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Spaces in Lion
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Does OS X Lion allow disabling of Dashboard (completely)? I always use the terminal command:
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defaults write com.apple.dashboard mcx-disabled -boolean YES
If disabled, does mission control still display the dashboard screen? If not, how is expose displayed within ONE single space (I dont use spaces). Does it still display the top bar with thumbnailed screens?
I like expose the way it is; unobstructed displaying open windows using the entire screen via top right corner hot spot. I don't want to see dashboard or other spaces thumbnails.
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defaults write com.apple.dashboard mcx-disabled -boolean YES
If disabled, does mission control still display the dashboard screen? If not, how is expose displayed within ONE single space (I dont use spaces). Does it still display the top bar with thumbnailed screens?
I like expose the way it is; unobstructed displaying open windows using the entire screen via top right corner hot spot. I don't want to see dashboard or other spaces thumbnails.
Spaces have moved... sort of...
So I found where spaces have gone... If you use the help it goes to mission control with the missing tab. Though if you activate Mission Control (3/4 finger swipe on the magic pad) then drag the item to the upper right or left there will be a shadow box with an arrow that will create the space..
I still cannot find the arrangement though.. grr...
So I found where spaces have gone... If you use the help it goes to mission control with the missing tab. Though if you activate Mission Control (3/4 finger swipe on the magic pad) then drag the item to the upper right or left there will be a shadow box with an arrow that will create the space..
I still cannot find the arrangement though.. grr...
This and "All Application Windows" has been removed makes mission control a huge step backwards imo
The Spaces tab is gone as it was just the remains of the old Spaces tab from Snow Leopard. The new Mission Control doesn't allow you to use a grid, so all you can do is create/delete spaces, therefore it doesn't require its own tab. Instead, they put a "+" button in Mission Control at the top right and you can add and remove, and reorder spaces right from Mission Control. I think that makes more sense than having to go to System Prefs and have to set it there all the time.
Yes it is the same, but.... the "Switch to Space #" does not show up until the process I mentioned previously has been executed.
*Note- my install was fresh and not an upgrade. This included the barrage of 3 updates that took place.
They have just tweeted that they can and will not continue hyperspaces when Lion is released. It is not going to be compatible.
System Preferences, Keyboard -> Keyboard Shortcuts. Choose Mission Control on the left.
I would not hold your breath for apple to change spaces back. Had the same problem with the new version expose on 10.6. Useless compared to 10.5 for me.
If you can find an old build of Lion without mission control (if it exists) you could swap Dock.app into the current version of Lion and regain spaces.
If you can find an old build of Lion without mission control (if it exists) you could swap Dock.app into the current version of Lion and regain spaces.
They have just tweeted that they can and will not continue hyperspaces when Lion is released. It is not going to be compatible.
I understand that they can't continue it, since it's not a full virtual desktop - it just works with Spaces. I was hoping they might step up and write a full virtual desktop replacement, but I guess not
Anyone who's running Lion dev: Can you get to Mission Control with a function key? If so, I might still be able to use it somewhat the same as I have it now...just without true "random access" to all 9 spaces I use currently.
I understand that they can't continue it, since it's not a full virtual desktop - it just works with Spaces. I was hoping they might step up and write a full virtual desktop replacement, but I guess not
Anyone who's running Lion dev: Can you get to Mission Control with a function key? If so, I might still be able to use it somewhat the same as I have it now...just without true "random access" to all 9 spaces I use currently.
Yes, you can use F3 by default but you can also assign another one.
Danke sehr
I'm suddenly not so opposed to getting Lion on day 1. I still hate that they destroyed the current functionality of Spaces, but I really like a lot of features in Lion...
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Welcome. I just happened to recognize it
I totally agree with you guys! Expose and Spaces must maintain all of their previous functionality. I also like Mission Control, because it's more app focused, so it's a whole new way of thinking and organizing your workflow. I just wonder... can't Apple give us both?
I also noticed that there is a spaces.app and an expose.app in SL. Can't we use these apps in Lion? Actually I'm gonna find it out...
Is there an old preview of Lion that has a fully functional spaces - expose?
I also noticed that there is a spaces.app and an expose.app in SL. Can't we use these apps in Lion? Actually I'm gonna find it out...
Is there an old preview of Lion that has a fully functional spaces - expose?
There are a lot of really great features in 10.7 but I don't like the work flow of Mission Control as compared to 10.5 Expose/Spaces.
Isn't there a way for a developer to create their own version of Spaces and Expose? They have Expose clones for Windows and Linux, why not make an Expose clone for OSX and provide a 10.5 Expose and Spaces experience for 10.7?
I would probably pay ~ $30 to be able to take full advantage of Lion and still retain 10.5 Expose. I'm sure others would too.
Isn't there a way for a developer to create their own version of Spaces and Expose? They have Expose clones for Windows and Linux, why not make an Expose clone for OSX and provide a 10.5 Expose and Spaces experience for 10.7?
I would probably pay ~ $30 to be able to take full advantage of Lion and still retain 10.5 Expose. I'm sure others would too.
Spaces - still working (window drag, Cntrl >)
Good news - Dragging a window into another space still works. Still requires two hands - a click/hold on the window task bar, and a keyboard space switch. A post a few pages back stated that was not possible with dp3, however it works in dp4.
(Easiest if Control+Arrow is set to change space).
You can also drag/drop windows from mission control (f8 or f1)
I had to actually open this up before it worked (although settings were correct)
Just like firen's post - but in English :
Good news - Dragging a window into another space still works. Still requires two hands - a click/hold on the window task bar, and a keyboard space switch. A post a few pages back stated that was not possible with dp3, however it works in dp4.
(Easiest if Control+Arrow is set to change space).
You can also drag/drop windows from mission control (f8 or f1)
I had to actually open this up before it worked (although settings were correct)
Just like firen's post - but in English :
Question:
I've figured out how to assign applications to their own specific space (and make them stick after logout/restart.) Just go to the Dock, right click on application, options, then assign to a space. Good.
However, whenever I enter full-screen view (say, in Safari) it moves the window out to the side in its own box and does not keep it in the assigned space. What's up with that? Anyone else experience this? It's pretty frustrating. I want the app I assign to a space to keep all its functions and open Windows and all that stuff in its assigned space - whether normal size or full-screen. That's kinda the whole point of being able to assign a space to an app.
Note that if I do expose on the space, it will show me both the normal view Window and the full-screen view Windows. Good. But if I select the full-screen view Window it takes me to its own self-created space off to the side. Bad.
Any ideas?
I've figured out how to assign applications to their own specific space (and make them stick after logout/restart.) Just go to the Dock, right click on application, options, then assign to a space. Good.
However, whenever I enter full-screen view (say, in Safari) it moves the window out to the side in its own box and does not keep it in the assigned space. What's up with that? Anyone else experience this? It's pretty frustrating. I want the app I assign to a space to keep all its functions and open Windows and all that stuff in its assigned space - whether normal size or full-screen. That's kinda the whole point of being able to assign a space to an app.
Note that if I do expose on the space, it will show me both the normal view Window and the full-screen view Windows. Good. But if I select the full-screen view Window it takes me to its own self-created space off to the side. Bad.
Any ideas?
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Still gone in Developer Preview 4....
And on another note: They removed tap & hold too
You can restore tap-to-click drag lock under Universal Access> Mouse & Trackpad> Trackpad Options.
Ok I think I've figured it out.
I'm using it wrong. I'm still thinking in terms of how things worked in SL.
According to this video here . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG9l1l2cZ-E&feature=related
There's really no need to assign apps to a space. In fact, doing so seems to defeat the purpose of Mission Control. Mission Control already groups all of your windows together, and these groups are separated by app. So in effect, each app does have its own space in Mission Control, but when you're not in Mission Control it's all jumbled in one Window. I'm not sure if I like this behaviour. However, if I want to focus on an app I can go full-screen with it and it'll set it off to the side, sort of in a "focus area." Now *that* I can understand.
Of course, if you go full screen with multiple windows of the same app, these windows will be shown separately in this "focus area."
In light of all this I'm not sure what the point is of assigning anything to its own desktop. Unless you are on that app's assigned desktop, Mission Control won't expose any of it in the usual manner.
Do note that in terms of focus, if you have multiple windows open for the same app and you do an expose, then all you'll get is an expose of just those windows. That's a nice touch.
No wonder Apple made it a little more difficult to assign apps to desktops. It seems Apple is encouraging users to do everything on the same desktop and allow Mission Control to handle the grouping/organizing when you need it. And if you need to focus on something without any app jumble peeking out behind it, then go full screen and you can access that window on the side.
If you want to maintain focus on a particular app window - you're working on a paper, etc. - and you don't want to go full-screen and refer to the "focus area", then you can simply enlarge the window. You can do it the Apple way (I admit, not the greatest in this case) or use a utility like Right Zoom: http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/30591/right-zoom
So . . . unless you work with an app for which you open a lot of windows (i.e., multiple Pages documents at a time, multiple Safari windows, etc.) then it isn't really worth it to use multiple desktops.
So I kind of get it now. I'll use it the "intended" way for a while and see how things pan out.
I'm using it wrong. I'm still thinking in terms of how things worked in SL.
According to this video here . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG9l1l2cZ-E&feature=related
There's really no need to assign apps to a space. In fact, doing so seems to defeat the purpose of Mission Control. Mission Control already groups all of your windows together, and these groups are separated by app. So in effect, each app does have its own space in Mission Control, but when you're not in Mission Control it's all jumbled in one Window. I'm not sure if I like this behaviour. However, if I want to focus on an app I can go full-screen with it and it'll set it off to the side, sort of in a "focus area." Now *that* I can understand.
Of course, if you go full screen with multiple windows of the same app, these windows will be shown separately in this "focus area."
In light of all this I'm not sure what the point is of assigning anything to its own desktop. Unless you are on that app's assigned desktop, Mission Control won't expose any of it in the usual manner.
Do note that in terms of focus, if you have multiple windows open for the same app and you do an expose, then all you'll get is an expose of just those windows. That's a nice touch.
No wonder Apple made it a little more difficult to assign apps to desktops. It seems Apple is encouraging users to do everything on the same desktop and allow Mission Control to handle the grouping/organizing when you need it. And if you need to focus on something without any app jumble peeking out behind it, then go full screen and you can access that window on the side.
If you want to maintain focus on a particular app window - you're working on a paper, etc. - and you don't want to go full-screen and refer to the "focus area", then you can simply enlarge the window. You can do it the Apple way (I admit, not the greatest in this case) or use a utility like Right Zoom: http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/30591/right-zoom
So . . . unless you work with an app for which you open a lot of windows (i.e., multiple Pages documents at a time, multiple Safari windows, etc.) then it isn't really worth it to use multiple desktops.
So I kind of get it now. I'll use it the "intended" way for a while and see how things pan out.
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Not sure I want to have all my windows in the same Space. That would suck as I constantly have Photoshop and Flash open, and I don't want them to be in the same Space as Safari, Skype, Adium, Mail, iTunes and Finder. That would be a total mess! I need a separate Space for Photoshop, a separate one for Flash, a separate one for iTunes and one for mostly everything else, as I don't use them at the same time. I don't want to have Photoshop behind my windows all the time, that would be stupid.
You can certainly assign apps and their own windows to a particular space. That functionality is still there, and can now be accessed by clicking the app's icon in the Dock. But if you go full screen on any of those windows, those windows will get moved off to the side. Full screen windows are treated as separate and special. At least this is how it works in DP4.
is the grid functionality still not availiable? It's such an important, useful feature of the OS!