I hope they do, I love that they have size and scale not to be bullied. I'd love to see them pull out or a country.
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South Korea Passes Bill Banning Apple From Requiring Developers to Use App Store In-App Purchase System
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Exactly.
People who keep saying "credit card companies only charge 3%... so why does Apple charge 30%?" don't understand what you get from Apple's fee.
Sure... developers could setup their own payment processing in their apps through Stripe or Square or PayPal... but all they would handle is the payment processing.
Apple's fee currently covers literally everything it takes to build an app and sell it in their store. And Apple is still gonna charge something for that in the end.
Be careful what you wish for. Apple could decide to charge $5,000/month to be listed in the App Store and $10,000/month for access to APIs and whatnot. Is that better? For Netflix and Spotify, maybe. But say goodbye to every small independent app developer (who make up 99% of developers in the App Store)
A flat-fee percentage per sale does make sense. Developers don't have to pay much to get started in the the App Store... and they only get charged after they make a sale.
Maybe we can discuss what the percentage should be if 15% or 30% is too high. But Apple should get something.
Otherwise Apple will start charging developers hosting fees, bandwidth fees, API fees, AI/ML fees, TestFlight fees, etc. And I'm not sure that will be a net win for most developers.
Actually incorrect, what’s stopping an app only accepting another pay system and not Apples? If an app you want uses a paywall you don’t want to use, you use it or never have the app.
I've found some people will argue fervently against their own interests in an attempt to bring Apple down a peg or two.
It's like anti-vaxxers sticking it to the government.
I am in Korea.
If you ever try to use any of those Korean payment methods, especially as a foreigner, you will understand how truly tedious it is.
Apple should take a stand in Korea, by banning all developers from operation under Korean Companies & rules. Any developers that want to continue selling their products through Apples Store should have to form a corporation in another jurisdiction, and operate their business from that jurisdiction. Otherwise lose the ability to have their products in Apples store. If I was the owner of a chain of stores, and the government came along and told me I had to carry producers products in my stores, but not make any money on the sales I would just remove those products from my store. And this also degrades the end users experience which is us. It is just a blatant profit grab by the producers.
It also effects Apple shareholders, the government is now taking money from Apple shareholders & giving it to the developers. An illegal transfer of wealth. This is wrong on so many fronts. I hope Apple takes a stand on this before it spreads to other countries. A perfect example of a government overstepping their authority and sticking their noses into businesses. Should never be allowed to happen.
It also effects Apple shareholders, the government is now taking money from Apple shareholders & giving it to the developers. An illegal transfer of wealth. This is wrong on so many fronts. I hope Apple takes a stand on this before it spreads to other countries. A perfect example of a government overstepping their authority and sticking their noses into businesses. Should never be allowed to happen.
google cloud services for AI/ML is pretty cheap tbh. if developers want to use AI and ML they can pay for it. and hosting/bandwidth, lol, come on, it's 2021, these are pennies
Sure... but it's also pennies for Apple to provide their all-in-one solution, too.
Imagine if small developers were required to set up and maintain their own hosting through Rackspace or AWS, and manage payments through Stripe or Square, and give money to Google for their Maps APIs, and the time it takes to maintain every separate little thing like that. Time is also money.
Suddenly... Apple's 15% doesn't sound so bad!
That way they will soon have to ban USA, whole EU, AU, UK and many more countries...
Where do you think Apple intent to sell their next iPhones? Tonga Bonga Island?
Apple better start developing for offering sideloading, alternative payment and open NFC, the deadline will be tight.
$99/year is almost free compared to the revenues a large company like Epic is making.
If they do that, Apple will face anti-trust from EU, USA, and other countries. Since Apple vs Epic is still going on, it's just gonna give more advantages for Epic.
App store will always have scams as its simply so big, however, 64 billion dollars a year is buisness
It should have lower fees, a few trustable payment systems, and more employees checking the app store for anything wrong with certain apps then the App store will be great
I don't like this idea one bit... they should've instead forced Apple to allow installation of apps and other stores from outside of the App Store.
All this will do is give developers a free ride on the App Store, sideloading would've forced Apple to actually compete instead of just using their position as market leader to set the fees for the entire market.
All this will do is give developers a free ride on the App Store, sideloading would've forced Apple to actually compete instead of just using their position as market leader to set the fees for the entire market.
The US already has a bill very similar to the one that South Korea just passed.
http://govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/s2710
That $99/year is not a per-app fee, that's for being in the developer program. Expect that if governments require other payment systems, and lots of developers move to supporting only those systems and not Apple Pay, the membership cost for the developer program will go up, and there will be substantial fees for putting an app in the store. Apple's not going to run the App Store as a charity. I think allowing other IAP mechanisms is reasonable, but I expect Apple will insist that Apple Pay also be offered, and I know a lot of iPhone users who would rather pay through Apple than entering credit card details or other payment credentials into every app they download.
A bloody pity IMO. Fortunately I am old enough that I will not need any iOS programs that are outside of my current range with the possible exception of medical apps.
What I'll look for in the near future are 2 changes:
1. Apple will shift some of their Korean component production to other countries more friendly to Apple.
and:
2. Smart developers will make notations for potential customers that they are staying in Apple's Protective Payment System. Probably the same with existing customers. That tells me that I'll stay as safe as before.
What I'll look for in the near future are 2 changes:
1. Apple will shift some of their Korean component production to other countries more friendly to Apple.
and:
2. Smart developers will make notations for potential customers that they are staying in Apple's Protective Payment System. Probably the same with existing customers. That tells me that I'll stay as safe as before.
China is a communist and ruled under dictatorship. It's not a good comparison.
Competition between Apple and Google? That's why Epic sue Apple. We'll see how it goes because depends on the result, Apple might need to ditch their policy.
They're not the top dog, though, especially in South Korea - I hear the marketshare there is 71% Android, 28% iOS.
this answer needs to be at the top of the thread. It is so important to understand what is included in the payments. I really don't want to know what "Support for the App Store" actually costs.