Sorry, but Apple FAIL

[killerrobot]

IMO, the only iOS-like feature is LaunchPad, which is 100% optional and easily removed.

OS X had "Trackpad Gestures" back in 2006, which is a year before iOS was released.

Are there other iOS features in Lion?

I've really liked the "trackpad gestures" since they came out - especially on a MBP. Multi-touch gestures have made a lot of things quicker and easier to do. (I must admit though that many a times they have also made things a pain in the a** like the accidental resizing in Finder in SL)

I guess I'm talking more about the GUI - launchpad just seems really out of place on a 27" monitor - but as I stated earlier, since that's where most of apple's profit is coming from I wouldn't be surprised if future updates added more iOS looks and features.

My main beef at the moment is the lack of rosetta. Other than that it's just an update that will have glitches of course - and some will love it and others won't.

 

[Nostromo]

I'm not upgrading as I still own two applications that run through Rosetta. I have to buy two apps whenever I am forced to upgrade (by buying a new computer, I won't install Lion on this machine as SL runs well).

I'm also not sure if I need all those new functions that constantly show up in OS X.

I want a lean OS X, and hopefully it won't turn into something bloated.

 

[jagolden]

Because of iOS my 93 year old father and 75 year old mother in-law just bought iPads, my dad had an imac and she had a windows laptop in the past but found them too complicated.
Pure genius on Apples part, they will become the Toyota Camry or Honda Civic of computing, simple appliances.

Congratulations to them, I say! Great that they are able to stay up with new tech. This is as it should be - iOS for those types of devices. But leave the Standard OS for computing.

 

[aristobrat]

WHY do we need so many different ways to launch an application? Is it really that hard to open an application folder that we now have to have LaunchPad

Having taught the "Getting Started on the Mac" free workshop for years at the Apple Store I worked at, ... yes ... for the majority of first-time Mac owners, the concept of opening a Finder window and looking for the Applications shortcut wasn't something that most "intuitively" discovered. If the app wasn't on their Dock, they didn't use it.

The best was when they knew were already taught to open a Finder window to get to Applications, so they're clicking on the Finder dock icon repeatedly, waiting for a window to open, not realizing that since they already had another Finder window already opened somewhere on their 27" screen (out of the area they were looking at), no amount of clicking was going to open another one.

Personally, I don't care if Apple adds new ways of making OS X easier for non-technical people, so long as they don't disable the old ways. I'm pissed that the Expose "Show All Windows" ability is gone in Lion, but overall I like the upgrade. It's running faster and cooler on both of my Macs than SL.

As for Microsoft, have you not seen their concept for Windows 8?

What was wrong with Expose that Mission Control solves and makes us that much more productive?

IMO, Mission Control is the solution to Spaces -- not Expose. I swear that 99% of Mac users never even knew a feature called Spaces even existed in Leopard/Snow Leopard, since you manually had to enable the feature in System Preferences.

And now that full-screen apps essentially exist as their own Space, virtually every Mac user will be using "Spaces" in Lion.
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[jagolden]

Having taught the "Getting Started on the Mac" free workshop for years at the Apple Store I worked at, ... yes ... for the majority of first-time Mac owners, the concept of opening a Finder window and looking for the Applications shortcut wasn't something that most "intuitively" discovered. If the app wasn't on their Dock, they didn't use it.

The best was when they knew were already taught to open a Finder window to get to Applications, so they're clicking on the Finder dock icon repeatedly, waiting for a window to open, not realizing that since they already had another Finder window already opened somewhere on their 27" screen (out of the area they were looking at), no amount of clicking was going to open another one.

Personally, I don't care if Apple adds new ways of making OS X easier for non-technical people, so long as they don't disable the old ways. I'm pissed that the Expose "Show All Windows" ability is gone in Lion, but overall I like the upgrade. It's running faster and cooler on both of my Macs than SL.

As for Microsoft, have you not seen their concept for Windows 8?


IMO, Mission Control is the solution to Spaces -- not Expose. I swear that 99% of Mac users never even knew a feature called Spaces even existed in Leopard/Snow Leopard, since you manually had to enable the feature in System Preferences.

And now that full-screen apps essentially exist as their own Space, virtually every Mac user will be using "Spaces" in Lion.
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I simply don't see how OSX could be any easier to use than it already was.

When I bought my fist Mac (think it was System 6.7), the salesperson sat me down at a table where he'd set up my unit. He fired up the "tour" that Apple used to include with their computers. In 30 minutes I knew all the basics of how to run the Mac. Click, Double Click, Open Windows, find apps., etc. Despite all the system "advances", the basics still apply.

Apple has become too lazy or indifferent to make these little training discs any longer.

Crimminy, all this talk about gestures, where the h*ll is some sort of reference or card to print out that tells you all of them.

Two weeks ago when I got my iPad I almost choked when I saw there was nothing in the box about even turning it on. Granted, I have an iPhone and understood the basics of iOS, but still!
If it was my first iOS device, I'd have been a little lost and peeved.
Yes, you can go online and hunt around, run out and spend more money on a book (I did anyways).
There's a lot of talk about iOS for the less tech savvy. Well, what if you're not tech savvy and aren't comfortable or don't know how to search and use the internet to find what you need.

 

[ritmomundo]

Congratulations to them, I say! Great that they are able to stay up with new tech. This is as it should be - iOS for those types of devices. But leave the Standard OS for computing.

Agreed. I feel like Apple's got the real-simple-to-use iOS, and the powerful OS X, and they tried to combine them in Lion. However, it ended up feeling like they dumbed down OS X (to me, anyways) to make it easier for people to adjust coming from iOS. Launchpad is awkward, and I don't think I'll get used to it (or maybe I don't want to). That kind of setup is great for the limited iOS on iPhone/iPad, but compared to the Dock & Applications folder on Macs, it seems incredibly primitive.

 

[killerrobot]

That kind of setup is great for the limited iOS on iPhone/iPad, but compared to the Dock & Applications folder on Macs, it seems incredibly primitive.

IMO - To me it seems like jumping back to Windows 3.x. EDIT: I should say some aspects remind me of it.

@artistobrat -this was a good NYTimes article I read that described more of the iOS ideas that have been adapted into Lion better than I ever could.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/21/t...ward-a-stumble-backward-state-of-the-art.html

 

[VSMacOne]

And why is app switching only full screen? And full screen is buggy - take my mouse pointer to the bottom in a full screen app to pull up the dock - nothing, have to pull down on the pointer again to show the dock.

Roll on the software updates.

Ill give it a month to be persuaded by Lion............

I don't think this is meant to be a bug.. It makes sense that in full screen you would want an uninterrupted experience, so if there's something on the bottom of your screen that you want to click, if you move your pointer there and the dock pops up, then you'd have to scroll the page and try again.
Think ab it...

 

[VSMacOne]

Agreed. I feel like Apple's got the real-simple-to-use iOS, and the powerful OS X, and they tried to combine them in Lion. However, it ended up feeling like they dumbed down OS X (to me, anyways) to make it easier for people to adjust coming from iOS. Launchpad is awkward, and I don't think I'll get used to it (or maybe I don't want to). That kind of setup is great for the limited iOS on iPhone/iPad, but compared to the Dock & Applications folder on Macs, it seems incredibly primitive.

I think this is a brilliant move from Apple. There are still ways to change setting to the older style (scroll, gestures) but for all the new customers coming to the Mac that currently have an iOS device, they're going to want to pinch and swipe and expect all these gestures to give similar responses as they did on iOS. So from that aspect, Apple was brilliant to implement these changes in Lion.
Also, I would rather they stay consistent with iOS than be more like Microsoft and keep coming out with new things that just confuse people instead of building on older stuff.
Just my 2 cents...

 

[JOCKDEE]

Launchpad

Launchpad Apps icon's size is way to big I'm not blind ........

 

[VSMacOne]

Launchpad Apps icon's size is way to big I'm not blind ........

They're not any bigger than your desktop icons..

 

[mtnDewFTW]

I agree with some things you're saying, and disagree with the others. But I think that a $30 upgrade isn't a big enough deal to really care. Yeah, Apple didn't completely refresh the OS, but they did add a lot of stuff to it. And at the end of the day, it's just $30, and where I live, that's two tickets to the movie theater. I feel like I got my moneys worth, but at the same time, I wish they added a lot more.

 

[LoganT]

Fail, epic fail, etc. I'd hate for any of you to be accused of hyperbole.

 

[Brammy]

Congratulations to them, I say! Great that they are able to stay up with new tech. This is as it should be - iOS for those types of devices. But leave the Standard OS for computing.

You can ignore Launchpad. How is that not "Standard OS?"

Also, Launchpad -- once this actually works -- helps new users delete programs. I can't imagine hunting through the Applications folder to delete apps is all that intuitive. Hell, half the time I can't be bothered.

 

[aristobrat]

Crimminy, all this talk about gestures, where the h*ll is some sort of reference or card to print out that tells you all of them.

FWIW, both System Preferences > Mouse and System Preference > Trackpad not only have a list of them all, they have little videos show you how to use them.

@artistobrat -this was a good NYTimes article I read that described more of the iOS ideas that have been adapted into Lion better than I ever could.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/21/t...ward-a-stumble-backward-state-of-the-art.html

For the iOS influence, Pogue mentions full-screen apps, auto-save, no files/folders/menu (not sure what he means by that, as I don't see that in Lion) and all of your apps in one place (LaunchPad). And touch-screen, which thankfully doesn't apply. Fair enough.

 

[relax11]

Apple's future is in the post PC mobile universe not the traditional computer. The iPod brought them back from the grave while the iPhone and iPad made them a genuine force. They are not going to beat Microsoft market share in traditional computing because of Microsoft's corporate muscle (& sad but carefully constructed alliances). However, they can rule the elegant but dumbed down iUniverse - which is exactly where Jobs is going.

OS X is done. Lion is the first step towards creating a truly closed, simplistic mobile format on all Apple devices. In 5 years, the MacBook Pro will be an iPad. Do not resist the flow of history.

 

[Celeron]

No more pinch to zoom in Finder.

Epic fail.

THANK GOD! I always had to turn this off to avoid accidentally resizing my Desktop icons. I had to use my wife's laptop today to set something up for her. She still has it turned on. I must have resized her Desktop icons at least 10 times. I'm glad to see this removed.

 

[^^BIGMac]

OSes

LOL

 

[pcmxa]

You can ignore Launchpad. How is that not "Standard OS?"

Also, Launchpad -- once this actually works -- helps new users delete programs. I can't imagine hunting through the Applications folder to delete apps is all that intuitive. Hell, half the time I can't be bothered.

How does it help delete programs? I can't seem to delete from launchpad.

 

[Reach9]

Really? Some of these points make no sense, and it seems like an excuse to bash the new OS.

Launchpad.. what is it? Another way to view your apps. Does it make sense to use the Application folder, Launchpad, and Spotlight? Nope. So Launchpad has replaced my Application folder, and is honestly much better.
Launchpad is just an alternative, if you don't want to use it, then don't. I don't understand the argument "why should i use Launchpad when i have the Application folder?" the same thing could be said about Spotlight right? "why should i use the Application folder when i can just Spotlight the app i'm looking for in just a few letters?"

Mission control is great, i don't know how many times i used to go into Expose in Snow Leopard and i had to look around for the window i wanted. I asked "if only there was a way to sort by apps" and Mission Control delivered.

Resume and Auto-save are god sent for anyone who deals with documents on the regular. I actually turn off my MacBook Pro now (which i should've been doing before) because i know that when i turn it back on, all my apps will be there just like how i left them. I killed my battery life by not turning off my Mac with Snow Leopard.

Gestures. They are new and hard to do. That's why there's BetterTouchTool. I have brought back the "Four finger swipe up to show desktop" and "Four finger swipe down for Expose (Mission control)" and a ton of other custom ones i made up.
Scrolling, that is up to personal preference. I hated the "natural" way, but after using it for a while i've gotten used to it.

Full-screen apps are god sent for my 13" MacBook Pro. I use it every time.

You guys can customize the OS to the way you want to use it, you don't have to use it just like how Apple sets it out to be in default. For example, i removed Launchpad and Mission control and they became accessible through finger gestures.
It's like complaining "why did Apple put iMovie on my dock by default? I never use it!", hope you're getting the point.

I'm not a fan, i just use common sense.

Did i expect a lot from Lion? Yes i did, and i was disappointed by what i got. However, i'm still very pleased with the OS.

 

[bushido]

each their own i guess ...

How does it help delete programs? I can't seem to delete from launchpad.

lol ... just click and hold over any icon and it starts to wiggle and u can delete it. no wonder so many people hate lion when they cant even use it right

 

[aristobrat]

How does it help delete programs? I can't seem to delete from launchpad.

LaunchPad only lets you delete programs installed via the App Store.

 

[*LTD*]

I think we need to realize the world Apple is in.

They are trying to tap a wider market, many of whom are not tech savvy.

If you think about it, Apple has *always* been about this.

 

[Kevenly]

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You're a paying customer and you have every right to be disappointed and voice your dissatisfaction, with no apologies.

As an Apple computer user, exclusively, for over 30 years, and always an avid supporter of the company until my satisfaction has waned the last two or three years, I am still baffled by the cronyism that manifests nowadays by these kids or whoever it is that thinks nobody is allowed to have a criticism, complaint, or to voice their concerns. These people are the true casualties of marketing.

To anyone in here down voting down everyone with an opinion that doesn't involve blind worship of a publicly traded corporation making record profits, it's time to evaluate the state of your mind. Think for yourself, not what Apple tells you.

 

[mcdj]

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You're a paying customer and you have every right to be disappointed and voice your dissatisfaction, with no apologies.

As an Apple computer user, exclusively, for over 30 years, and always an avid supporter of the company until my satisfaction has waned the last two or three years, I am still baffled by the cronyism that manifests nowadays by these kids or whoever it is that thinks nobody is allowed to have a criticism, complaint, or to voice their concerns. These people are the true casualties of marketing.

To anyone in here down voting down everyone with an opinion that doesn't involve blind worship of a publicly traded corporation making record profits, it's time to evaluate the state of your mind. Think for yourself, not what Apple tells you.

Please make this a sticky. Well said.