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Sorry, but Apple FAIL

aristobrat said:
LaunchPad only lets you delete programs installed via the App Store.
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Apple wants all software on the Mac to come through iTunes or Mac App Store in order to cut out a chunk of profit from each sale of it. It's a dream come true for them. Now they are discriminating against applications that they didn't get a cut for. They made the user's Library default to invisible as well. They are inching towards making Macs closed systems like the iDevices, where you don't own it - Apple does.

Also beware that removing something from the Launchpad removes it from your computer entirely, and any record of it in Time Machine.
 
I'm really liking it. No especially important functionality has been compromised, while aesthetically and practically I'm finding it a lot nicer to use.

I think it's natural that there will always be those who don't get on with a new OS, especially at first. No big deal, whatever floats your boat.

With that said, I do think it's a much bigger update than some are suggesting. I dare say that it 'feels' newer than Windows 7 did in comparison Vista. The big difference is that 7 was replacing a very bloated iteration, and really should have been released in its place three years prior.
 
Lion was a risky release in that it has the potential to be "Apple's Vista," in part because of the dropping of Rosetta (which operated so seamlessly to date), and the changing of all the multi-touch gestures. That said, I think it will be OK.

It's clear from last quarter's results that Apple sees its future in iOS. iOS devices already account for more revenue than OS X devices. Microsoft's vision with Windows 8 still relies on their notion that the desktop OS = the tablet OS, which has gone nowhere since they introduced the concept more than a decade ago. Apple looks to maintain separate OSes, but make the user experience similar.

Those brand new to Macs may have an easier time with Lion than long-time users of OS X, particularly because the original multi-touch gestures took some getting used to, and now Apple changed them again. This time, however, they "match" the iOS gestures more closely (though it isn't the same when not scrolling on a touchscreen).

As for built-in apps, I can take them or leave them. They aren't going to make or break an OS. The most important part is the user experience. On that, I think the Lion user experience will become more natural with time. Even a bad UI (e.g. Microsoft's Ribbon) becomes easier to use with time, but with Lion, I do see a logic to the changes.
 
Kevenly said:
Apple wants all software on the Mac to come through iTunes or Mac App Store in order to cut out a chunk of profit from each sale of it. It's a dream come true for them. Now they are discriminating against applications that they didn't get a cut for. They made the user's Library default to invisible as well. They are inching towards making Macs closed systems like the iDevices, where you don't own it - Apple does.

Also beware that removing something from the Launchpad removes it from your computer entirely, and any record of it in Time Machine.
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How is hiding the 'Library' folder making it harder for you to find applications that aren't on the Mac App Store? The only reason it's hidden is so a user doesn't go in there and delete something they shouldn't and break something.

You can make it visible if you want. :/



Hugh
 
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Kevenly said:
To anyone in here down voting down everyone with an opinion that doesn't involve blind worship of a publicly traded corporation making record profits, it's time to evaluate the state of your mind. Think for yourself, not what Apple tells you.
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To be balanced, I see it go the opposite way too – that any praise of Apple is forbidden because they're an evil user-hating company that cares for nothing but the almighty dollar.

It's one thing to complain when there's an actual issue – but tell me, other than Rosetta (and if you're still using Rosetta after five years of Intel-only Macs being shipped, that's your fault), what functionality does Apple actually remove?

Personally, I like Lion. Yes, it feels subjectively different, and yes, there are a number of iOS-inspired changes, but I said it before and I'll say it again – OS X has not magically turned into iOS X with the release of Lion. You can still use third-party applications with ease. You still have access (albeit through different means) to the Library and other deeper functions. Apple is looking towards getting the OS even further out of the way of people who do work – and yes, even with iOS elements you can still do work with OS X! – and that's a good thing.

Kevenly: How is making something the average computer user doesn't even know about anyway invisible making it a closed device that you don't own? Talk about FUD.
 
stuartmack1974 said:
Launchpad is pointless and there is so much duplication and lack of interaction with the dock. Its completely rigid in its ability to be customised and in my humble view is a complete waste of quite a nice gesture which could be used for something far more useful, even just to be able to go straight into finder.
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I initially felt the same way about Launchpad, but changed my mind after learning how to organize things in it. You can drag app icons on top of each other to create folders that you can name as you like (though the OS applies a default name that's usually makes sense). You also can reorder icons like on iPad.

Now that I know better how to use it, I greatly prefer Launchpad to Stacks (or whatever it was called).
 
Personally loving Lion. I just wish I could take the dock off completely and just use launch pad with the gesture. It would save some screen real estate on the smaller macbooks.
 
Lion is fantastic. Making a computer easier to use is NOT dumbing it down. It is simply removing barriers.

Engineering is still complex and always will be. This is what the REAL computer geeks are doing and will always do. Needing to learn several steps to do simple tasks and being some kind of "gatekeeper" will and SHOULD disappear. Computers should be as easy as cars to use in day to day use. creating them will always remain hard.

OSX is still powerful. If you want your computer experience to be difficult, learn to be an engineer and make something great.
 
I'll get used to Lion, and figure out how to make it the way I like in time..
I have struggled to like any new Mac OS since OS7 at first glance. It sounds like getting my first iPhone this February was a smart idea- or I would be totally lost in Lion lol.

But good on the company imo. Ten percent pc market share today, dominating all others in phone and pad sales; it is very wise for them to make computers attractive and not intimidating to the millions of buyers of iOS products whose home computers are outdated pcs running Windows at half speed or worse.. bringing them into OS X. By 2015 I project that more than 50% of new pc buyers will be buying Macs. Especially since most users' home application needs can be met by the OS and iLife without requiring added software replacement/investment. But devs better pony up some professional software quick or the office workstation class computer war remains lost.

Not a total fail, I'm sure. Check AAPL pps.;)
 
stuartmack1974 said:
Here's an idea - lets hope Apple delivers a software update next week which allows you to get rid of either the dock or the Launchpad, so at least one has some meaning and integrity!:eek:
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Get rid of Launchpad? I can help with that. Drag it off your taskbar. Done.

I'll expect a check in the mail.
 
Didn't go through all the pages, but I definitely agree with the OP, lion just isn't getting to me. I cannot understand all the praises for it, it is way overhyped. Just look at the reviews on the MAS, :confused:'

I tried the GM 2 weeks ago to see how it was, thank god for time machine, switched back to SL immediately. The influence of iOS on OS X may be great for users who just want an "easy" to use OS, but for those who really want to do work, the level of productivity falls very significantly. The old exposé and spaces were perfect just the way they were, helped with workflow, you could switch to any space or find a window you want immediately. Mission control? a hyrbid of both just for gimmicks. Grouping windows of the same applicaiton together, why should the user have to do an extra step when previously could be done in an instant? Not sure about you guys, but I usually have many windows open.

Full screen apps, this is great for laptop users with limited screen real estate, such as the 11" MBA. How about those who run dual monitors or have a 30"? Doesn't make sense. in full screen mode with 2 monitors, the other goes black. ??????

I think lion is the transition to a future to touch screen imacs, etc. Inverse "natural" scrolling, launchpad, neww gesture to show desktop, it makes sense if this is the direction apple wants to go. For now, it just doesn't cut it.

Staying with snow leopard.
 
stuartmack1974 said:
Mission control is messy, and appears to be a gimmick than serve any real purpose.

And as for thumb and four fingers to show the desktop, it just plain ludicrous.

Switching the scrolling was just pointless and only serves as a hindrance, it doesn't benefit the user experience.

a really confused OS
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Particularly agree on these points. I've reommended to several friends they don't bother updating to Lion (I got it by default on my new Air).
 
h00ligan said:
I am aware of various methods however it is one more step when trying to help a family member or colleague fix things.
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Yeah, you have to say, "open finder and type libr in the search bar, then click on the library folder.", instead of "open finder and click on your home folder and then click on library."
 
I have been impressed with Lion but I keep encountering things which have been removed which I didn't know about.

I often minimise a bunch of open windows and used to see these in expose or by clicking and holding on the dock icon. Not sure how I'm going to deal with this.

Full screen apps in their own space seemed like a good idea. I already used unique spaces for mail, iTunes and a couple of otherwindows but it was really annoying when other windows opened or jumped into the wrong space (not just Office apps btw) even though I'd set it up thoroughly. However, the mail-in-full-screen bubble was rudely burst when I was half way through writing an email and wanted to check something from a previous message (try this. There isn't even a save draft button). The iPad is a great device and simplicity is part of the appeal but to reduce desktop apps to the same level is going to be a total pain for some users. I guess I'll just keep mail in it's own space and hopefully Lion will be better than SL at keeping it there on it's own.

(This seems to be a trend for Apple. I love the new FCPX, even though I used FCP and FCE before. It will attract many more new users at the expense of a few power users. Is this what is happening with OS X?)

Back to my unexpected discoveries. Mail has a great new look but try reviewing the reply to a message in your inbox (by clicking on the curved arrow badge - it doesn't work). Obviously this would be incompatible with the flawed full screen model (unless a pop-up window was used) but why is the feature gone altogether? I hope it's a bug!

iTunes works well in full screen until you try to set multiple AirPlay speakers, which causes the (unchanged) speakers window to open on another desktop. I guess that could be useful for some, but surely some sort of safari-downloads-like popup window would have been more elegant.

Aperture full-screen is completely broken. I thought this was one of the apps optimised for Lion? Fine, I get it, full-screen is for iOS converts and many users (and anyone with a second display) will probably need to stick with normal spaces, but at least allow aperture to have the old full-screen functionality. In fact, if the new full-screen model is no use to these users, can't we have the old spaces model back?
 
stuartmack1974 said:
Forums are about opinions and these are just mine. I can't se any added value to Lion compared to Snow Leopard which was so easy to use and am completely unconvinced by it. It appears to me that the popularity of iOS has totally railroaded Apples thinking into believing that Mac users somehow would want this approach on their macs.

Launchpad is pointless and there is so much duplication and lack of interaction with the dock. Its completely rigid in its ability to be customised and in my humble view is a complete waste of quite a nice gesture which could be used for something far more useful, even just to be able to go straight into finder.

Mission control is messy, and appears to be a gimmick than serve any real purpose.

And why are the simple things missed by Apple. Safari ok is much improved but the switching pages with two finger swipe is not flawless, when you stretch your scree to a more suitable screen size on a website it reverts to the original size when you go back / forward a page. And as for thumb and four fingers to show the desktop, it just plain ludicrous.

Switching the scrolling was just pointless and only serves as a hindrance, it doesn't benefit the user experience.

Mail is better, but not as good as sparrow. Three finger tap for the dictionary is again a waste of a gesture.

I think a lot of apple fans are convincing themselves Lion is a win, when personally i think it represents a really confused OS, particularly compared to Snow Leopard which was so simple and functional use.

Slate me all you like, but sometimes us Apple fans have to front up and say ' you got it wrong'.

Disappointed Stu:(
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Hello

Totaly and utterly agree, Mac forums everywhere are running HOT with peoples issues and problems. This OS release is like a third party effort that is useless, it contains nothing I want and has taken away things that I used to use on a regular basis.

Apple without doubt got it badly wrong with Lion.

I hope we get an update pretty quick.
 
h00ligan said:
The hidden library is a massive **** up.
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Unless you work in support and users are trashing stuff they shouldn't. :cool:

Bear in mind that the vast majority of users don't know or care what the Library is, but it was staring them in the face whenever they opened their home folder. For those that need and understand what's in there, it's still easily accessible.
 
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Looks like after spending two days and two nights and some money found a solution for unmounted by Lion installation Macintosh HD. Those who interested pls write to e-mail
 
David Eggen said:
Looks like after spending two days and two nights and some money found a solution for unmounted by Lion installation Macintosh HD. Those who interested pls write to e-mail
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Do you mean returning it to the sidebar in Finder? If so, just drag the Macintosh HD from Desktop to the side bar. If not, pay no attention. For me, the HD is still mounted on desktop, the same as my other volumes.
 
Comment deleted, because it no longer represents my current view on subject.
 
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