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Sorry, but Apple FAIL

stuartmack1974 said:
Well i for one don't like the direction - this iOS-obsession will come back to bite them. Im sitting here, not a heavy iPad or iOS user, wondering why my powerful functioning workhorse of a MBP, is being reduced to childlike innovation and eye candy.

I can now do a three finger swipe for M control or hit the dock button - why would you need both options! I can now hit the button for launchpad or do a thumb and 3 finger pinch - again why would you need both.

It seems as though Apple are beginning to focus on making computer toys that look trick and as the previous poster rightly said, are appealing to a non-tech generation. I don't consider myself tecchy per se, but i can see poor design and functionality when i see it.

Maybe Apple need to decide who their market is. I have to say that the pitch at WWDC was about overly-slick and is becoming tiresome. Its the sort of patter you hear from estate agents and sales people. 'Pushing content is now awesome' etc from Craig Federighi etc. No its not, everything has become less pragmatic and user defined, and more focussed on 'features'.

Sorry but i really can't hide my disappointment on this one Apple.

Going for a beer, lets hope that ring pull still opens towards me....:D

Stu
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Again I have to completely agree here. The computer is being dumbed-down.
MAybe they need to smarten up the iOS instead of dumbing-down OSX.
 
wolfpackfan said:
...But after finding a number of fixes and work arounds, I really do like Lion better than SL...
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Shouldn't have to be finding work-arounds to "like" a new system. If you have to look for it or create it, the system was not a good upgrade. And while I'm on that, let's face it, it was nothing but a minor upgrade, not something "magical".
 
stuartmack1974 said:
I can now do a three finger swipe for M control or hit the dock button - why would you need both options! I can now hit the button for launchpad or do a thumb and 3 finger pinch - again why would you need both.
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So people can decide which works for them. You can remove the Dock icon, or use the Gestures.

Maybe Apple need to decide who their market is. I have to say that the pitch at WWDC was about overly-slick and is becoming tiresome. Its the sort of patter you hear from estate agents and sales people. 'Pushing content is now awesome' etc from Craig Federighi etc. No its not, everything has become less pragmatic and user defined, and more focussed on 'features'.
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And, that's what a keynote is. Note, the ribbing Apple execs get for repeated use of "magical", "amazing", and "it's that easy."


As near as I can tell, the only iOSification is the Launchpad -- which for people being introduced to the Apple brand from the iPad is a great thing. You're completely free to never, ever use Launchpad.
 
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Because of iOS my 93 year old father and 75 year old mother in-law just bought iPads, my dad had an imac and she had a windows laptop in the past but found them too complicated.
Pure genius on Apples part, they will become the Toyota Camry or Honda Civic of computing, simple appliances.
 
Brammy said:
So people can decide which works for them. You can remove the Dock icon, or use the Gestures.

How do i get rid of the dock - you can only hide it. The two completely duplicate each other. Clumsy thinking from the boys in Cupertino.

I am going to persevere with it a while longer but i can really see a snow leopard retreat on the horizon

Stu
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Brammy said:
So people can decide which works for them. You can remove the Dock icon, or use the Gestures.

How do i get rid of the dock - you can only hide it. The two completely duplicate each other. Clumsy thinking from the boys in Cupertino.

I am going to persevere with it a while longer but i can really see a snow leopard retreat on the horizon

Stu
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You mis-read. I said Remove the Dock Icon. This was in reference your complaint about the Dock icons for Launchpad and MC. You can drag them off the Dock.

Really, the fact there are two or three ways to activate a feature will make you go back to Snow Leopard?

I can get the hatred for MC if you liked how Expose and Spaces worked in SL. But I can't behind the Launchpad dislike when it's something you can hide the Dock icon, disable the gesture, and pretend never exists.
 
And, re: Mail 5. I've thought previous versions of Mail were steaming piles of *********, but the new Mail I like quite a bit.
 
I mirrored my setup onto another hard drive and upgraded to see what all the fuss was about.

The upgrade went surprisingly well, although it took out Logic 8 which is a program I like to use from time to time to put tunes and stuff together.

What I really object to though is that Lion takes up more memory and my system runs hotter than in Snow Leopard, which isn't good. I could upgrade Logic (which I probably will do) but I'm not going to buy yet more RAM just so I can run Lion....There don't seem to be any real benefits for me. Maybe Open GL 3 might swing it if the 3D apps I use have significantly improved performance but we'll have to see.

Meanwhile, I'm back in the comfort zone of my original Snow Leopard install.
 
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I wish mission control would show minimized windows, like expose used to.
 
ritmomundo said:
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I wish mission control would show minimized windows, like expose used to.
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I can't help but think this is going to be in 10.7.1.
 
Not liking the new features doesn't mean it's a bad OS.

I understand, and respect the fact that you might not like the new features, but so what? Dont use them then. Apple didn't take any functionality away with Lion. How was SL so much more usuable than Lion is?
 
Yes, frankly i'm shocked. They are pushing the IOS thing and it's stupid.

I don't like this at all. Fortunately, I imagine if enough people complain they will adapt it; at least they've done that in the past
 
stuartmack1974 said:
It seems as though Apple are beginning to focus on making computer toys that look trick and as the previous poster rightly said, are appealing to a non-tech generation.
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Gesh. LaunchPad brings another style of managing apps to Mac OS, without changing any of the old ways.

IMO, there's a market of millions of non-technical people familiar with iOS-style app management (from owning iPhones, iPod touchs, iPads) that don't own Macs. Giving OS X the ability for them to be able to manage apps like they already know how to takes away one more barrier off the Switcher objection list. IOW, it's going to help sell more Macs.

And other than the literal 1 second it takes to remove the LaunchPad icon from the Dock of people who don't like it, it hinders them not in the least.

I get why some people don't like it, but to complain because a feature that they're not going to use exists, and it's targeted to help less technical people get more out of their Mac... Really?
 
And why is app switching only full screen? And full screen is buggy - take my mouse pointer to the bottom in a full screen app to pull up the dock - nothing, have to pull down on the pointer again to show the dock.

Roll on the software updates.

Ill give it a month to be persuaded by Lion............;)
 
I agree that this OS is a lot more confusing than SL. I think some of the new gestures and their interaction wasn't really thought out well.

I wouldn't call Lion a fail though, there are some huge improvements too.
 
From everything I've read and seen, it does look like a crossover into the iOS. I guess from a marketing point of view - most of their profit is coming from iOS products - it makes sense, but as others have said I'm using a full fledged computer not an iPhone or an iPad.

I'm also bummed they took away Rosetta stone - still got some apps that need it :eek: - so I'll be sticking to SL for a while.
 
killerrobot said:
I guess from a marketing point of view - most of their profit is coming from iOS products - it makes sense, but as others have said I'm using a full fledged computer not an iPhone or an iPad.
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IMO, the only iOS-like feature is LaunchPad, which is 100% optional and easily removed. :confused:

OS X had "Trackpad Gestures" back in 2006, which is a year before iOS was released.

Are there other iOS features in Lion?


advan031 said:
^^^I just noticed this morning that I'm using far more RAM now.
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What processes are using the extra RAM compared to SL? For me, it's the "Safari Web Content" app, but I switched from Firefox to Safari, so that's to be expected. That, and other that once, that process seems to release memory back when things get tight.
 
aristobrat said:
IMO, the only iOS-like feature is LaunchPad, which is 100% optional and easily removed. :confused:

OS X had "Trackpad Gestures" back in 2006, which is a year before iOS was released.

Are there other iOS features in Lion?



What processes are using the extra RAM compared to SL? For me, it's the "Safari Web Content" app, but I switched from Firefox to Safari, so that's to be expected. That, and other that once, that process seems to release memory back when things get tight.
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Safari Web Content and compupowerchuteapc (or something like that) i believe this is a bug for my APC UPS as I saw this in SL before the patches??? I killed the job either way.
 
stuartmack1974 said:
Well i for one don't like the direction - this iOS-obsession will come back to bite them. Im sitting here, not a heavy iPad or iOS user, wondering why my powerful functioning workhorse of a MBP, is being reduced to childlike innovation and eye candy.

I can now do a three finger swipe for M control or hit the dock button - why would you need both options! I can now hit the button for launchpad or do a thumb and 3 finger pinch - again why would you need both.

It seems as though Apple are beginning to focus on making computer toys that look trick and as the previous poster rightly said, are appealing to a non-tech generation. I don't consider myself tecchy per se, but i can see poor design and functionality when i see it.

Maybe Apple need to decide who their market is. I have to say that the pitch at WWDC was about overly-slick and is becoming tiresome. Its the sort of patter you hear from estate agents and sales people. 'Pushing content is now awesome' etc from Craig Federighi etc. No its not, everything has become less pragmatic and user defined, and more focussed on 'features'.

Sorry but i really can't hide my disappointment on this one Apple.

Going for a beer, lets hope that ring pull still opens towards me....:D

Stu
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I'm right there with ya Stu - I'm very new to the Mac world - a Windows convert. I moved because I was tired of the Microsoft approach to providing 10 different ways to do the same thing (many of which were/are buggy). I was tired of the non-sense 'features' that got sold as productivity features (read poorly implemented bolt on tool bought from another company).

When I bought my MBP in March/April of this year I felt at home with the OS within the hour (never having seen a Mac OS up to that point). Everything was simple to use. Everything made sense. Everything just worked. Now I feel like I'm running SL with a bunch of poorly implemented bolt on tools bought by other companies. I feel like I downloaded a bunch of $1.99 'productivity tools' from the app store only to find out after 1/2 hour of playing with them I'm over the 'coolness factor' and just want it off my machine. I know I can take it off and go back to SL but that isn't the point. You can only do that for so long before you are left behind.

I know things will mature over time but that too isn't the point. WHY do we need so many different ways to launch an application? Is it really that hard to open an application folder that we now have to have LaunchPad - or is it just because the screen is rendered a little differently I have now become that much more productive. What was wrong with Expose that Mission Control solves and makes us that much more productive?

I'm not hate'n on Apple. I've turned away from Microsoft for good reasons but I feel like I just purchased Windows 7. Heck my wireless now behaves like it!
 
I started using a Mac with SL, honestly, I haven't seen a big difference in performance or user usage between them, but I switched over from linux so still do not know all of the little intricacies in about swiping and all that, i tend to just set op my keystokes the way i want, and go with it, if you don't like an option, geez, just don't use it. I have Lion on a 2011 MBP 13" and a 2009 MB 13", 8 gb on the MBP and 4 on the MB. They work fine, other than my avidemux doesn't work, but am sure that will be fixed soon. Best thing, it ain't friggin WINDOZE!
 
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