at least an extra grand on a pc to replace)

If the consumer asks the right questions (and has a salemen who knows what he is talking about) then he will realize the mac is a lot cheaper than the pc. Its like when buying a car you look to see what features are added to see if the price is fair. If you find a car with no fm radio, no AC, etc it will be at a good price but the consumer will gladly pay a lil more for one with all these features. At first glance it seems like the mac is a little more just because it gives so much more. Also the mac has the stigma of higher prices from days gone by.

Apple has rigorously attacked prices in the past couple years. Prices have dropped dramatically, and i expect this trend to continue (though in baby steps)(three steps forward two steps back in the case of the imac). At the same time (the two steps back) apple has been cramming more and more features (whether it be software or hardware) into the computers.

still if the customer doesnt take a look at the sticker to see whats included and doesnt ask the salemen about it then he might be tempted by the dark side. i think apple is very aware of this and those of us who have followed apple for a long time know apple has been working on this lately. cobra's observations are partially right then, because clearly apple feels this is something they need to go after. i think most of us are pleased to see the steps apple has taken to lower prices without sacrificing quality or features. but of course we are mac users so we wll always ask for more. luckily i think in this case apple is working hard to deliver.
 
Spaz

What the hell do you know about what Apple should do (reference to the original post).

If you don't like what they are doing sell your shares.

Right now there are people at Apple burning holes in their stomachs thinking of ways to make neat stuff people will buy. The company is in good hands. If you can't see that, then you must be blind.
 
Apple

The Hammer, McKinley? Oh wow, I am shaking in my boots. They need to develop an operating system first. Windows 2000? XP? NT!!?!?
Now I am laughing my A$$ off!

Please, you know those chips will be fast. But what are you going to be using them on? A Windows Machine.

G4?? G5!!! Oh wow, I am now shaking in my boots. Wha? OS 9? OS X? OMG, Apple is superior!
 
so its a little faster for now...

Why do we need a G5? Something just a little faster? Apple does not need to make a faster computer. They need to make a better computer. Everyone bitches about performance, while I guarentee hardly any of your lives (business or pleasure) would change THAT much from a machine that runs a little fast. Apple needs to break ground with something huge. Like an optical computer. SO fast and far beyond anything out their now. The G4s are fine. They are getting faster. Waa hoo. Lets not waste time with small steps. Lets hope apple makes advances.
 
Re: Something better happen soon, or we are in trouble

Originally posted by MacManiac1224
I am a loyal Mac fan, but also a Stock market specialist. I have recently been reading about Intel and AMD, and the new chips that are coming out. I think there may ba a problem for Apple. I am hearing reports from various soruces throughout the net saying Apple is not going to release the G5 in MWNY, well, they better do something, becasue AMD is going to release thier Hammer Chip in the Summer, and Intel is going to release thier new McKinley chip this summer also. I only say that if Apple wants to get into the server market, they better have something bigger and better then Intel and AMD to compete. Also in the Pro market: I highly doubt the G4 will be able to take on the Hammer and the McKinley, even in Graphics, So Apple better do something.

What do you guys think?
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no big deal, really

apple does not need to get into the "suffering" server market anymore than they need to get into making a digital camera...networking these days really sucks in the valley and no one is willing to stick their neck out in this concept...remember the fiasco with fiber optic and the billions lost there...and microsoft (king of networking) pulled way back on their windows 2000 implementation and stayed with having their technicians (like me) continue to support nt 4.0 in the "real" world...novell and cisco, can you say e-n-r-o-n

i think the imac will carry the company for some time, but a new g5 will be very welcome when it comes

as for the stock market, that is your specialty and not mine and i hope the stock value is not too tied into the g5 and mwny
 
Caution: long winded post ahead!

Well I have been patient, Hey goes.

Mcrain : Stated that he was researching why people like macs so much. That should be SO obvious, who likes ugly things?
Your betray your motives with this method.
You seek the justification of your actions by following the opinions of others, so that you can feel secure in buying a Mac. This is an example of why you first bought a Pcee in the first place. And why many others have, its the herd mentality!

People that have bought the Mac did so because they wanted a unit that fits their needs and works. They didnt seek out justification by watching others. This is an obvious character flaw.

SO obviously you have been exposed to Mac's and are merely confused.
The numbers of iMacs sold, proves that there is exposure!

Allow me to unconfuse you. ;)

Drop the comparisions tween Pcees and Mac!
The only relative comparision is tween available hardware and what Apple should use.
You said that you didnt want to buy a machine that was more expensive and over a gigahertz slower than Wintel.

Unless you can extrapolate for yourself the obvious different natures of the machines which are beyond these limiting scopes.
There is no amount of cajoling that will ease the unrest in your mind. As you attempt to veer away from the masses of addle minded businessmen that have made the Wintel machine so generically attractive, to the sheared sheep of the land.

Wintels only advantage is user base-period!
Micro$ software is crap, bloated, ugly and boring, much like your missives. I have no idea why you site Micro$ as an advantage in software, this is perhaps your sad attempt at humor.

Your concept of OSX on a Wintel box is infantile, I won't address it because I am trying to be civil!

You say that your sick of windows and would switch in a heartbeat. You gives reasons as to why you are holding back.
- cost: Buy a lower unit or look at the cost differences taking into consideration the DVD-r and the far superior OS.
- Solid Info: Stop the useless comparisions. Osx is totally different and will mature into a global open source OS instead of the invasive privacy intruding big brother bloated clip art of an os that is Windows! Its a matter of mature understanding of the nature tween the two from a philosophical perspective. There are things more important than how fast something claims to go. Better to understand the context of where it is going! ( ohhh i like that one@!)

As rastalin stated OSX does things WIntel cant no matter how much speed you throw at it.

To touch upon the title of this thread~

Many things seem to be happening, sadly not good.

Imacs have been delayed, I fear that this will cause new users to cancell units. Tho the claim shipped units, I have yet to get any info on the arrival of my unit.

There have been strange problems with the new dual powermacs.
Strange video problems that hundreds of people have been posting on the apple site and have been ignored by Apple.
This is bad news and could relate to the imacs not shipping because of firmware problems.
I cant understand why Apple would take such an unwise stance with users at this time of crucial import. To show that they ignore users is the last thing that they should want to do! It is very simple to address the issue and say that they are working on it.
The treatment that these people have received has been ridiculous.

As far as I can tell its Apple's costumer service policy that will be its undoing. Job's has got to prove that his company will stand by their products. There has to be a way to get this point across to Apple! Any ideas?
 
What's all this Apple following Stuff? Here's a couple more apple firsts for those that may be to young to know.

First to run MS Word
First to Run MS Excel
First to be able to run both of the above apps at the same time
First with mouse
First with SCSI
First to be able to print spreadsheet graphs on paper
First to be able to paste a graph into a range on a spreadsheet
First with 3 1/2 " floppy
First with No Floppy
First to support hard drives beyond (I think it was 32 meg).
First to address memory beyond 64K
 
Originally posted by jenkij
What's all this Apple following Stuff? Here's a couple more apple firsts for those that may be to young to know.

First to run MS Word
First to Run MS Excel
First to be able to run both of the above apps at the same time
First with mouse
First with SCSI
First to be able to print spreadsheet graphs on paper
First to be able to paste a graph into a range on a spreadsheet
First with 3 1/2 " floppy
First with No Floppy
First to support hard drives beyond (I think it was 32 meg).
First to address memory beyond 64K
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very true on a historical perspective but look at today's consumer and their lust for speed

amd - first to hit 1 ghz
intel - first to hit 2 ghz
amd - first to hit 1.3 ghz on laptop benching the same as a 1.5 ghz desktop
ashton digital - first to market a pc laptop with a pentium 4 which goes between 1.5 ghz and 2.0 ghz

and who do you think will hit 3 ghz in desktops and laptops...not apple

these are just numbers, but simple ones that the average consumer goes for

of course, for the better computing experience, apple is it and has been it ever since the beginning
 
Re: Caution: response to long winded post ahead!

Originally posted by Grokgod
Mcrain : Stated that he was researching why people like macs so much. That should be SO obvious, who likes ugly things?
Your betray your motives with this method.
You seek the justification of your actions by following the opinions of others, so that you can feel secure in buying a Mac. This is an example of why you first bought a Pcee in the first place. And why many others have, its the herd mentality!

People that have bought the Mac did so because they wanted a unit that fits their needs and works. They didnt seek out justification by watching others. This is an obvious character flaw.

...

Drop the comparisions tween Pcees and Mac!
The only relative comparision is tween available hardware and what Apple should use.
You said that you didnt want to buy a machine that was more expensive and over a gigahertz slower than Wintel.

...

Your concept of OSX on a Wintel box is infantile, I won't address it because I am trying to be civil!

...

- Solid Info: Stop the useless comparisions. Osx is totally different and will mature into a global open source OS instead of the invasive privacy intruding big brother bloated clip art of an os that is Windows! Its a matter of mature understanding of the nature tween the two from a philosophical perspective. There are things more important than how fast something claims to go. Better to understand the context of where it is going! ( ohhh i like that one@!)

...

Many things seem to be happening, sadly not good.
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Well, well, well. I'm surprised, quite surprised. I bought a PC at a time when Apple was selling gumdrops that maxed out at speeds that were ludicriously slow. Lots of little girls liked the cutsy colors, but I was looking for something a little more appropriate for business meetings and court. In addition, apple's stability at the time was no better than PC's.

Now, rather than following any herd, I'm researching to determine whether apple is a better machine. I hear and listen to Mac users make claims about how superior the mac is, however, some claims should be easily supportable. Others require use with a machine.

I have had the opportunity to use G4 towers, G4 TiBooks, and a G3 iBook, and am thoroughly impressed with the usability and features offered on those computers. I also like the look and feel of the OS better than anything offered by M$.

That being said, I also hear and listen to lots and lots of Mac users on these threads that bitch and moan about how apple needs this, or needs that. In fact, this thread starts with a mac person suggesting that mac could be in trouble if it doesn't do something soon. So, instead of blindly following the heard of lemmings over the cliff, I continue my research to determine whether buying an apple (a machine I think is nicer) is a mistake.

As for OSX on a wintel box being a silly idea, sure, OSX on a wintel box wouldn't be as good and would make all the high and mighty mac users feel betrayed, but if it increased apple's market share from 4% to >10% would that necessarily be a bad thing?

Apple has several issues to overcome if it hopes to convince a large portion of current PC users to buy apple. That's a fact of life. I've "seen the light," and to suggest that it is wrong to assist others to see the light by making software and hardware available is, as you would say, infantile.

Here I am, a current PC user who is beginning to embrase apple and its products, and what do I get? Beraded. Good thing you don't work for apple's PR department.
 
Nice gumdrop story but i fail to see the signifigance to anything.
Are you saying that the 5% PERCENT gumdrop purchases was the herd and you went the other way?

SLow gumdrops, thats called all day suckers! :) Or jawbreakers

Slow compared to what again? Speed has to be related to the operating system that the unit is running. I never had a gumdrop so I dont know how it ran OS9.

I dont think that people are moaning or anything in a negative manner, i think that this is a board where thought is jotted down for conversations sake. That may sometimes take its form with some emotional content, since we are humans here.
We all feel very strongly about the future of Apple.
You have to look at the point of origin of the action to understand.

This isnt the Pcee worlds where Bitchin, really is that!
Here it is something totally different, we are all involved with Apple and the machines that they create. We see an opportunity now to create true prosperity for the Mac and we want it to work!

Again OSX on an wintel box will not increase Apple's share it would DEcrease it. Since they run on Wintel boxes and not MAc's!
Its that simple.

I never said it was wrong to show customers the software and hardware of Mac's. I said it was being done everyday, remember you said that you have had the opportunity to use the G4, Ti, G3.
Thats the exposure that has led you to the choice you now face. It has also lead thousands of others to the same choice.
So, there is exposure and there is opportunity for all.

Is it as good as it should be, well thats the challenge of business isnt it. Is Appple doing a good job? I say yes considering your desire to switch and the current iMac sales.

I dont think that I am attempting to abuse you in any way. Merely bringing you into the Mac fold, sadly there will be a difficult period as you are deprogrammed from the Wintel dogma and return to the human race! :) Little human humor there.

I think that the most important reason to switch to Mac's really hasnt been addressed properly and thats the moral issue.

OSX is open source, think about what that really means.
I realize that in the Pcee world there is NO such thing but
this means, in a blunt way. Power to the people!

M$ new XP is extremely invasive and controlling!
OSX is the new paradigm and it is the ethical choice and needs to be supported by those who understands such things.

The internet represents the new frontier of freedom and M$ needs to be rejected and an open source to empower the people needs to be embraced! There is much more to OSX than what is seen in a speed or price comparision.
It is a moral and intellectual desicion made by people that recognize this.
This is the war of our generation for our freedom!

Hell , i should work for Apple's PR cause i would sell a lot of boxes.

I am telling you to buy an Mac!

It is the only choice for an intelligent person and that is why you have come to this crossroad! Yes, i am calling you intelligent! :)

Leave behind your indecision and rest your mind in the warmth that you have contributed to the correct ethical choice. Speed and costs are not the issue!
Embrace the new OSX and get on the band wagon as we demand more from Apple to get this thing in gear as we move into a new generation of computing that leaves behind the days of Gates and his weak willed artistically empty vision of a computing world dominated by his control and mediocrity!

Hell, his company even stated that they may be forced to pull Xp from the shelves if the courts continue to force them to comply in manner that they find abusive.

Imagine M$ is actually threatening our court system to withdraw their demands. If that show you the truth, nothing will.

Imagine working your Wintel box at its new 25% market share. LOL

Was that good, or am i deluded?
Vote now!
 
Originally posted by jenkij
What's all this Apple following Stuff? Here's a couple more apple firsts for those that may be to young to know.

First to run MS Word
First to Run MS Excel
First to be able to run both of the above apps at the same time
First with mouse
First with SCSI
First to be able to print spreadsheet graphs on paper
First to be able to paste a graph into a range on a spreadsheet
First with 3 1/2 " floppy
First with No Floppy
First to support hard drives beyond (I think it was 32 meg).
First to address memory beyond 64K
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notice how all these 'firsts' took place in the 80's except for the 'first with no floppy' but i don't consider that a technical achievement. anyone can build a pc without a floppy ever since win 98 was bootable from cd.
 
Originally posted by Jookbox


notice how all these 'firsts' took place in the 80's except for the 'first with no floppy' but i don't consider that a technical achievement. anyone can build a pc without a floppy ever since win 98 was bootable from cd.
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Good argument but I didn't say that all of the firsts happened in the 80's did I? IE:"Here's a couple more apple firsts".
 
Nice argument and point well taken Grok.

Only thing is that you argue that OSX is open source and should be embraced. A truly open source OS wouldn't be machine spacific. Sure, I can go out and see the code and then play with it, but it won't run on a x86 machine.

For OSX to be truly embraceable, and truly have the spunk to kick W$ out of its position, OSX will have to have multiple versions that will run on old apples, new apples, PC's, PC servers, and it will have to be able to communicate with older versions of windose, linux and OS's from apple.

Windose XP is a piece of sh**. The registration and tracking is enough to make me puke. More than anything, it's windose theft of my information that makes me want to try apple or linux.

Oh, that reminds me. My exposure to macs came because I happen to have a friend who has all three. I had to drive 6.5 hours to see him and his computers. As for retail exposure, there is none near here. The nearest apple store is 3-4 hours away. The nearest CompUSA is almost 3 hours away, and I'm in a state capital! Apple doesn't have nearly enough retail exposure.

All I can say is I really like apples. I really want to like apples. In addition, I really want apples to be better than PC's. Finally, I want apples to sell more than W$ pc's.

Oh, and I want a Tibook with one of the new mobile G4's with teh better power and heat management, or even better, a ti with a G5! That, and a G5 tower would be nice. Throw those in the passenger seat of the Porsche that I want and all will be well.

M
 
Ethics

Originally posted by Grokgod

I think that the most important reason to switch to Mac's really hasnt been addressed properly and thats the moral issue.

OSX is open source, think about what that really means.
I realize that in the Pcee world there is NO such thing but
this means, in a blunt way. Power to the people!

M$ new XP is extremely invasive and controlling!
OSX is the new paradigm and it is the ethical choice and needs to be supported by those who understands such things.

The internet represents the new frontier of freedom and M$ needs to be rejected and an open source to empower the people needs to be embraced! There is much more to OSX than what is seen in a speed or price comparision.
It is a moral and intellectual desicion made by people that recognize this.
This is the war of our generation for our freedom!
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Ethics and Morals! Apple is a hardware company that, Oh! by the way happens to make it's own OS, that only runs on it's hardware. Let me put it bluntly, the OS may be Open Source, but it isn't the money maker, hardware is. Don't tout Morals until Apple quits it's monoplistic nature as well. That's right, I called Apple a monopoly. Just try to buy a Mac with an operating system other than Mac OS X or 9. You can't, unless you buy it second hand.

Let's Compare:

Microsoft: We make an OS. We don't produce substantial hardware, just mice and keyboards. Our OS will run on 90% of the new machines out there, not quite as good as Linux, but pretty darn good. We don't release our Kernal, but do provide many "hooks" so 3rd party vendors can produce software that interacts with the OS. Since we can't possible test all the hardware out there, we provide a "signiture" procedure that a company can go through to ensure thier hardware will work in our OS.

Apple: We make hardware, and an OS, that only runs on our hardware. Before OS X, you had to pry knowlege of our "hooks" from our cold dead hands. Also we are proud to claim that only a handful of other OSs will run our hardware, we tried to make in zero, but those pesky Linux people just had to fiddle and reverse engineer a solution, Damn! We know our customer base well enough that we don't have to make substatial leaps in product, because if you want to use photoshop, or any other Adobe product efficiently, we are your only choice. Oh, by the way we are a member of the plaitifs against Microsoft's anti-trust lawsuit. We don't think it was fair of MS to give IE away for free thus destroying competing browser buisness. Meanwhile don't you like our freebies: iTunes, iDVD, iMovie. We graciously bought out the companies that developed those applications, gave them away for free, and now they are nearly the only ones available on a Mac. Just makes me smile.


That is my take on the whole thing, I don't trust the morals of either company. As a matter of fact, long before Enron, I didn't trust the morals of any corporation. Also as a matter of record, I currently own 3 computers: Self-built Linux box, Self-Built Win2K, and G4 Titanium 500
 
Don't worry

Everybody go to the beach, save your pennies and relaxxxxx.
believe me, relaxxxx !!!!!!!!!!!!

just save your money, I repeat SAVE YOUR MONEY !!!!SAVE YOUR MONEY !!!!!

nigel::cool:
 
Point taken. Yet~

Sturm has a good point, one that I have had issue with also.

I had to play a few head games in my brain to be ok with that reality.
I think that both companys have to right to compete in the market by lawful ways and that both make a product that they want to retain control of, in some manner. Also that control may be needed in certain aspects to create stabile machines, I mean look at all the driver and hardware issues on W$ units.

I dont understand what you are getting at when you say that the OS is open source but the hardware is the money maker.
Yes thats true, thats my point the OS is open source, Of course the hardware is the money maker! This is a capiltalistic structure and thats how Apple makes their money. I dont have a problem with Mac making money, do you?

I dont really expect to see Mac's with the abiltiy to run other OS's.
Because there arent that many Os's out there, and if there were, there would have to be software written for it. It was bad enough waiting for photoshop for OSX. I mean comeon!
I dont want to buy a mac with another operating system on it and no appz. I have been into BEos and others. Been there, done that. I was talking about functioning OSes with appz, that can be used in the work place, that has certain needs to plug into the already setup infrastructure of graphic houses, etc!

You dont call all the design creations of Apple, leaps?
I certainly do! Every hear of the Bauhaus Art philosophy?
It speaks of the need for design to fill our daily lives in everyday functional ways. A beautiful concept from the early 40's that has become the flag of Apple's concepts. Read up on it, its an interesting concept.

Jesus , who isnt in a huddle against M$.
Apple and anyone that can stand up is, including our court system.

I can understand that neither companys are holy and free of manipulation. The nature of big business is very agressive.
Yet, I have to choose and this is about choice, what I am supporting with my money. Of the 2, I choose Apple, if for no other reason that the OS is open source! That means alot!
Yes, they make money on their hardware. Duh~! Of course

Mcrain~
I dont understand why OSX has to be on other machines to be truly open source? The os works and is open which allows others to modify etc. The hardware is relative only in the fact that there is one supply. Which enables the machine to be created with a certain amount of stability. I dont like the hodgepodge of W$ parts. Besides if you wanted to make changes to a MAC. Merely use the board and CPU and stick the rest, Hd etc into it.
THere are lots of places that you can buy an old mac G4 or G3 and rebuild it and create a box. Then get all the exposure you want to it. As much as you would have gotten by buying a PC with osx on it. FOr less money!

I live in a very small town called Ashland , we dont even have a computer store here! I mean nothing, no Pcees no macs, no accessories, NOTHING. Looked online for the products, drove to San Fransico and tried one out. It was fun, sometimes you have to go across the street to find something out. Not everything comes to your door. There is plenty of exposure even if you have to meet it in the middle, its worth the adventure.

Apples are better than Pcees, there isnt any doubt.
They will improve even more and when they take over,we will all be in trouble cause Apple will become the next evil tyrant! :)

I think by writing this post , I have finally understood what others have been saying all along.
Apple is doing great and we should all be enjoying it. Cause when or if they get bigger or too big, it will be all downhill.
Hopefully the open source will keep it real!
 
My Point

My point was that Apple can afford to make their OS open source, as that isn't what they make their money with. They pretty much give it away, with the purchase of a computer. Go to any computer store that sells Apple, and just ask for a copy of OS X upgrade, it free! Microsoft on the other hand has the OS, that is their money maker. They can't make their product Open Source.
 
ok, time for a memory jolt

Ok, this is where I remind some and inform others of a fact that I'm surprised no one else has mentioned. The Open Sorce portion of the mac OS X is called Darwin (not to be confused with the darwin streaming server)

That's point one.

point two:

Dawin is multi platform....

yes it's true, it runs on modern Macs, "old world" macs and pc's. It could run on anything if the right people put their minds to it. PDF's, cells you name it, just have to get it to work.

Now it may not have the fancy UI of OS X, but it will run the markedly similar x-windows manager windowmaker (it was based on the NEXT UI, as is OS X).

And point 3:

If you go to a site like gnu.org (the behemoth of the open source community) you will see that open sorce software need not run in more than 1 os, often they do not (heck often they don't even fully run in 1 os ;) In reality what makes software open source is the ability for anyone to download the source code, alter it as they see fit, and then distribute the change. Such a change can be as simple as changing a single variable or porting the entire software package to run on a different OS / hardware type.

sorry if I rambeled a bit, it's late...

so that's my 2 coppers. Enjoy.
 
INteresting!

Well there you go, Darwin is open to all platforms!

Thanks you very much Lords in forge!

Apples previous OS wasnt open source and this one is, thats a big difference. I dont think they made it open so that they could give it away.

Anyone have anything to say about the current rumors that there will be NO changes at the tokyo dates!

Looks like nothing is going to happen on the Mac platform for QUite a while..:(
 
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